Re: WebDAV and TC5
Costin Manolache wrote: Could someone explain what's the (current) difference between our webdav servlet and slide ? Looking at the site, slide seems to have far more features ( which is not necesarily good ). Is there a good point of maintaining 2 webdav solutions ? Could we just bundle slide ( if we want tomcat to be webdav-enabled ? Slide does a lot. It seems some people are interested in a plain simple WebDAV solution, which would simply add FTP-like feature, and nothing more. The WebDAV servlet is rather small, so I think it does that, and is relatively useful. My employer uses it as well, so I'd like to keep it in ;) Rémy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WebDAV and TC5
Mark Thomas wrote: From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Howdy, I don't have a big objection. But we removed it from TC5 intentionally, not by accident. No one has been complaining, aside from the one user who just voice in a few minutes ago, so we should have a good argument for adding it back, no? The main reason for adding back in was after looking into http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26449 It seemed that adding the servlet back in to TC5 might be a good idea. The response my original post received seems to indicate that there are a number of people who would appreciate adding the webapp back in. In summary it consists of a single index page, a couple of gifs and a web.xml that configures the servlet. The intention is to give users new to WebDAV a simple starting point. I'll go ahead and do this over the weekend. The servlet should be mapped as /* (to override Jasper and all the others), and the welcome file list should be empty, right ? Maybe adding a docs section explaining clearly how to use the WebDAV servlet would be better than reintroducing the webapp. Longer term Longer term what ? Rémy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: WebDAV and TC5
Shapira, Yoav wrote: But every time I install tomcat, I go through a set of steps that is always the same: - Unzip the distribution - Remove all its webapps - Strip server.xml down to a minimum I suppose I could just write some scripts to do the above, but a distribution that does it is relatively easy to build. While we had one major distribution really, I didn't want to bring this up as much, because it's adding overhead and another task for the release manager. But now that we already have the main, embedded, and deployer distros for every release, the marginal cost of a minimal distro is significantly lower. I think the manager webapp should be left in (it's small, and is needed for deployment compatibility). Rémy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: WebDAV and TC5
From: Remy Maucherat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The servlet should be mapped as /* (to override Jasper and all the others), and the welcome file list should be empty, right ? Yes. Note an empty welcome file list needs to be included to override the default defined in conf/web.xml Maybe adding a docs section explaining clearly how to use the WebDAV servlet would be better than reintroducing the webapp. Personally I prefer a working example with appropriate comments. It also saves me copying it from TC4 all the time ;) Longer term Longer term what ? Sorry. Got distracted half way through writing my e-mail. To finish the sentence, longer term I want to look at providing an implementation for the PROPPATCH method. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WebDAV and TC5
Mark Thomas wrote: Personally I prefer a working example with appropriate comments. It also saves me copying it from TC4 all the time ;) Cool. I think we need docs too (grin) :D (I know, I'm being mean) Rémy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: WebDAV and TC5
Remy Maucherat wrote: Mark Thomas wrote: Personally I prefer a working example with appropriate comments. It also saves me copying it from TC4 all the time ;) Cool. I think we need docs too (grin) :D (I know, I'm being mean) Fair point though. I'll put it on my list of things to do. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WebDAV and TC5
Remy Maucherat wrote: Mark Thomas wrote: All, Any objections to adding the WebDAV web application to TC5? The plan is to just copy the files across from TC4, modify the build scripts as required and make a small change to the web.xml to overcome an issue with welcome files. If no-one objects, I'll do this tomorrow. -0 (so I don't really mind). I just don't see any big benefits. Rémy Could someone explain what's the (current) difference between our webdav servlet and slide ? Looking at the site, slide seems to have far more features ( which is not necesarily good ). Is there a good point of maintaining 2 webdav solutions ? Could we just bundle slide ( if we want tomcat to be webdav-enabled ? Costin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WebDAV and TC5
Shapira, Yoav wrote: Howdy, Why do it now? I haven't seen demand for it on the user list... Yoav Shapira Millennium ChemInformatics Yes, we are using in TC4 and plan to move to TC5. It is good to have a quick job done if you do not have enough time for more elaborate system as in Slide. Thanks. BaTien DBGROUPS -Original Message- From: Mark Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:10 PM To: Tomcat-Dev Subject: WebDAV and TC5 All, Any objections to adding the WebDAV web application to TC5? The plan is to just copy the files across from TC4, modify the build scripts as required and make a small change to the web.xml to overcome an issue with welcome files. If no-one objects, I'll do this tomorrow. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: [OT] Re: WebDAV and TC5
Howdy, Yes, but soon you're going to pitch a HTTP-server-in-100k, complete with its own proprietary API ;) The embedded distribution is IMO good for a minimal distribution. ;) Not, I don't want a proprietary anything as in the Jetty world. That's no good for any organization that wants long-term maintenance costs to stay low. But every time I install tomcat, I go through a set of steps that is always the same: - Unzip the distribution - Remove all its webapps - Strip server.xml down to a minimum I suppose I could just write some scripts to do the above, but a distribution that does it is relatively easy to build. While we had one major distribution really, I didn't want to bring this up as much, because it's adding overhead and another task for the release manager. But now that we already have the main, embedded, and deployer distros for every release, the marginal cost of a minimal distro is significantly lower. All that said, I reiterate my original point that I don't have a huge objection to bringing WebDAV back in. It's definitely -0, not a -1. Just another webapp for me to remove as part of my normal tomcat installation. Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: WebDAV and TC5
From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Howdy, I don't have a big objection. But we removed it from TC5 intentionally, not by accident. No one has been complaining, aside from the one user who just voice in a few minutes ago, so we should have a good argument for adding it back, no? The main reason for adding back in was after looking into http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26449 It seemed that adding the servlet back in to TC5 might be a good idea. The response my original post received seems to indicate that there are a number of people who would appreciate adding the webapp back in. In summary it consists of a single index page, a couple of gifs and a web.xml that configures the servlet. The intention is to give users new to WebDAV a simple starting point. I'll go ahead and do this over the weekend. Longer term - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WebDAV and TC5
All, Any objections to adding the WebDAV web application to TC5? The plan is to just copy the files across from TC4, modify the build scripts as required and make a small change to the web.xml to overcome an issue with welcome files. If no-one objects, I'll do this tomorrow. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: WebDAV and TC5
Howdy, Why do it now? I haven't seen demand for it on the user list... Yoav Shapira Millennium ChemInformatics -Original Message- From: Mark Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:10 PM To: Tomcat-Dev Subject: WebDAV and TC5 All, Any objections to adding the WebDAV web application to TC5? The plan is to just copy the files across from TC4, modify the build scripts as required and make a small change to the web.xml to overcome an issue with welcome files. If no-one objects, I'll do this tomorrow. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: WebDAV and TC5
Please, PLEASE add it! There is no demand because MOST users do not know any compatible clients! Thank you - George From: Shapira, Yoav [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: WebDAV and TC5 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:18:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mail.apache.org ([208.185.179.12]) by mc3-f11.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:19:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 56464 invoked by uid 500); 29 Jan 2004 20:19:07 - Received: (qmail 56364 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 20:19:06 - Received: from unknown (HELO mustang.mpi.com) (63.244.250.132) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 20:19:06 - Received: from lightning.mpi.com (lightning [63.244.252.11])by mustang.mpi.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i0TKG6V01057for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:16:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from US-VS1.corp.mpi.com (us-be1.corp.mpi.com [63.244.252.30])by lightning.mpi.com (Switch-3.0.5/Switch-3.0.0) with ESMTP id i0TKIlck015762for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:18:48 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFEd1q16rktfRNC+LSTALWW Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Tomcat Developers List tomcat-dev.jakarta.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: WebDAV and TC5 Thread-Index: AcPmo+IP6ooA8E3jR/y7NEW5tAPPQAAARTzA X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2004 20:19:36.0132 (UTC) FILETIME=[36E2A040:01C3E6A5] Howdy, Why do it now? I haven't seen demand for it on the user list... Yoav Shapira Millennium ChemInformatics -Original Message- From: Mark Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:10 PM To: Tomcat-Dev Subject: WebDAV and TC5 All, Any objections to adding the WebDAV web application to TC5? The plan is to just copy the files across from TC4, modify the build scripts as required and make a small change to the web.xml to overcome an issue with welcome files. If no-one objects, I'll do this tomorrow. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Find high-speed net deals comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WebDAV and TC5
+1 why not, if it is in T4, lets have it in T5 - Original Message - From: Mark Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat-Dev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: WebDAV and TC5 All, Any objections to adding the WebDAV web application to TC5? The plan is to just copy the files across from TC4, modify the build scripts as required and make a small change to the web.xml to overcome an issue with welcome files. If no-one objects, I'll do this tomorrow. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: WebDAV and TC5
Howdy, I don't have a big objection. But we removed it from TC5 intentionally, not by accident. No one has been complaining, aside from the one user who just voice in a few minutes ago, so we should have a good argument for adding it back, no? Yoav Shapira Millennium ChemInformatics -Original Message- From: Filip Hanik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:14 PM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: WebDAV and TC5 +1 why not, if it is in T4, lets have it in T5 - Original Message - From: Mark Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat-Dev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: WebDAV and TC5 All, Any objections to adding the WebDAV web application to TC5? The plan is to just copy the files across from TC4, modify the build scripts as required and make a small change to the web.xml to overcome an issue with welcome files. If no-one objects, I'll do this tomorrow. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WebDAV and TC5
I don't have a big objection. But we removed it from TC5 intentionally, ah I missed that, what was the argument for removing it? Filip - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Re: WebDAV and TC5
George MATKOVITS wrote: Please, PLEASE add it! There is no demand because MOST users do not know any compatible clients! Thank you - George WebDAV seems to be largely an empty promise due to the lack of reasonable, compatible clients. 90% of all clients are Microsoft Windows. Microsoft Windows' Web Folders support WebDAV to a *small* degree. Yet the way this is integrated into the OS is at such a level that 99% of all Windows apps are incompatible in full or part with Web Folders (e.g. you can't directly save to or open from web folders from these apps). Even Microsoft Office is only compatible with web folders in the most common menu items (e.g. open/save) whereas various other file dialogs for importing, object inclusion, etc, are not compatible with web folders. The kicker for app developers: the OS does not give you a normal file path (or File object in Java) for objects in web folders -- thus requiring special action to be compatible. I've tried products which claim to give the level of integration that Microsoft failed to achieve. Unfortunately, they proved unstable and unreliable. Now various UNIX flavors may well provide file system mappings to WebDAV (and the OS X one sounds nice), but unfortunately for those who produce servers that would like to be able to just expose themselves to clients via WebDAV this is essentially useless for 90% of the market. -- Jess Holle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: WebDAV and TC5
Jess Holle wrote: WebDAV seems to be largely an empty promise due to the lack of reasonable, compatible clients. 90% of all clients are Microsoft Windows. Microsoft Windows' Web Folders support WebDAV to a *small* degree. Yet the way this is integrated into the OS is at such a level that 99% of all Windows apps are incompatible in full or part with Web Folders (e.g. you can't directly save to or open from web folders from these apps). Even Microsoft Office is only compatible with web folders in the most common menu items (e.g. open/save) whereas various other file dialogs for importing, object inclusion, etc, are not compatible with web folders. The kicker for app developers: the OS does not give you a normal file path (or File object in Java) for objects in web folders -- thus requiring special action to be compatible. I've tried products which claim to give the level of integration that Microsoft failed to achieve. Unfortunately, they proved unstable and unreliable. Now various UNIX flavors may well provide file system mappings to WebDAV (and the OS X one sounds nice), but unfortunately for those who produce servers that would like to be able to just expose themselves to clients via WebDAV this is essentially useless for 90% of the market. I absolutely disagree. Windows comes with two clients (an explorer extension and a filesystem driver), MacOSX comes with a drriver, and there's also a Linux FS. Many major applications (for instance Adobe or OpenOffice) support it as well. WebDAV is robust and interoperability is actually quite good. Julian -- green/bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: WebDAV and TC5
Julian Reschke wrote: Jess Holle wrote: WebDAV seems to be largely an empty promise due to the lack of reasonable, compatible clients. 90% of all clients are Microsoft Windows. Microsoft Windows' Web Folders support WebDAV to a *small* degree. Yet the way this is integrated into the OS is at such a level that 99% of all Windows apps are incompatible in full or part with Web Folders (e.g. you can't directly save to or open from web folders from these apps). Even Microsoft Office is only compatible with web folders in the most common menu items (e.g. open/save) whereas various other file dialogs for importing, object inclusion, etc, are not compatible with web folders. The kicker for app developers: the OS does not give you a normal file path (or File object in Java) for objects in web folders -- thus requiring special action to be compatible. I've tried products which claim to give the level of integration that Microsoft failed to achieve. Unfortunately, they proved unstable and unreliable. Now various UNIX flavors may well provide file system mappings to WebDAV (and the OS X one sounds nice), but unfortunately for those who produce servers that would like to be able to just expose themselves to clients via WebDAV this is essentially useless for 90% of the market. I absolutely disagree. Windows comes with two clients (an explorer extension and a filesystem driver), How does the user use the filesystem driver? The end-user certainly cannot achieve anything meaningful via web folders. I did a lot of testing in this regard. Now if there is a better level of usability/functionality achievable with Windows without significant additional client side programming, I'd love to hear more about it -- i.e. I'd love to discover I'm simply ignorant here and find a silver bullet for this issue! MacOSX comes with a drriver, and there's also a Linux FS. Agreed on these counts, but these are 10% of the market. Many major applications (for instance Adobe or OpenOffice) support it as well. WebDAV is robust and interoperability is actually quite good. OpenOffice is very small in terms of market share, though I certainly wish it all the best! Adobe is also fairly small in terms of market share. What is really necessary is an across-the-board file-system and desktop GUI level integration such that all applications on the OS get some level of functionality with WebDAV (including open and save as a minimum!) and those that are DAV-aware may get more. App-by-app DAV awareness is *much* less interesting as it is guaranteed to be inconsistent between apps and as a server-vendor one can't depend on it being present in the client apps. I've not seen any means to achieve this across-the-board functionality with Windows (and again, *please* prove me ignorant here). -- Jess Holle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: WebDAV and TC5
Jess Holle wrote: How does the user use the filesystem driver? net use ... The end-user certainly cannot achieve anything meaningful via web folders. I did a lot of testing in this regard. Well, I disagree. Lots of my customers use webfolders heavily. Now if there is a better level of usability/functionality achievable with Windows without significant additional client side programming, I'd love to hear more about it -- i.e. I'd love to discover I'm simply ignorant here and find a silver bullet for this issue! Of course there isn't any silver bullet. But all clients I've seen are still better than non-programmatic access or FTP. OpenOffice is very small in terms of market share, though I certainly wish it all the best! Adobe is also fairly small in terms of market share. Oh well. Microsoft Office is not small in market share, and works very well with WebDAV. What is really necessary is an across-the-board file-system and desktop GUI level integration such that all applications on the OS get some level of functionality with WebDAV (including open and save as a minimum!) and those that are DAV-aware may get more. App-by-app DAV awareness is *much* less interesting as it is guaranteed to be inconsistent between apps and as a server-vendor one can't depend on it being present in the client apps. I've not seen any means to achieve this across-the-board functionality with Windows (and again, *please* prove me ignorant here). Well, use one of the many filesystem drivers (Xythos, Windows XP, ...). Julian -- green/bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: WebDAV and TC5
I don't think small market shares or lack of clients is a reason for exclude a server feature. They are separate. If the WebDAV app added some negative impact to the tomcat server, then take it out, but if not, then lets add it back in. Filip - Original Message - From: Julian Reschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: WebDAV and TC5 Jess Holle wrote: How does the user use the filesystem driver? net use ... The end-user certainly cannot achieve anything meaningful via web folders. I did a lot of testing in this regard. Well, I disagree. Lots of my customers use webfolders heavily. Now if there is a better level of usability/functionality achievable with Windows without significant additional client side programming, I'd love to hear more about it -- i.e. I'd love to discover I'm simply ignorant here and find a silver bullet for this issue! Of course there isn't any silver bullet. But all clients I've seen are still better than non-programmatic access or FTP. OpenOffice is very small in terms of market share, though I certainly wish it all the best! Adobe is also fairly small in terms of market share. Oh well. Microsoft Office is not small in market share, and works very well with WebDAV. What is really necessary is an across-the-board file-system and desktop GUI level integration such that all applications on the OS get some level of functionality with WebDAV (including open and save as a minimum!) and those that are DAV-aware may get more. App-by-app DAV awareness is *much* less interesting as it is guaranteed to be inconsistent between apps and as a server-vendor one can't depend on it being present in the client apps. I've not seen any means to achieve this across-the-board functionality with Windows (and again, *please* prove me ignorant here). Well, use one of the many filesystem drivers (Xythos, Windows XP, ...). Julian -- green/bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WebDAV and TC5
Mark Thomas wrote: All, Any objections to adding the WebDAV web application to TC5? The plan is to just copy the files across from TC4, modify the build scripts as required and make a small change to the web.xml to overcome an issue with welcome files. If no-one objects, I'll do this tomorrow. -0 (so I don't really mind). I just don't see any big benefits. Rémy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: WebDAV and TC5
Howdy, I don't think small market shares or lack of clients is a reason for exclude a server feature. They are separate. If the WebDAV app added some negative impact to the tomcat server, then take it out, but if not, then lets add it back in. Even if WebDAV is useful in the general sense (I tend to agree with Senor Holle that it's not, I don't feel strongly either way), I think it's telling that no one complained when we removed it. Anything we add that's not used is bloat by definition, and more for us to maintain. Of course, we already do have a WebDAV servlet shipping with tomcat5, and that's the main part. What else did you (Mark T.) think of adding to the distribution? This gets me thinking again of the idea of a minimal build: no webdav, no CGI, no examples, no docs, no balancer, minimal server.xml as the default, etc, so as to minimize download size and cater to those users who know what they're doing and just want to drop their webapp into tomcat. Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: WebDAV and TC5
Shapira, Yoav wrote: Howdy, I don't think small market shares or lack of clients is a reason for exclude a server feature. They are separate. If the WebDAV app added some negative impact to the tomcat server, then take it out, but if not, then lets add it back in. Even if WebDAV is useful in the general sense (I tend to agree with Senor Holle that it's not, I don't feel strongly either way), I think it's telling that no one complained when we removed it. Anything we add that's not used is bloat by definition, and more for us to maintain. Of course, we already do have a WebDAV servlet shipping with tomcat5, and that's the main part. What else did you (Mark T.) think of adding to the distribution? This gets me thinking again of the idea of a minimal build: no webdav, no CGI, no examples, no docs, no balancer, minimal server.xml as the default, etc, so as to minimize download size and cater to those users who know what they're doing and just want to drop their webapp into tomcat. Jakarta could have a minimal Tomcat binary + a set of standard Jakarta add-on web-apps. Add a standard web app catalog viewer to Tomcat and you're set. Right? [At that point Tomcat would be kind of like what NetBeans tries to be in this regard, which is pretty nice -- all other aspects of NetBeans aside.] -- Jess Holle
Re: [OT] Re: WebDAV and TC5
Shapira, Yoav wrote: Howdy, I don't think small market shares or lack of clients is a reason for exclude a server feature. They are separate. If the WebDAV app added some negative impact to the tomcat server, then take it out, but if not, then lets add it back in. Even if WebDAV is useful in the general sense (I tend to agree with Senor Holle that it's not, I don't feel strongly either way), I think it's telling that no one complained when we removed it. Anything we add that's not used is bloat by definition, and more for us to maintain. We didn't remove it. That webapp wasn't serving any useful purpose. Of course, we already do have a WebDAV servlet shipping with tomcat5, and that's the main part. What else did you (Mark T.) think of adding to the distribution? And I'm glad it's being maintained again. This gets me thinking again of the idea of a minimal build: no webdav, no CGI, no examples, no docs, no balancer, minimal server.xml as the default, etc, so as to minimize download size and cater to those users who know what they're doing and just want to drop their webapp into tomcat. Yes, but soon you're going to pitch a HTTP-server-in-100k, complete with its own proprietary API ;) The embedded distribution is IMO good for a minimal distribution. Rémy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WebDAV and TC5
I have mixed feelings. I don't think it belongs in the tomcat distribution. I'd rather see the WebDav servlet get moved to another jakarta (commons?) project. Like commons-webapps, commons-servlets. But then again the webdav servlet is tomcat specific code and might be hard being ported to another container. As long as it can be excluded like ssi and cgi can be, I'm ok. I'm done with my random thoughts. -Tim Mark Thomas wrote: All, Any objections to adding the WebDAV web application to TC5? The plan is to just copy the files across from TC4, modify the build scripts as required and make a small change to the web.xml to overcome an issue with welcome files. If no-one objects, I'll do this tomorrow. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: WebDAV and TC5
Remy Maucherat wrote: Yes, but soon you're going to pitch a HTTP-server-in-100k, complete with its own proprietary API ;) The embedded distribution is IMO good for a minimal distribution. I for one wasn't about to :-) Rather I think that the module-catalog approach broadens the exposure of the user-community to these modules (rather than them just getting overlooked since they're in there somewhere) and allows separate release points -- which is a dual-edged sword... -- Jess Holle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
