RE: Tomcat on HP-UX 11
That's all. Nothing in the log directory, no other messages on the console. Everywhere else I've installed [unzipped!] Tomcat, it has just worked immediately, so I'm not too sure where to go looking for problems. I don't have any error messages to search the archives for, either. Any ideas? I have one... PATIENCE! It took ~3 minutes to start. I happened to hit refresh in the browser and found that it was alive. Still no messages on the console, though... I usually [Win2000 Linux] see things go flying by as Tomcat starts up. Aha! Found it: logs/catalina.out Okay, then, we seem to be in business. Thankfully I'm not the one who has to get the whole Apache/Tomcat/SSL thing to work. ;) -- Wendy Smoak http://sourceforge.net/projects/unidbtags
RE: Tomcat on HP-UX 11
Wendy, For tomcat 4 on HP-UX I have found very little gets sent to the console window except when you try to start tomcat when it is already running. Also, I just attempted to install the same tarball as you on our server and I got the same error. I would imagine that there is an issue with the way the tar files was created. When you unzipped on your windows machine did you get some filename conflict errors? When I look at the zip file there appears to a large number of duplicate files but none of these files appear to be there when I untar them on a linux machine. If I untar on my linux machine and then jar it up and then unjar on hp-ux it appears to install correctly. While I have seen those longlink error messages before this is the first download I could not install directly onto our servers Jeff -Original Message- From: Wendy Smoak [mailto:Wendy.Smoak;asu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:41 PM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat on HP-UX 11 That's all. Nothing in the log directory, no other messages on the console. Everywhere else I've installed [unzipped!] Tomcat, it has just worked immediately, so I'm not too sure where to go looking for problems. I don't have any error messages to search the archives for, either. Any ideas? I have one... PATIENCE! It took ~3 minutes to start. I happened to hit refresh in the browser and found that it was alive. Still no messages on the console, though... I usually [Win2000 Linux] see things go flying by as Tomcat starts up. Aha! Found it: logs/catalina.out Okay, then, we seem to be in business. Thankfully I'm not the one who has to get the whole Apache/Tomcat/SSL thing to work. ;) -- Wendy Smoak http://sourceforge.net/projects/unidbtags -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:tomcat-user-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:tomcat-user-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Tomcat on HP-UX 11
I think the console output should go to catalina.out in the logs directory. At least it did for me on the linux version. Something you might want to check out. Wendy Smoak wrote: We talked about Tomcat HP-UX a while ago and I was advised that I didn't have to wait for HP to get around to providing a version of Tomcat 4, that I should be able to grab one from the site and unzip it. So we've installed the Apache/Tomcat bundle provided by HP [Apache 2.0.39.05.03 and Tomcat 3.3.1] which works fine, and will now attempt to replace the version of Tomcat they provided with 4.1.12. I was able to gunzip the jakarta-tomcat-4.1.12-LE-jdk14.tar.gz file, but tar -xvf failed. I see that there's a note about Solaris and Mac OS X not having the right version of tar, and I wonder if HP-UX is in the same situation: [lots snipped] /webapp/admin/valve/De, 3889 bytes, 8 tape blocks tar: creating as regular file. x ././LongLink, 118 bytes, 1 tape blocks directory checksum error So I started over, unzipped the whole thing on Windows 2000 and WS-FTP'd it up to the HP box. Everything is owned by root, I'm running this as root [just testing!] and I get: # ./startup.sh Using CATALINA_BASE: /opt/tomcat Using CATALINA_HOME: /opt/tomcat Using CATALINA_TMPDIR: /opt/tomcat/temp Using JAVA_HOME: /opt/java1.4 # That's all. Nothing in the log directory, no other messages on the console. Everywhere else I've installed [unzipped!] Tomcat, it has just worked immediately, so I'm not too sure where to go looking for problems. I don't have any error messages to search the archives for, either. Any ideas? Thanks! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:tomcat-user-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:tomcat-user-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Tomcat on HP-UX 11
Yes hp's tar is bad like the other commercial unixes. You'll need to download/compile/install the GNU tar. Wendy Smoak wrote: We talked about Tomcat HP-UX a while ago and I was advised that I didn't have to wait for HP to get around to providing a version of Tomcat 4, that I should be able to grab one from the site and unzip it. So we've installed the Apache/Tomcat bundle provided by HP [Apache 2.0.39.05.03 and Tomcat 3.3.1] which works fine, and will now attempt to replace the version of Tomcat they provided with 4.1.12. I was able to gunzip the jakarta-tomcat-4.1.12-LE-jdk14.tar.gz file, but tar -xvf failed. I see that there's a note about Solaris and Mac OS X not having the right version of tar, and I wonder if HP-UX is in the same situation: [lots snipped] /webapp/admin/valve/De, 3889 bytes, 8 tape blocks tar: creating as regular file. x ././LongLink, 118 bytes, 1 tape blocks directory checksum error So I started over, unzipped the whole thing on Windows 2000 and WS-FTP'd it up to the HP box. Everything is owned by root, I'm running this as root [just testing!] and I get: # ./startup.sh Using CATALINA_BASE: /opt/tomcat Using CATALINA_HOME: /opt/tomcat Using CATALINA_TMPDIR: /opt/tomcat/temp Using JAVA_HOME: /opt/java1.4 # That's all. Nothing in the log directory, no other messages on the console. Everywhere else I've installed [unzipped!] Tomcat, it has just worked immediately, so I'm not too sure where to go looking for problems. I don't have any error messages to search the archives for, either. Any ideas? Thanks! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:tomcat-user-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:tomcat-user-help;jakarta.apache.org
RE: Tomcat and HP-UX 11
Wendy, We have had very good luck using Apache 1.3.26 with tomcat 4.0.4/4.1.12 (we have begun to test 4.1 and 2.0) using the mod_webapp/warp connector. We built the Apache and the mod_webapp from source. Apache was very easy. The mod_webapp was a problem because of the way the test function works on HP-UX. I can provide you with binary forms of the mod_webapp for Apache with and without SSL. (Keep meaning to send them to John Turner to post with his JK connectors). I can also provide you with how to modify the configure file to allow you to compile it yourself. In order to compile from source you also need to have a number of GNU packages installed such as FLEX, autoconf and M4. I think apache only requires flex. We are able to run Tomcat using the binary install. The only modification we needed to make was to add use the jvm option -XdoCloseWithReadPending. Without this set within the CATALINA_OPTS variable, the connector thread never exists (This is for WARP and the HTTP connectors) and thus tomcat never exits. We have not been able to compile the JK connectors because our version of perl is not compatible with the automake program but I hope to have that corrected soon. Let me know if you have any questions, Jeff -Original Message- From: Wendy Smoak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 12:41 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Tomcat and HP-UX 11 I'm slowly progressing on a webapp using the latest and greatest Struts nightly build along with Tomcat 4.1.12 on my Windows 2000 desktop for development. When it's finally finished, it needs to live on a real webserver. Currently, that's an HP-UX 11 box running HP's version of Apache 2.0/Tomcat 3.3. That's not going to work... I need JSP 1.2 and Servlet 2.3 support. I'm not the sysadmin, but typically we seem to stick to installing things that come directly from HP. I'm not clear on all the reasons, but apparently HP-UX is sufficiently different from other Unixes that things don't transfer well. (??) Does anyone have any words of wisdom for me? Is it out of the question to build Tomcat from the source and then convince the existing Apache webserver to cooperate with it? -- Wendy Smoak http://sourceforge.net/projects/unidbtags -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat and HP-UX 11
At 11:41 AM 10/16/02 -0700, Wendy Smoak wrote: When it's finally finished, it needs to live on a real webserver. Fortunately, the platform choices at your disposal are remarkably varied, and most of them are better than HP-UX! Currently, that's an HP-UX 11 box running HP's version of Apache 2.0/Tomcat 3.3. That's not going to work... I need JSP 1.2 and Servlet 2.3 support. Argh! The difficulty with the HP-UX platform (among other things) is that it's most certainly not in the first 'round' of development for things Java. Where Solaris is the 'reference' platform, Linux and Windoze seem to be just about as well-supported. The effort goes where the demand is. So does the support. HP-UX is in that group of hind-enders that get there at some point along the way. Depending upon HP to get things up to snuff is a bad business. Their OS groups are a bit of a shambles, not seeming to have any clear direction that lasts more than six weeks before the 'next great thing that is top priority' comes along. Add to that that nothing ever seems to get done quickly and efficiently at HP, because 'The HP Way' doesn't allow that to happen, and you can figure that you'll be safely off the leading edge. I'm not the sysadmin, but typically we seem to stick to installing things that come directly from HP. I'm not clear on all the reasons, but apparently HP-UX is sufficiently different from other Unixes that things don't transfer well. (??) Well, there is a strong 'brand loyalty' among the PA-RISC community to HP-UX. It's certainly for marketing or 'IT shop stability' reasons, because the technical beauty and even robustness of HP-UX is pretty questionable. Speaking as someone who had the fortune (or misfortune) of being a kernel developer on HP-UX 9 through 11, I have to say that the conglomeration of baling-wire and duct tape code that is HP-UX is about as ugly as the string of business failures that are on Carly Fiorina's *curriculum vitae*. That's not likely to get much better IMHO, now that HP has flushed one of their key HP-UX development laboratories (Florham Park, NJ) together with 90% of the engineers (who were *mostly* from the team that invented System 5 at Bell Labs) right down the toilet. (And yes, I was on that team, but no, I got out a couple of years before it got Fiorina'd.) Does anyone have any words of wisdom for me? Is it out of the question to build Tomcat from the source and then convince the existing Apache webserver to cooperate with it? I think if you look at it from a dollars-and-sense perspective, and take into consideration all of the hassles and costs of sticking with HP-UX for your webserver in the Java environment, you'll quickly conclude that you'll come out ahead financially by spending some few dollars on a decent Intel box with RedHat or SuSe or Caldera. You'll also get away from the ridiculous situation of developing on Win2K on your desktop because (most likely) you're organization can't afford an over-priced PA-RISC machine as a development platform. Any old semi-retired workstation can have a copy of everything you need on it, running Linux, and it will happily sit under your desk on a KVM switch and allow you develop right there on the same type of platform on which you'll deploy. Oh yes, I know Java is 'write once, run anywhere' but you can either keep trying to prove that true or just write it in the run-time environment without testing the idealism. The cost of a Linux server is probably less than 1 day of your time wasted in going round and round trying to make it work on a platform which is going (IMHO) to be further marginalized as its HP continues to thrash about trying to figure out what to do with HP-UX. Even if ALL you do is the JSP/J2EE stuff on that machine for now, it's a good start in having a fall-back plan in case (or until) HP-UX dies the death that it so richly deserves. Of course, you may work in one of those organizations that doesn't count your time as being a valuable asset that can only be spent once, but that's another story... :-) Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat and HP-UX 11
Greg wrote: Argh! The difficulty with the HP-UX platform (among other things) is that it's most certainly not in the first 'round' of development for things Java. Where Solaris is the 'reference' platform, Linux and Windoze seem to be just about as well-supported. The effort goes where the demand is. So does the support. Guess I should hold out for the Solaris box that's supposed to be coming my way... it's currently serving time as a firewall, but we're getting an appliance for that and then it'll be out of a job. There's really no resistance here to whatever I ask for, as long as it's reasonable. We have another HP-UX box I could use for development-- so far it's just been easier to use my desktop which happens to be running Win2k. At home, it's Redhat 7.3, and I've been able to move things back and forth with no problems. I'm the only Java programmer in the department, and I've been left blissfully alone to play with all the new toys you guys at Jakarta have been producing. (I don't know if this would have happened anywhere but in academia, but they seem content to let me experiment and see what comes of it. Even when the Applet Experiment proved to be a dismal failure...) Thanks for your help and advice! I really don't want to get into building Apache and Tomcat myself-- I have enough to worry about getting my own stuff to compile and run. :) -- Wendy Smoak Applications Systems Analyst, Sr. Arizona State University PA Information Resources Management
RE: Tomcat and HP-UX 11
Since you have Apache 2 up and running I would suggest getting rid of the Tomcat 3.3 and point your JK connector to a Apache 4 install. you can download the binaries directly from jakarat and they will work out of the box. begin shamless employee pitch While HP-UX does have its inherent problems, if you have a machine or two you really should not let them out of your sight, especially at ASU since U of A gets all the good stuff. As with every platform you always need to ensure you are up to date on patches and JVM's. www.hp.com/go/java will have patch information and kernel settings. I have had Linux and Windows machines spin out of control just as often as HP-UX boxes. end shamless employee pitch Jeff -Original Message- From: Wendy Smoak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:35 PM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat and HP-UX 11 Greg wrote: Argh! The difficulty with the HP-UX platform (among other things) is that it's most certainly not in the first 'round' of development for things Java. Where Solaris is the 'reference' platform, Linux and Windoze seem to be just about as well-supported. The effort goes where the demand is. So does the support. Guess I should hold out for the Solaris box that's supposed to be coming my way... it's currently serving time as a firewall, but we're getting an appliance for that and then it'll be out of a job. There's really no resistance here to whatever I ask for, as long as it's reasonable. We have another HP-UX box I could use for development-- so far it's just been easier to use my desktop which happens to be running Win2k. At home, it's Redhat 7.3, and I've been able to move things back and forth with no problems. I'm the only Java programmer in the department, and I've been left blissfully alone to play with all the new toys you guys at Jakarta have been producing. (I don't know if this would have happened anywhere but in academia, but they seem content to let me experiment and see what comes of it. Even when the Applet Experiment proved to be a dismal failure...) Thanks for your help and advice! I really don't want to get into building Apache and Tomcat myself-- I have enough to worry about getting my own stuff to compile and run. :) -- Wendy Smoak Applications Systems Analyst, Sr. Arizona State University PA Information Resources Management -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat and HP-UX 11
At 01:34 PM 10/16/02 -0700, Wendy Smoak wrote: I'm the only Java programmer in the department, and I've been left blissfully alone to play with all the new toys you guys at Jakarta have been producing. (I don't know if this would have happened anywhere but in academia, but they seem content to let me experiment and see what comes of it. Even when the Applet Experiment proved to be a dismal failure...) Cool! Why don't you take what you've learned and put together a Special Topics course, either at the upper reaches of under-grad or the graduate level? It can be quite rewarding... Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
