Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Costin Manolache wrote: Remy Maucherat wrote: I doubt that filling the inbox with the bug reports or commit messages will make anyone care more ( or make anyone read them when they don't want to ) :-) It seems most people use filters anyway, and those who don't ( like using gmane or a web-based interface ) just suffer the noise, but still ignore the bugs/commits they don't care about. I would really appreciate splitting them - I try to read tomcat-dev as much as possible, but web-based interfaces ( like gmane's RSS view or the html viewer ) are almost useless due to the noise, and filtering the news is not easy either. Well, my first point was that, as a TLP, the lists should become @tomcat.apache.org; whatever they become. But AFA different lists are concerned, is it worth a vote? I'm going to abstain, as I'm not on the PMC (IIRC). But here it is, go ahead and cast an opinion... Bugs [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Commits [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vote away :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
>> Bugs >> [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Commits >> [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +ashly -Original Message- From: Ian Darwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:05 PM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?) >> Bugs >> [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Commits >> [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CAUTION - Disclaimer * This e-mail contains PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by e-mail and delete the original message. Further, you are not to copy, disclose, or distribute this e-mail or its contents to any other person and any such actions are unlawful. This e-mail may contain viruses. Infosys has taken every reasonable precaution to minimize this risk, but is not liable for any damage you may sustain as a result of any virus in this e-mail. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening the e-mail or attachment. Infosys reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to or from this e-mail address. Messages sent to or from this e-mail address may be stored on the Infosys e-mail system. ***INFOSYS End of Disclaimer INFOSYS*** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Hi, Thanks for voicing your opinion. While it's welcome, it's not a binding vote, FYI, until you're a committer. Yoav --- Warren Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Bugs > > [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Commits > > [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Much easier to handle the volume of email if they are gated to separate > lists. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
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Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
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Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
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RE: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
> > Bugs > [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Commits > [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Much easier to handle the volume of email if they are gated to separate lists. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Per all the reasons Mark mentioned: Keith Bugs [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Commits [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Bugs [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Commits [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [X] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its easier (IMO) to filter on incoming address to different folders. It also may be more helpful to online list tracking tools for users to search through if they were kept seperate. [And easier to browse the archives] -Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
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Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
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Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Hi, > Bugs > [ X ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Commits >[ X ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep as one list, for reasons voiced by others, and summarized as: it's easy for users to filter at their end, but hard to get people to subscribe to three lists. If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Yoav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Costin Manolache wrote: Remy Maucherat wrote: I doubt that filling the inbox with the bug reports or commit messages will make anyone care more ( or make anyone read them when they don't want to ) :-) It seems most people use filters anyway, and those who don't ( like using gmane or a web-based interface ) just suffer the noise, but still ignore the bugs/commits they don't care about. I would really appreciate splitting them - I try to read tomcat-dev as much as possible, but web-based interfaces ( like gmane's RSS view or the html viewer ) are almost useless due to the noise, and filtering the news is not easy either. Well, my first point was that, as a TLP, the lists should become @tomcat.apache.org; whatever they become. But AFA different lists are concerned, is it worth a vote? I'm going to abstain, as I'm not on the PMC (IIRC). But here it is, go ahead and cast an opinion... Bugs [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Commits [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ ] forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vote away :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?
Remy Maucherat wrote: So I, for one, would be most appreciative of splitting the traffic; I already do split it in my email client, but I think this would be a help to many participants. [Especially if, for example, you want the dev@ traffic to go to a higher priority email account, and have the commits/issues type traffic hit your lower priority account.] Of course, but also fewer people will care about bug reports. I doubt that filling the inbox with the bug reports or commit messages will make anyone care more ( or make anyone read them when they don't want to ) :-) It seems most people use filters anyway, and those who don't ( like using gmane or a web-based interface ) just suffer the noise, but still ignore the bugs/commits they don't care about. I would really appreciate splitting them - I try to read tomcat-dev as much as possible, but web-based interfaces ( like gmane's RSS view or the html viewer ) are almost useless due to the noise, and filtering the news is not easy either. Costin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Folks, as Tomcat is now (IIUC) a TLP, is it time to break apart the single dumping ground, fondly known as tomcat-dev, into multiple lists for folks with more targeted issues? E.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - our friend, this list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - svn/cvs commits [EMAIL PROTECTED] - bugzilla/jira reports I would prefer to continue with a single dev list. Reasons are: - Modern e-mail clients allow people to split it any way they like - Many archives are geared to searching one list at a time - Multiple lists raise the barrier (only slightly) to getting involved Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?
Remy Maucherat wrote: Of course, but also fewer people will care about bug reports. Perhaps; perhaps not. In my case, I prefer to use the tool, and take advantage of the whole bugzilla/jira feature set. Bug emails are noise, because they scream "me, me!", instead of reflecting on all the long outstanding, quiet bugs. Just two different perspectives, I guess. Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Folks, as Tomcat is now (IIUC) a TLP, is it time to break apart the single dumping ground, fondly known as tomcat-dev, into multiple lists for folks with more targeted issues? E.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - our friend, this list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - svn/cvs commits [EMAIL PROTECTED] - bugzilla/jira reports Right now, we have dev, user, and that's it. We need pmc too. I don't care personally about commits and issues (personally, I don't care, I have separate mail filters for the commits). I don't monitor the bugzilla noise This takes a whole new meaning for me now. as an email stream much, but want to continue to actively monitor cvs commits, and development chatter. I can see some [EMAIL PROTECTED] types who would be interested in following [EMAIL PROTECTED], but who have little to no interest in watching commits@ fly by. So I, for one, would be most appreciative of splitting the traffic; I already do split it in my email client, but I think this would be a help to many participants. [Especially if, for example, you want the dev@ traffic to go to a higher priority email account, and have the commits/issues type traffic hit your lower priority account.] Of course, but also fewer people will care about bug reports. Rémy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?
Folks, as Tomcat is now (IIUC) a TLP, is it time to break apart the single dumping ground, fondly known as tomcat-dev, into multiple lists for folks with more targeted issues? E.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - our friend, this list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - svn/cvs commits [EMAIL PROTECTED] - bugzilla/jira reports I bring this up because, for example, I don't monitor the bugzilla noise as an email stream much, but want to continue to actively monitor cvs commits, and development chatter. I can see some [EMAIL PROTECTED] types who would be interested in following [EMAIL PROTECTED], but who have little to no interest in watching commits@ fly by. So I, for one, would be most appreciative of splitting the traffic; I already do split it in my email client, but I think this would be a help to many participants. [Especially if, for example, you want the dev@ traffic to go to a higher priority email account, and have the commits/issues type traffic hit your lower priority account.] Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
