Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-09 Thread Jon Stevens
on 7/6/01 9:53 PM, Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would sure be nice to have a little HOWTO on what tags (like document and section) Anakia recognizes, and what they do :-). Anakia recognizes *any* tags. It is the Jakarta-Site2 module's stylesheet which is the key. Needless

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-08 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 05:11:04PM -0700, Pier Fumagalli wrote: Quoting Aaron Bannert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: d) jakarta-tomcat-connectors (* Pier is working on this, I've submitted Hold it... Pier is working on the new build for the WebApp Module, and the documentation related to it... I

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-07 Thread guru
On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 10:06:21PM -0700, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: * Docs should live in the source tree of the project that they are about. Although Henri's suggestion for jakarta-tomcat-docs is noble, what you'll find in practice is that there is very little documentation that is

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-07 Thread Rob S.
Providing Tomcat documentation in a WAR file is a little like providing a VHS tape on how to setup your VCR. It may seem really elegant to have on-the-fly style-generating documentation, and I may be alone on this, but I think that the majority of the user-oriented documentation should just

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-07 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 09:25:46AM -0700, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Yes, we obviously need pointers in a top-level README on where the docs went. I'm willing to collaborate on these types of docs. On a slight tangent, I'd like to point out that we could use more STATUS and README documents,

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-07 Thread Pier Fumagalli
Quoting Aaron Bannert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: d) jakarta-tomcat-connectors (* Pier is working on this, I've submitted Hold it... Pier is working on the new build for the WebApp Module, and the documentation related to it... I never said I'm going to take care of the documentation of all

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-06 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 10:06:21PM -0700, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: * Tomcat docs for a particular version should be delivered as one or more web apps (not necessarily the root webapp as is current practice). That way, the corresponding WAR files could be dropped into *any* container,

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread Christopher Cain
Jon Stevens wrote: on 7/2/01 6:04 PM, Christopher Cain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no interest in Anakia, and quite frankly, as has been pointed out very astutely by Costin, I have no interest in bothering with XML for the purposes of documentation. I will produce HTML docs

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project :WAS:[TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread Jon Stevens
on 7/3/01 11:50 AM, Christopher Cain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more (most) people have to try and learn an extensive DTD or templating system, the less likely they are to bother. I agree. That is why I came up with Anakia. It is brain dead simple to use and runs extremely quickly. The DTD

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project :WAS:[TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread Christopher Cain
Jon Stevens wrote: on 7/3/01 11:50 AM, Christopher Cain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more (most) people have to try and learn an extensive DTD or templating system, the less likely they are to bother. I agree. That is why I came up with Anakia. It is brain dead simple to use and

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread cmanolache
On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Rob S. wrote: 1) People don't like to write docs, and for an open-source project, I'd say that's perfectly cool so long as those same people are willing to have a read through the docs after a major update to make sure they're coherent ;) For ours especially, to author

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Rob S.
I'm not sure I understand that. There are plenty of HTML editors, and 99% of the people on this list know a bit of html. Nobody asked for good looking documentation or cool formats, the content is missing. Agreed, but using Note/Text/Whatever/Pad is what the majority of people end up using

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread GOMEZ Henri
If we can't get people to write documentation in HTML using any of the existing editors, I guess it'll be much harder to ask them to learn a XML DTD ( especially since the dtd is used only in apache, while the rest of the world is using the docbook ). And of course, force them to use notepad

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Brad Cox
At 10:09 AM -0400 7/2/01, Rob S. wrote: 1) Developers don't write them in lieu of coding. 2) Users don't read them 3...) ? http://www.c2.com/cgi-bin/wiki has a novel way of getting at the problem. Not a panacea obviously, but what is? The one at that address is perl-based; I can provide a

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega
We should try to hire some XML/XSL writers which could send us skeleton XML and XSL ?) Look a everyother project ( almost ) in Jakarta, a quick peek will give a brief of what is doing people , and almost everybody is documenting projects in xml.., doing the processing in a mix of

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Jon Stevens
The Tomcat website is already generated with Anakia. It is trivial to add more .xml files to the site and there is absolutely no excuse to not just go that route. I just don't see the merits of this discussion. Go write documentation instead. -jon

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Jon Stevens
on 7/2/01 6:04 PM, Christopher Cain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no interest in Anakia, and quite frankly, as has been pointed out very astutely by Costin, I have no interest in bothering with XML for the purposes of documentation. I will produce HTML docs with my favorite editor and

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project :WAS:[TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Jon Stevens
on 7/2/01 6:22 PM, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was also wondering if it would be possible to add support for new tags. For example, tags to make it easier to write changelogs, status pages, news pages ... Remy Of course.

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Rob S.
We've started writing some new docs in XML (catalina/docs/dev/xdocs). The HTML generation is done with XSL, but the DTD should be the same as the one used by Anakia. I noticed the xdocs directory, but I didn't see anything in there. I sent Craig an email about it a week ago, but haven't

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Remy Maucherat
We've started writing some new docs in XML (catalina/docs/dev/xdocs). The HTML generation is done with XSL, but the DTD should be the same as the one used by Anakia. I noticed the xdocs directory, but I didn't see anything in there. I sent Craig an email about it a week ago, but

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Pier P. Fumagalli
Rob S. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems to be one of the questions that comes up and never gets answered (re: docs, not Jon's behavior ;) I'm not sure what magical solution will get people to read docs. Frankly, I'd just like to get started. Anakia works for Jakarta, it works for

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project :WAS:[TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Pier P. Fumagalli
Rob S. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed the xdocs directory, but I didn't see anything in there. I sent Craig an email about it a week ago, but haven't heard back from him. Am I doing something wrong? (re: CVS, not emailing Craig =) Hmm... Craig didn't answer since he's on vacation

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Jon Stevens
on 7/2/01 6:45 PM, Pier P. Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anakia has been proven to be a good option when it came down to the problem of building our website, and thank god that Jon made it... And so, by big +1 on using Anakia for our docs... (And if something gets out in the future

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Pier P. Fumagalli
Jon Stevens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 on both points. Anakia isn't gods solution yet, but it does the job just fine for about 10 different Jakarta projects and like Pier says...if someone comes up with a better solution tomorrow, it is easy to switch to it. That's why I _love_ XML so

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocu mentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-06-29 Thread Pier P. Fumagalli
GOMEZ Henri at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea, We could have a tomcat-doc mailing-list, but we'll still need to commit the material. I'd rather keep the documentation together with the project. When I (don't :) write the docs, I don't want to update two CVSes, we can give access to