Re: Re: Minimal HOWTO for jk2 2.0.4 - Was: [Fwd: Releasing JK 2.0.4]
First let me say sorry for lurking and responding to this message 5 days late. I think your suggestions are very good. I also recently went through hell trying to get mod_jk2 setup in IIS then Apache and have some suggestions for the docs. Is there anyway we can setup a WIKI for mod_jk2, that way people who have suggestions for documentation can just add it? Do WIKIs exist in the ASF? Tim - Original Message - From: Daniel Savard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Re: Minimal HOWTO for jk2 2.0.4 - Was: [Fwd: Releasing JK 2.0.4] --- Guenter Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: other content deleted I would like to see some feedback from those admins who have to install the connectors what they would prefer. A quick start covering: - What to download - What to compile - Compatible Apache versions - Which folder to copy files into - What entries does Apache expect - What workers and MPM are and how we can configure them thanks, Guenter. -- Sriram Well, given my recent trauma, oups experience, setting up mod_jk2, may I suggest a few things? - A working configure script. Let me explain what I expect from a configure script. It should check all requirements are met including proper versions and not require more than necessary (for example, if Berkley BD version 2.5 and up is fine, do not insist on version 4.0 because it may have some cascading effect on my system and if not necessary, why should someone insist I upgrade 50% of the packages on the system?) - Working Makefiles. This is a side effect of a working configure script. Given proper checking and identification of the system, the proper Makefiles should be build. This include the appropriate list of libraries I should link to in order to have working modules. To make things clear, I should never get undefined symbols at runtime because the Makefile never specified a complete list of libraries required to resolve all the symbols in my module and the module has no hint on where it should look for the undefined symbols to get them resolved. The sysadmin is not supposed to be a developper (even if it happens it's not always true) and don't expect him to manually edit the Makefile to make it working with his system. If the configure cannot find the libraries, it means they are not installed or the user didn't specified the correct options to configure (library paths, if any) and it should be catch at the configure step, not at runtime. - A comprehensive guide of the configuration options (properties), not necessarily something lengthy, but enough to figure out what is the purpose of each configuration option and how it is used. - Don't make any RPMS available if it is not possible to guarantee they will provide a working system. Instead, with limited man-power and time, I think it will be a better move to invest in a clean, documented, straight forward building process with consistent results. This should reduce drastically the number of redundant questions on the Tomcat-user mailing list (including mines). -- === Daniel Savard Consultation Informatique Daniel Savard 551, boul. Sir-Wilfrid-Laurier suite 105 Beloeil, (Québec) Canada J3G 4J1 Tél: (450) 467-8014 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal HOWTO for jk2 2.0.4 - Was: [Fwd: Releasing JK 2.0.4]
The faq uses the wiki for some stuff. Feel free to add content there. http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/faq/ -Tim Tim Stewart wrote: First let me say sorry for lurking and responding to this message 5 days late. I think your suggestions are very good. I also recently went through hell trying to get mod_jk2 setup in IIS then Apache and have some suggestions for the docs. Is there anyway we can setup a WIKI for mod_jk2, that way people who have suggestions for documentation can just add it? Do WIKIs exist in the ASF? Tim - Original Message - From: Daniel Savard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Re: Minimal HOWTO for jk2 2.0.4 - Was: [Fwd: Releasing JK 2.0.4] --- Guenter Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: other content deleted I would like to see some feedback from those admins who have to install the connectors what they would prefer. A quick start covering: - What to download - What to compile - Compatible Apache versions - Which folder to copy files into - What entries does Apache expect - What workers and MPM are and how we can configure them thanks, Guenter. -- Sriram Well, given my recent trauma, oups experience, setting up mod_jk2, may I suggest a few things? - A working configure script. Let me explain what I expect from a configure script. It should check all requirements are met including proper versions and not require more than necessary (for example, if Berkley BD version 2.5 and up is fine, do not insist on version 4.0 because it may have some cascading effect on my system and if not necessary, why should someone insist I upgrade 50% of the packages on the system?) - Working Makefiles. This is a side effect of a working configure script. Given proper checking and identification of the system, the proper Makefiles should be build. This include the appropriate list of libraries I should link to in order to have working modules. To make things clear, I should never get undefined symbols at runtime because the Makefile never specified a complete list of libraries required to resolve all the symbols in my module and the module has no hint on where it should look for the undefined symbols to get them resolved. The sysadmin is not supposed to be a developper (even if it happens it's not always true) and don't expect him to manually edit the Makefile to make it working with his system. If the configure cannot find the libraries, it means they are not installed or the user didn't specified the correct options to configure (library paths, if any) and it should be catch at the configure step, not at runtime. - A comprehensive guide of the configuration options (properties), not necessarily something lengthy, but enough to figure out what is the purpose of each configuration option and how it is used. - Don't make any RPMS available if it is not possible to guarantee they will provide a working system. Instead, with limited man-power and time, I think it will be a better move to invest in a clean, documented, straight forward building process with consistent results. This should reduce drastically the number of redundant questions on the Tomcat-user mailing list (including mines). -- === Daniel Savard Consultation Informatique Daniel Savard 551, boul. Sir-Wilfrid-Laurier suite 105 Beloeil, (Québec) Canada J3G 4J1 Tél: (450) 467-8014 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Minimal HOWTO for jk2 2.0.4 - Was: [Fwd: Releasing JK 2.0.4]
--- Guenter Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: other content deleted I would like to see some feedback from those admins who have to install the connectors what they would prefer. A quick start covering: - What to download - What to compile - Compatible Apache versions - Which folder to copy files into - What entries does Apache expect - What workers and MPM are and how we can configure them thanks, Guenter. -- Sriram Well, given my recent trauma, oups experience, setting up mod_jk2, may I suggest a few things? - A working configure script. Let me explain what I expect from a configure script. It should check all requirements are met including proper versions and not require more than necessary (for example, if Berkley BD version 2.5 and up is fine, do not insist on version 4.0 because it may have some cascading effect on my system and if not necessary, why should someone insist I upgrade 50% of the packages on the system?) - Working Makefiles. This is a side effect of a working configure script. Given proper checking and identification of the system, the proper Makefiles should be build. This include the appropriate list of libraries I should link to in order to have working modules. To make things clear, I should never get undefined symbols at runtime because the Makefile never specified a complete list of libraries required to resolve all the symbols in my module and the module has no hint on where it should look for the undefined symbols to get them resolved. The sysadmin is not supposed to be a developper (even if it happens it's not always true) and don't expect him to manually edit the Makefile to make it working with his system. If the configure cannot find the libraries, it means they are not installed or the user didn't specified the correct options to configure (library paths, if any) and it should be catch at the configure step, not at runtime. - A comprehensive guide of the configuration options (properties), not necessarily something lengthy, but enough to figure out what is the purpose of each configuration option and how it is used. - Don't make any RPMS available if it is not possible to guarantee they will provide a working system. Instead, with limited man-power and time, I think it will be a better move to invest in a clean, documented, straight forward building process with consistent results. This should reduce drastically the number of redundant questions on the Tomcat-user mailing list (including mines). -- === Daniel Savard Consultation Informatique Daniel Savard 551, boul. Sir-Wilfrid-Laurier suite 105 Beloeil, (Québec) Canada J3G 4J1 Tél: (450) 467-8014 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Minimal HOWTO for jk2 2.0.4 - Was: [Fwd: Releasing JK 2.0.4]
Hi to all, Did some of you, JFC, Mladen, Guenter, Kurt, Norm could works on a little HOWTO (text based will be suffisant) for jk2, explaining how to set up jk2 in IIS and Apache 2 web-servers ? It could be added to the release and will help remove tons of questions from tomcat-users :) Volunteers welcome (I can't work on it right now) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Minimal HOWTO for jk2 2.0.4 - Was: [Fwd: Releasing JK 2.0.4]
-Original Message- From: Henri Gomez Did some of you, JFC, Mladen, Guenter, Kurt, Norm could works on a little HOWTO (text based will be suffisant) for jk2, explaining how to set up jk2 in IIS and Apache 2 web-servers ? It could be added to the release and will help remove tons of questions from tomcat-users :) Just commited INSTALL.txt I'll add quick IIS howto. Can we update the CHANGES too? MT. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal HOWTO for jk2 2.0.4 - Was: [Fwd: Releasing JK 2.0.4]
Mladen Turk wrote: -Original Message- From: Henri Gomez Did some of you, JFC, Mladen, Guenter, Kurt, Norm could works on a little HOWTO (text based will be suffisant) for jk2, explaining how to set up jk2 in IIS and Apache 2 web-servers ? It could be added to the release and will help remove tons of questions from tomcat-users :) Just commited INSTALL.txt I'll add quick IIS howto. Can we update the CHANGES too? Of course :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal HOWTO for jk2 2.0.4 - Was: [Fwd: Releasing JK 2.0.4]
Hi all, probably now I get the -1's back, but nevertheless I'll give it a try...! Did some of you, JFC, Mladen, Guenter, Kurt, Norm could works on a little HOWTO (text based will be suffisant) for jk2, explaining how to set up jk2 in IIS and Apache 2 web-servers ? It could be added to the release and will help remove tons of questions from tomcat-users :) Volunteers welcome (I can't work on it right now) hmm, I think Norm has already offered that he's more than willing to improve the Apache2 docu; and in addition he has already put together such an document in html for NetWare, and I modified it slighty for Win32 (I linked to recently). But since we have to deal with a lot of terms which are almost not or insuffient explained, I think we should all here put the heads together, specially also those which have started with the initial mod_jk2 project, so that we can find proper descriptions of all those terms which also f.e. appear on the jkstatus pages. While I digged last time through BugZilla, I also have read a bunch of cvs commit logs to understand why what was changed, changed then back and so on; and I got the strong feeling that even those who have commited the changes often only did what users requested, but didnt know for sure what's right and what's wrong behaviour. What I have heard a lot is 'read the code', but that isnt allways the best answer, its useless to read the code and understand what's going on unless you know from a docu what's right and what's wrong behaviour; we all should know what the module _should_ do before we try to archive that. I've forwarded a html document to Henri and Mladen which Norm has created, and we all are not able to answer the questions fully and decribe what the terms really mean. Norm will be online in about 1 hour (Australia), and I hope he agrees that we make his document here available It would be very great if all here familar with the connector stuff could clarify this, so that we have a good starting point for any further documentation. I believe that we in one day could put all info together if everyone reads this document with the terms in question, and posts what he thinks is the best description; and also I would like to get replies from all other non-commiters here if that what we put together is understandable at all. something other we should perhaps also discuss is the format of the docu. I think that it is most likely that someone who installs a web connector has also a web browser; and therefore I'm +1 for a html document; however everyone has certainly a text editor, and IIRC Henri and Mladen are +1 for plain text. Since it doesnt matter what we use, I would like to see some feedback from those admins who have to install the connectors what they would prefer. thanks, Guenter. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal HOWTO for jk2 2.0.4 - Was: [Fwd: Releasing JK 2.0.4]
--- Guenter Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: other content deleted I would like to see some feedback from those admins who have to install the connectors what they would prefer. A quick start covering: - What to download - What to compile - Compatible Apache versions - Which folder to copy files into - What entries does Apache expect - What workers and MPM are and how we can configure them thanks, Guenter. -- Sriram __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
