RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies
Hi, >AFAIK you can subscribe people to the deny list as moderator by >sending a mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] You must >use your moderator's address when you do that. Hmm, I've tried that without success in the past and was told to contact apmail (which I did, and they took care of it). Maybe I can try again now. Thanks, Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies
> -Original Message- > From: Shapira, Yoav > >I know it would require lot of work to implement that, but > IMO it will > stop > >the auto subscribe programs. > > It will stop the auto-subscribe programs, but at too great an > infrastructure cost I think. Anyways, it's not my call: you > can send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or > [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'm not sure which is more appropriate, > with this idea to see what they'd say. > Didn't meant to stop the auto-subscription until some 'black-list marked account' mechanism is in place. As you said it would require tremendous involvement from your side. I'll try to articulate my thoughts an post them to above lists. MT. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies
On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Yoav Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yup, and ezmlm supports this via a deny list functionality. > However, this feature is not available to list moderators such as > myself under the current setup and must be requested from the > general mail administrator. AFAIK you can subscribe people to the deny list as moderator by sending a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You must use your moderator's address when you do that. It doesn't work with wildcards, of course. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies
Hi, >Don't know if that would solve the amount of fake list subscription, but >perhaps the mechanism like one on bugzilla (for creating accounts) would >help. >I know it would require lot of work to implement that, but IMO it will stop >the auto subscribe programs. It will stop the auto-subscribe programs, but at too great an infrastructure cost I think. Anyways, it's not my call: you can send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'm not sure which is more appropriate, with this idea to see what they'd say. >The other solution would be to make a 'black-list' for certain subscribers. >Take a look for a radgametools.com for example. Seems they have auto >subscriber, so who will loose the temper you or a computer program? >For such users we can make a 'black-list' that will need list moderator >subscribe approval, if the program tries to subscribe again once moved to >'black-list'. >In such cases you (as a list moderator) will be able to exchange few emails >making sure that the subscriber understands the rules implied. Yup, and ezmlm supports this via a deny list functionality. However, this feature is not available to list moderators such as myself under the current setup and must be requested from the general mail administrator. Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies
> -Original Message- > From: Shapira, Yoav > Subject: RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies > > > Hi, > I don't know, I've forwarded your filtering suggestion to the > general Apache mail admin. > One other thing. Don't know if that would solve the amount of fake list subscription, but perhaps the mechanism like one on bugzilla (for creating accounts) would help. I know it would require lot of work to implement that, but IMO it will stop the auto subscribe programs. The other solution would be to make a 'black-list' for certain subscribers. Take a look for a radgametools.com for example. Seems they have auto subscriber, so who will loose the temper you or a computer program? For such users we can make a 'black-list' that will need list moderator subscribe approval, if the program tries to subscribe again once moved to 'black-list'. In such cases you (as a list moderator) will be able to exchange few emails making sure that the subscriber understands the rules implied. MT. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies
Hi, I don't know, I've forwarded your filtering suggestion to the general Apache mail admin. Yoav Shapira Millennium ChemInformatics >-Original Message- >From: Mladen Turk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:22 AM >To: 'Tomcat Developers List' >Subject: RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: George Sexton >> Subject: RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies >> >> I think a bigger issue is why is the list software forwarding these? >> >> I have subscribed to many other lists, and this seems to be >> the only one that consistently has this problem. This is >> pretty amazing considering the low number of subscribers. >> >> > >Yes, but I've posted couple of mails to this and cc to apr-dev list. The >apr-dev have couple of minutes delay. >Perhaps the human span filter is involved there, or they need the high cpu >load to filter the messages :-). > >Think that few simple rules could work in any of those 'out of office' >cases >for every bayes filter. >Do we have one at all? > >MT. > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies
> -Original Message- > From: George Sexton > Subject: RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies > > I think a bigger issue is why is the list software forwarding these? > > I have subscribed to many other lists, and this seems to be > the only one that consistently has this problem. This is > pretty amazing considering the low number of subscribers. > > Yes, but I've posted couple of mails to this and cc to apr-dev list. The apr-dev have couple of minutes delay. Perhaps the human span filter is involved there, or they need the high cpu load to filter the messages :-). Think that few simple rules could work in any of those 'out of office' cases for every bayes filter. Do we have one at all? MT. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies
Perhaps it is a combination of two things. On other lists like Linux-Kernel, subscribers are not clueless enough to use an auto-responder that replies to messages that have "Precedence: bulk" set. Additionally, most UNIX auto-responders will only send one notice per configurable time period (i.e. a week). Also, I think that other lists are running a filter up-front that removes messages that are from auto-responders. The list plainly is filtered already for spam (X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N). Why doesn't it filter for out of office messages? George Sexton MH Software, Inc. Home of Connect Daily Web Calendar Software http://www.mhsoftware.com/connectdaily.htm Voice: 303 438 9585 -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:07 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies Hi, >I think a bigger issue is why is the list software forwarding these? Why wouldn't it? It's a message sent to the list from a subscribed address. >I have subscribed to many other lists, and this seems to be the only one >that consistently has this problem. This is pretty amazing considering >the low number of subscribers. The list probably has many more members than you think, but a silent majority. Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies
Hi, >I think a bigger issue is why is the list software forwarding these? Why wouldn't it? It's a message sent to the list from a subscribed address. >I have subscribed to many other lists, and this seems to be the only one >that consistently has this problem. This is pretty amazing considering >the low number of subscribers. The list probably has many more members than you think, but a silent majority. Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies
I think a bigger issue is why is the list software forwarding these? I have subscribed to many other lists, and this seems to be the only one that consistently has this problem. This is pretty amazing considering the low number of subscribers. -Original Message- From: Guenter Knauf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 6:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] unsubscribe stupid users with auto-replies Hi all, I think that it is only fair for all others that those on the list which are too stupid to setup a separate mail account are directly unsubscribed once the list gets auto-replies about their absence. We have already enough spam, and its nearly impossible to filter those senseless mails. If this continues it will not last long till those who really want to follow the list and post useful stuff will leave - but then the problem is also solved because: no real posts = no stupid auto-replies = dead list. thanks, Guenter. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
