Re: why use mod_webapp?
Hi the reason i see is because you can have more power to extend your application, and besides because it relies on the multi-thier model splitting the roles and leaving the work to the best app to solve it (apache on static content) and tomcat on processing jsp's. You can have several tomcats behind an apache and you dont have to pay for an altheon or an arrow-point to redirect the request for 4 or 5 tomcats on different machines, since mod_jk you have a round robin with stickness that allows you to do the trick for you. It can be seen as the model of 1 http server as a front end (Apache) and serveral app-servers (Tomcat) behind. Juan Carlos - Original Message - From: Dave North [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: RE: why use mod_webapp? Well, ya I know this. But you could still have apache do a re-direct to tomcat on whatever port it's lisening on (say 8080) and get the same result. My own personal opinion is mod_webapp is cleaner but I'm under some pressue to say WHY it's better. Can't really think of any good reasons really. Dave -Original Message- From: Brian Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:23 PM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: why use mod_webapp? same port! port 80 is http (apache) tomcat would then have to run alone on another machine or Virtual IP. the beauty is that we can now SSI jsp/servlet in html and you never bounce to another port or have to add DNS entrees... just a few reasons, you'll get more and better explained. B -Original Message- From: Dave North [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: why use mod_webapp? Hi Folks, I'm already using mod_webapp for handling my tomcat traffic via apache. My question from a guy here is why do we do this and not just create a simple re-direct page? ie. create a directory with a 1 line HTML page in it that re-directs to the tomcat HTTP server. Are there other advantages to using the WARP connector? Thanks Dave Dave North SIGNIANT Inc. Trusted Data Transfer Services www.signiant.com Phone: 613-761-3623 Fax: 613-761-3629 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: why use mod_webapp?
same port! port 80 is http (apache) tomcat would then have to run alone on another machine or Virtual IP. the beauty is that we can now SSI jsp/servlet in html and you never bounce to another port or have to add DNS entrees... just a few reasons, you'll get more and better explained. B -Original Message- From: Dave North [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: why use mod_webapp? Hi Folks, I'm already using mod_webapp for handling my tomcat traffic via apache. My question from a guy here is why do we do this and not just create a simple re-direct page? ie. create a directory with a 1 line HTML page in it that re-directs to the tomcat HTTP server. Are there other advantages to using the WARP connector? Thanks Dave Dave North SIGNIANT Inc. Trusted Data Transfer Services www.signiant.com Phone: 613-761-3623 Fax: 613-761-3629 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: why use mod_webapp?
Well, ya I know this. But you could still have apache do a re-direct to tomcat on whatever port it's lisening on (say 8080) and get the same result. My own personal opinion is mod_webapp is cleaner but I'm under some pressue to say WHY it's better. Can't really think of any good reasons really. Dave -Original Message- From: Brian Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:23 PM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: why use mod_webapp? same port! port 80 is http (apache) tomcat would then have to run alone on another machine or Virtual IP. the beauty is that we can now SSI jsp/servlet in html and you never bounce to another port or have to add DNS entrees... just a few reasons, you'll get more and better explained. B -Original Message- From: Dave North [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: why use mod_webapp? Hi Folks, I'm already using mod_webapp for handling my tomcat traffic via apache. My question from a guy here is why do we do this and not just create a simple re-direct page? ie. create a directory with a 1 line HTML page in it that re-directs to the tomcat HTTP server. Are there other advantages to using the WARP connector? Thanks Dave Dave North SIGNIANT Inc. Trusted Data Transfer Services www.signiant.com Phone: 613-761-3623 Fax: 613-761-3629 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: why use mod_webapp?
How about firewalls that most companies have that do not allow insternet traffic on a port different then 80 ? Could be a lot of users that you are missing that way ;) Mvgr, Martin -Original Message- From: Dave North [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 21:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: why use mod_webapp? Hi Folks, I'm already using mod_webapp for handling my tomcat traffic via apache. My question from a guy here is why do we do this and not just create a simple re-direct page? ie. create a directory with a 1 line HTML page in it that re-directs to the tomcat HTTP server. Are there other advantages to using the WARP connector? Thanks Dave Dave North SIGNIANT Inc. Trusted Data Transfer Services www.signiant.com Phone: 613-761-3623 Fax: 613-761-3629 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why use mod_webapp?
I think for one that will find that mod_webapp is going to be fast at handling request than a html redirect page. Also if you planning to use a SSL enabled server, it is a lot easier to lock down a single apache server than it is to lock down an apache server and tomcat server. Again I think that you will find that letting Apache handle the SSL will give you better performance than Tomcat/SSL will. You should also look at maintainability, if you have a large web site with many, many directories, do you really want to maintain all of those redirect pages. What if your server name and ip address changes. Dave North wrote: Well, ya I know this. But you could still have apache do a re-direct to tomcat on whatever port it's lisening on (say 8080) and get the same result. My own personal opinion is mod_webapp is cleaner but I'm under some pressue to say WHY it's better. Can't really think of any good reasons really. Dave -Original Message- From: Brian Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:23 PM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: why use mod_webapp? same port! port 80 is http (apache) tomcat would then have to run alone on another machine or Virtual IP. the beauty is that we can now SSI jsp/servlet in html and you never bounce to another port or have to add DNS entrees... just a few reasons, you'll get more and better explained. B -Original Message- From: Dave North [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: why use mod_webapp? Hi Folks, I'm already using mod_webapp for handling my tomcat traffic via apache. My question from a guy here is why do we do this and not just create a simple re-direct page? ie. create a directory with a 1 line HTML page in it that re-directs to the tomcat HTTP server. Are there other advantages to using the WARP connector? Thanks Dave Dave North SIGNIANT Inc. Trusted Data Transfer Services www.signiant.com Phone: 613-761-3623 Fax: 613-761-3629 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Denny Chambers Quantum Corporation, Inc. Network Attached Storage Division Java Linux Engineer Phone: 251-478-5730 Cell: 251-605-3446 IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: why use mod_webapp?
Deducing Why install apache? just put all your html and images in tomcat. I mean what is the point, right? The point is loosely coupled technologies that can be seperated and mananaged by the appropriate people. html on apache can handle serving static content faster than Tomcat. B -Original Message- From: Dave North [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:27 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: why use mod_webapp? Well, ya I know this. But you could still have apache do a re-direct to tomcat on whatever port it's lisening on (say 8080) and get the same result. My own personal opinion is mod_webapp is cleaner but I'm under some pressue to say WHY it's better. Can't really think of any good reasons really. Dave -Original Message- From: Brian Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:23 PM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: why use mod_webapp? same port! port 80 is http (apache) tomcat would then have to run alone on another machine or Virtual IP. the beauty is that we can now SSI jsp/servlet in html and you never bounce to another port or have to add DNS entrees... just a few reasons, you'll get more and better explained. B -Original Message- From: Dave North [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: why use mod_webapp? Hi Folks, I'm already using mod_webapp for handling my tomcat traffic via apache. My question from a guy here is why do we do this and not just create a simple re-direct page? ie. create a directory with a 1 line HTML page in it that re-directs to the tomcat HTTP server. Are there other advantages to using the WARP connector? Thanks Dave Dave North SIGNIANT Inc. Trusted Data Transfer Services www.signiant.com Phone: 613-761-3623 Fax: 613-761-3629 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why use mod_webapp?
Just a few points to ponder at (may not be the best explanation) when you use a redirect instead of Apache forwarding the request to Tomcat (only listing the disadvantages): 1) First Apache can handle only static pages (and ofcourse SSI). So a redirect would mean a client side redirect. And that is with a META Refresh= or a via Javascript window.location. The browser on seeing a META tag issues a *GET* request. Your *one* simple request turns out to actually *two* requests. Implies slower response time. Ofcourse unless you write CGI (perl) programs to handle form data. But then you don't need Tomcat. 2) You need to keep track of which servlet (or jsp) to redirect to. So this mean a complex html page with a lot of javascript if you plan to use a single redirect page. Infact don't you think it would be a lot easier to append the port (8080 - assuming Tomcat listens on port 8080) in the URL. So when users click on a link which is handled by a servlet, it goes straight to Tomcat. But this means opening a port 8080 in your firewall. Or better still just use Tomcat! You don't need Apache. I bet you can think of a lot more reasons. And I also bet there will be a lot more reasons that will be posted on this list :-) Hope my two cents helped. Thanks. RS Dave North [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/31/2002 02:21:12 PM Please respond to Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: why use mod_webapp? Hi Folks, I'm already using mod_webapp for handling my tomcat traffic via apache. My question from a guy here is why do we do this and not just create a simple re-direct page? ie. create a directory with a 1 line HTML page in it that re-directs to the tomcat HTTP server. Are there other advantages to using the WARP connector? Thanks Dave Dave North SIGNIANT Inc. Trusted Data Transfer Services www.signiant.com Phone: 613-761-3623 Fax: 613-761-3629 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why use mod_webapp?
Hi Folks, I'm already using mod_webapp for handling my tomcat traffic via apache. My question from a guy here is why do we do this and not just create a simple re-direct page? ie. create a directory with a 1 line HTML page in it that re-directs to the tomcat HTTP server. Are there other advantages to using the WARP connector? In fact, a better way to do it would be to use the proxy capacities of apache to redirect (internally) to tomcat so you don't have to use mod_webapp and don't have to worry about open ports. But maybe you don't want your tomcat to have http at all ? pkr -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
