RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
-1 Marc Saegesser -Original Message- From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails Christopher Cain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, while I might technically have the ability to call for a vote on anything, it's bad form to call a vote on something that you personally cannot make happen. Since I do not have the ability to set up a new mailing list, it would be the equivalent of me forcing more mailing list duties on Pier. Basically, I did the most that I could do. The only people who could realistically called for a vote on a new mailing list are Jon (who isn't in favor of it), Pier (who I think is fed up with the whole business at this point :), and Craig (who didn't say one way or the other). As I said, I don't personally care how they get into my inbox, so long as they do. So in calling a vote, I simply played the percentages. Ok, so since I need to try to be the nice guy over here, let's do it this way... It seems apparent that the mailing list want to be notified of bugs (lots of +1 and no -1), so this is a simple one [ ] +1 - I want all messages to a new tomcat-bugs mailing list [ ] -1 - I want all messages to tomcat-dev (I'd propose this is a non vetoing vote, so, majority wins) Pier
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
[X] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications [] +0 Sure, why not [] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :) [] -1 Leave it alone (explain) If the mail came from [EMAIL PROTECTED], it will be easy to have rules to filter them, but it's allready the case for bugzilla
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
[X] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications [] +0 Sure, why not [] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :) [] -1 Leave it alone (explain) Craig
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
on 9/10/01 12:19 AM, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we're at putting more eyballs on some bugs, if someone could come up with a reliable test case for bug 3511 (http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3511), which was reported by Jon, that would be great :) Remy FYI, I am working on creating another test case... I just haven't gotten it yet because I need to solve some other problems first... -jon
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
+1 Saludos , Ignacio J. Ortega -Mensaje original- De: Christopher Cain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: lunes 10 de septiembre de 2001 9:08 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails I'm going to go ahead and call this, in the name of peace and brotherhood :) - Whenever a bug is entered or modified on Nagoya Bugzilla, should Tomcat-Dev receive a copy of the automatic e-mail notification sent to the assigned developer? [] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications [] +0 Sure, why not [] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :) [] -1 Leave it alone (explain) - Christopher /** * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau! * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau. *---Corneille */
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
+1, Jon has a point. ( I was among those bad guys who sugested the current behavior, mea culpa ) Costin On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Christopher Cain wrote: I'm going to go ahead and call this, in the name of peace and brotherhood :) - Whenever a bug is entered or modified on Nagoya Bugzilla, should Tomcat-Dev receive a copy of the automatic e-mail notification sent to the assigned developer? [] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications [] +0 Sure, why not [] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :) [] -1 Leave it alone (explain) - Christopher /** * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau! * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau. *---Corneille */
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
There were a few reasons that I didn't include a separate mailing list option in the vote. There seemed to be more a little more support for just having them come here to the dev list, and it's hard to effectively call a vote on three options instead of two, so I picked the one that would be more likely to pass. Also, while I might technically have the ability to call for a vote on anything, it's bad form to call a vote on something that you personally cannot make happen. Since I do not have the ability to set up a new mailing list, it would be the equivalent of me forcing more mailing list duties on Pier. Basically, I did the most that I could do. The only people who could realistically called for a vote on a new mailing list are Jon (who isn't in favor of it), Pier (who I think is fed up with the whole business at this point :), and Craig (who didn't say one way or the other). As I said, I don't personally care how they get into my inbox, so long as they do. So in calling a vote, I simply played the percentages. Incidentally, we miss you over, Paulo ;-) - Christopher /** * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau! * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau. *---Corneille */ Paulo Gaspar wrote: Christopher, Since you are the VOTE proponent, could you take a look at my previous suggestion: - having a tomcat-bugs mailing list; - having a _daily digest_ to tomcat-dev (which should refer the existence of the bugs list). It was made clear along this discussion that BUG messages were removed because people complained about clutter. The fact that they are faced as clutter by many defeats the idea of getting more eye balls posting them all one by one - people will jump over and ignore them just as everybody does to advertising banners. The daily bug digest + bug list still sounds like a nice compromise to me. I think that it is the best way to get more eye balls. Anyway, I know I would prefer it this way, but I have no Karma to do anything about that besides noise. Thanks and have fun, Paulo Gaspar -Original Message- From: Christopher Cain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:08 AM I'm going to go ahead and call this, in the name of peace and brotherhood :) - Whenever a bug is entered or modified on Nagoya Bugzilla, should Tomcat-Dev receive a copy of the automatic e-mail notification sent to the assigned developer? [] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications [] +0 Sure, why not [] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :) [] -1 Leave it alone (explain) - Christopher /** * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau! * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau. *---Corneille */
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
You are right Christopher. Besides the (a bit sarcastic[*]) sense of humor and besides knowing some Latin expressions, you also make a lot of sense. =:o) Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. (Seriously!) Have fun, Paulo [*] Which is a plus. -Original Message- From: Christopher Cain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:02 PM There were a few reasons that I didn't include a separate mailing list option in the vote. There seemed to be more a little more support for just having them come here to the dev list, and it's hard to effectively call a vote on three options instead of two, so I picked the one that would be more likely to pass. Also, while I might technically have the ability to call for a vote on anything, it's bad form to call a vote on something that you personally cannot make happen. Since I do not have the ability to set up a new mailing list, it would be the equivalent of me forcing more mailing list duties on Pier. Basically, I did the most that I could do. The only people who could realistically called for a vote on a new mailing list are Jon (who isn't in favor of it), Pier (who I think is fed up with the whole business at this point :), and Craig (who didn't say one way or the other). As I said, I don't personally care how they get into my inbox, so long as they do. So in calling a vote, I simply played the percentages. Incidentally, we miss you over, Paulo ;-) - Christopher /** * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau! * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau. *---Corneille */ Paulo Gaspar wrote: Christopher, Since you are the VOTE proponent, could you take a look at my previous suggestion: - having a tomcat-bugs mailing list; - having a _daily digest_ to tomcat-dev (which should refer the existence of the bugs list). It was made clear along this discussion that BUG messages were removed because people complained about clutter. The fact that they are faced as clutter by many defeats the idea of getting more eye balls posting them all one by one - people will jump over and ignore them just as everybody does to advertising banners. The daily bug digest + bug list still sounds like a nice compromise to me. I think that it is the best way to get more eye balls. Anyway, I know I would prefer it this way, but I have no Karma to do anything about that besides noise. Thanks and have fun, Paulo Gaspar -Original Message- From: Christopher Cain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:08 AM I'm going to go ahead and call this, in the name of peace and brotherhood :) - Whenever a bug is entered or modified on Nagoya Bugzilla, should Tomcat-Dev receive a copy of the automatic e-mail notification sent to the assigned developer? [] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications [] +0 Sure, why not [] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :) [] -1 Leave it alone (explain) - Christopher /** * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau! * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau. *---Corneille */
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Christopher Cain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, while I might technically have the ability to call for a vote on anything, it's bad form to call a vote on something that you personally cannot make happen. Since I do not have the ability to set up a new mailing list, it would be the equivalent of me forcing more mailing list duties on Pier. Basically, I did the most that I could do. The only people who could realistically called for a vote on a new mailing list are Jon (who isn't in favor of it), Pier (who I think is fed up with the whole business at this point :), and Craig (who didn't say one way or the other). As I said, I don't personally care how they get into my inbox, so long as they do. So in calling a vote, I simply played the percentages. Ok, so since I need to try to be the nice guy over here, let's do it this way... It seems apparent that the mailing list want to be notified of bugs (lots of +1 and no -1), so this is a simple one [ ] +1 - I want all messages to a new tomcat-bugs mailing list [ ] -1 - I want all messages to tomcat-dev (I'd propose this is a non vetoing vote, so, majority wins) Pier
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ ] +1 - I want all messages to a new tomcat-bugs mailing list [X] -1 - I want all messages to tomcat-dev Rationale is: I want other developers to look at the outstanding bugs, and tomcat-dev is the dev list for Tomcat, so I don't see the point of having another list. Agree with Remy: -1 Pier
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
-1 for the same reasons. Amy Pier Fumagalli wrote: Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ ] +1 - I want all messages to a new tomcat-bugs mailing list [X] -1 - I want all messages to tomcat-dev Rationale is: I want other developers to look at the outstanding bugs, and tomcat-dev is the dev list for Tomcat, so I don't see the point of having another list. Agree with Remy: -1 Pier
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Even the pushy non voting bastard (me) agrees that something should come to the dev list. I was pushing the daily digest thing coming to dev, but after Christopher rationale (it takes work doing it + don't ask what you won't do) I sure agree that the practical solution is to have all the bugs coming to tomcat-dev. Meaning: I really changed my mind and I now think that the initial vote was quite ok. Just my 2 cents. Have fun, Paulo -Original Message- From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ ] +1 - I want all messages to a new tomcat-bugs mailing list [X] -1 - I want all messages to tomcat-dev Rationale is: I want other developers to look at the outstanding bugs, and tomcat-dev is the dev list for Tomcat, so I don't see the point of having another list. Agree with Remy: -1 Pier
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
I just have to say that it is cute how all of you get your panties into a wad when I suggest something and then end up going with my original suggestion. :-) -jon (runs for cover)
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Jon Stevens wrote: I just have to say that it is cute how all of you get your panties into a wad when I suggest something and then end up going with my original suggestion. :-) -jon (runs for cover) *sigh* ... ever the diplomat ;-) - Christopher /** * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau! * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau. *---Corneille */
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just have to say that it is cute how all of you get your panties into a wad when I suggest something and then end up going with my original suggestion. :-) -jon (runs for cover) Someone might call it I'm so freaking tired of it so that I just don't want to talk about it anymore... :) :) :) Pier
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Pier Fumagalli wrote: Ok, so since I need to try to be the nice guy over here, let's do it this way... It seems apparent that the mailing list want to be notified of bugs (lots of +1 and no -1), so this is a simple one [ ] +1 - I want all messages to a new tomcat-bugs mailing list [X] -1 - I want all messages to tomcat-dev Costin
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
*sigh* ... ever the diplomat ;-) The only sure things in life: death, taxes and Jon's guerilla diplomacy. =;o) Have fun, Paulo -Original Message- From: Christopher Cain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails Jon Stevens wrote: I just have to say that it is cute how all of you get your panties into a wad when I suggest something and then end up going with my original suggestion. :-) -jon (runs for cover) *sigh* ... ever the diplomat ;-) - Christopher /** * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau! * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau. *---Corneille */
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails - OT
I don't want you running for nothing so... Your problem is: - When you are wrong, you are wrong; - When you are right, you still don't know how to prove it. OTHO, you always make such a noise protesting that you are right that, eventually, if you really are right, someone with better communication skills ends up motivated to properly explain why you are right in a proper way... just to have peace back... and when that happens I learn something. Have fun, Paulo P.S.: I have to confess that, obviously, you usually don't make all the noise alone by yourself. -Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:47 PM To: tomcat-dev Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails I just have to say that it is cute how all of you get your panties into a wad when I suggest something and then end up going with my original suggestion. :-) -jon (runs for cover)
