RE: License Reason using JRE(RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue)
Hi, I heard that Sun JDK can redistributed for commercial use with no changes. You heard? ;) Can you please point to an official confirmation of this? Is lisence reason not that unable to redestribute full JDK but also that unable(or difficult) to extract part of JDK ? No. Only the license. There are no other difficulties and the JDK is preferable to the JRE for developers because of its additional debugging tools. Yoav This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: License Reason using JRE(RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue)
Hi, thanks to reply. I heard that Sun JDK can redistributed for commercial use with no changes. You heard? ;) Can you please point to an official confirmation of this? I only know the Sun JDK license document. http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/jdk-1_5_0-license.txt - C. License to Distribute Redistributables Sun grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license without fees to reproduce and distribute those files specifically identified as redistributable in the Software README file (Redistributables) README file say that there are some optional files but full is OK. Other part of license.txt show some conditions(no change, confirm license etc..). It seem that redistributed is OK for me. but, I am not familiar with license things. so, I ask my acquaintances who know such things. They said redistribute is OK. Shinji Miyamoto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: License Reason using JRE(RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue)
With a lot of software that is free to download, the main point is that the end user agrees to the license of the original owner (in this case SUN). If one was to embed or include a package in such a way to circumvent the EULA, then the end user could reverse engineer protected software without knowing it. Or change name and charge for it. So if you simply include the JDK as a separate file, to be installed as if downloaded, you should be meeting the requirement. In effect you are simply saving the end user the hassle of downloading the JDK. I am NOT a lawyer and this is a personal opinion that should be taken at the value of the paper it is written on. Doug - Original Message - From: muimi admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:25 PM Subject: RE: License Reason using JRE(RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue) Hi, thanks to reply. I heard that Sun JDK can redistributed for commercial use with no changes. You heard? ;) Can you please point to an official confirmation of this? I only know the Sun JDK license document. http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/jdk-1_5_0-license.txt - C. License to Distribute Redistributables Sun grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license without fees to reproduce and distribute those files specifically identified as redistributable in the Software README file (Redistributables) README file say that there are some optional files but full is OK. Other part of license.txt show some conditions(no change, confirm license etc..). It seem that redistributed is OK for me. but, I am not familiar with license things. so, I ask my acquaintances who know such things. They said redistribute is OK. Shinji Miyamoto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
License Reason using JRE(RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue)
hi, it is that anyone can redistribute a JRE for commercial use, but not a JDK. The latter is a license violation I heard that Sun JDK can redistributed for commercial use with no changes. So if you're creating a shrink-wrapped product, you can't bundle the JDK with it (unless you get a special license and pay royalties to Sun), but you can the JRE. If mentioned to Sun JDK, Is lisence reason not that unable to redestribute full JDK but also that unable(or difficult) to extract part of JDK ? (of course, It is nice that we don't need worry about the JDK) Shinji Miyamoto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
One aside, the script (batch file) has an exit statement on the case where the JDK is not detected. This results in a mysterious window closing which causes a lot of hair pulling. George Sexton MH Software, Inc. http://www.mhsoftware.com/ Voice: 303 438 9585 -Original Message- From: Remy Maucherat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:04 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:46:38 -0500, Hubble, Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does one precompile the JSPs? Then I should be able to use TC with just a JRE, correct? Once TC is deployed, there should not be any need for changes to it, so it's fine to precompile the JSPs. Some JSP 2.0 features prevent precompilation, so, with Jasper, you cannot claim compliance without a Java compiler. So I can only recommend using TC 5.5 if you want to use a JRE. Note that the shell scripts will still complain about not having a JDK, as they have options which use JDK features. We have not decided what to do about that at the moment, but you can easily edit the script to bypass the check. -- x Rémy Maucherat Developer Consultant JBoss Group (Europe) SàRL x - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
I simply commented out the lines checking for javac and jdb. This seems to work. Chris -Original Message- From: George Sexton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:19 PM To: 'Tomcat Users List'; 'Remy Maucherat' Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue One aside, the script (batch file) has an exit statement on the case where the JDK is not detected. This results in a mysterious window closing which causes a lot of hair pulling. George Sexton MH Software, Inc. http://www.mhsoftware.com/ Voice: 303 438 9585 -Original Message- From: Remy Maucherat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:04 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:46:38 -0500, Hubble, Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does one precompile the JSPs? Then I should be able to use TC with just a JRE, correct? Once TC is deployed, there should not be any need for changes to it, so it's fine to precompile the JSPs. Some JSP 2.0 features prevent precompilation, so, with Jasper, you cannot claim compliance without a Java compiler. So I can only recommend using TC 5.5 if you want to use a JRE. Note that the shell scripts will still complain about not having a JDK, as they have options which use JDK features. We have not decided what to do about that at the moment, but you can easily edit the script to bypass the check. -- x Rémy Maucherat Developer Consultant JBoss Group (Europe) SàRL x - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
does the client machine have JAVA_HOME as an environment variable? -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Developers of QuickAddress Software a href=http://www.qas.com;www.qas.com/a Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
Hi, Both Tomcat 4.x and 5.0 require the JDK. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
Why is that? Chris -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:19 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Hi, Both Tomcat 4.x and 5.0 require the JDK. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
because it has to compile JSPs into Servlets etc.. -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:15 To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Why is that? Chris -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:19 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Hi, Both Tomcat 4.x and 5.0 require the JDK. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Developers of QuickAddress Software a href=http://www.qas.com;www.qas.com/a Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
Chris: I think TC requires the JDK (not just the JRE) so that it can compile JSPs. If this doesn't make sense, I can explain further. -Anthony Carlos On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Allistair Crossley wrote: does the client machine have JAVA_HOME as an environment variable? -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Developers of QuickAddress Software a href=http://www.qas.com;www.qas.com/a Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
Hi, Because a compiler is required to compile JSP pages into class bytecode. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:15 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Why is that? Chris -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:19 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Hi, Both Tomcat 4.x and 5.0 require the JDK. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
Damn! I was minutes away from actually helping someone (instead of always sucking up advice from the fast experts on this list)... On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:23 AM, Anthony E. Carlos wrote: Chris: I think TC requires the JDK (not just the JRE) so that it can compile JSPs. If this doesn't make sense, I can explain further. -Anthony Carlos On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Allistair Crossley wrote: does the client machine have JAVA_HOME as an environment variable? -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Developers of QuickAddress Software a href=http://www.qas.com;www.qas.com/a Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
Feel free to explain. :) Chris -Original Message- From: Anthony E. Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Chris: I think TC requires the JDK (not just the JRE) so that it can compile JSPs. If this doesn't make sense, I can explain further. -Anthony Carlos On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Allistair Crossley wrote: does the client machine have JAVA_HOME as an environment variable? -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Developers of QuickAddress Software a href=http://www.qas.com;www.qas.com/a Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
go on Anthony .. you deserve it :) lol -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:20 To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Feel free to explain. :) Chris -Original Message- From: Anthony E. Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Chris: I think TC requires the JDK (not just the JRE) so that it can compile JSPs. If this doesn't make sense, I can explain further. -Anthony Carlos On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Allistair Crossley wrote: does the client machine have JAVA_HOME as an environment variable? -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Developers of QuickAddress Software a href=http://www.qas.com;www.qas.com/a Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
Chris, JSP pages get compiled into bytecode (as Yoav just said) as they are requested. So, the server requires the SDK, including javac to do the compiling. --Dan -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:20 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Feel free to explain. :) Chris -Original Message- From: Anthony E. Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Chris: I think TC requires the JDK (not just the JRE) so that it can compile JSPs. If this doesn't make sense, I can explain further. -Anthony Carlos On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Allistair Crossley wrote: does the client machine have JAVA_HOME as an environment variable? -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Developers of QuickAddress Software a href=http://www.qas.com;www.qas.com/a Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
yes unless you do JSP precompilation where you compile your JSPs into servlets before hand. A servlet is the bytecode class that all these guys are talking about. JSP is not a language per se either, it's an interpreted language like PHP that mixes HTML and Java code. The compilation phase merges the HTML and Java and so fourth into a Java class called a Servlet. This is what runs your request from the browser and sends the response back to the user. Allistair -Original Message- From: Wick, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:35 To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Chris, JSP pages get compiled into bytecode (as Yoav just said) as they are requested. So, the server requires the SDK, including javac to do the compiling. --Dan -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:20 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Feel free to explain. :) Chris -Original Message- From: Anthony E. Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Chris: I think TC requires the JDK (not just the JRE) so that it can compile JSPs. If this doesn't make sense, I can explain further. -Anthony Carlos On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Allistair Crossley wrote: does the client machine have JAVA_HOME as an environment variable? -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Developers of QuickAddress Software a href=http://www.qas.com;www.qas.com/a Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Correct me if I'm wrong. One of the things the JDK brings that the JRE does not is tools.jar which contains com.sun.tools.javac, which is needed to compile JSPs. It might be possible to use the JRE as long as you have tools.jar from the JDK somewhere in your classpath. It seems like I saw a thread related to this a while ago, although I don't know if it works. Is there a compelling reason to want to use the JRE rather than the full JDK? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/16/2004 7:35:02 AM Chris, JSP pages get compiled into bytecode (as Yoav just said) as they are requested. So, the server requires the SDK, including javac to do the compiling. --Dan -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:20 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Feel free to explain. :) Chris -Original Message- From: Anthony E. Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Chris: I think TC requires the JDK (not just the JRE) so that it can compile JSPs. If this doesn't make sense, I can explain further. -Anthony Carlos On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Allistair Crossley wrote: does the client machine have JAVA_HOME as an environment variable? -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Developers of QuickAddress Software a href=http://www.qas.com;A href=http://www.qas.comwww.qas.com/a Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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JSP technology is an extension of the servlet technology created to support authoring of HTML and XML pages. If you've ever written servlets, you know what a tremendous pain it is to write and maintain all those out.println() statements. JSP was designed to allow more HTML-centric (aka presentation-side) people to create pages that get turned into servlets that are compiled into bytecode for the java interpreter to interpret. If you peek around the work directory, you'll find an XXX_jsp.java and an XXX_jsp.class file for every JSP. That's why a JRE isn't enough-- you need a compiler from the JDK to compile the JSP into servlets. Phew! HTH, -Anthony On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:27 AM, Allistair Crossley wrote: go on Anthony .. you deserve it :) lol -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:20 To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Feel free to explain. :) Chris -Original Message- From: Anthony E. Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Chris: I think TC requires the JDK (not just the JRE) so that it can compile JSPs. If this doesn't make sense, I can explain further. -Anthony Carlos On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Allistair Crossley wrote: does the client machine have JAVA_HOME as an environment variable? -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Developers of QuickAddress Software a href=http://www.qas.com;www.qas.com/a Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
I have experienced the need in the past to drop tools.jar into tomcat's common/lib folder but not in 5.0.28 or 5.5. Perhaps you're right. -Original Message- From: David Boyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Correct me if I'm wrong. One of the things the JDK brings that the JRE does not is tools.jar which contains com.sun.tools.javac, which is needed to compile JSPs. It might be possible to use the JRE as long as you have tools.jar from the JDK somewhere in your classpath. It seems like I saw a thread related to this a while ago, although I don't know if it works. Is there a compelling reason to want to use the JRE rather than the full JDK? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/16/2004 7:35:02 AM Chris, JSP pages get compiled into bytecode (as Yoav just said) as they are requested. So, the server requires the SDK, including javac to do the compiling. --Dan -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:20 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Feel free to explain. :) Chris -Original Message- From: Anthony E. Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Chris: I think TC requires the JDK (not just the JRE) so that it can compile JSPs. If this doesn't make sense, I can explain further. -Anthony Carlos On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Allistair Crossley wrote: does the client machine have JAVA_HOME as an environment variable? -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Developers of QuickAddress Software a href=http://www.qas.com;A href=http://www.qas.comwww.qas.com/a Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Due to other programs that we install on the client machine, the JRE is installed. I was hoping to just use that in order to minimize the changes to our other programs and setups. Do you know where I could find more information about using tools.jar? Chris -Original Message- From: David Boyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Correct me if I'm wrong. One of the things the JDK brings that the JRE does not is tools.jar which contains com.sun.tools.javac, which is needed to compile JSPs. It might be possible to use the JRE as long as you have tools.jar from the JDK somewhere in your classpath. It seems like I saw a thread related to this a while ago, although I don't know if it works. Is there a compelling reason to want to use the JRE rather than the full JDK? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/16/2004 7:35:02 AM Chris, JSP pages get compiled into bytecode (as Yoav just said) as they are requested. So, the server requires the SDK, including javac to do the compiling. --Dan -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:20 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Feel free to explain. :) Chris -Original Message- From: Anthony E. Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Chris: I think TC requires the JDK (not just the JRE) so that it can compile JSPs. If this doesn't make sense, I can explain further. -Anthony Carlos On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Allistair Crossley wrote: does the client machine have JAVA_HOME as an environment variable? -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Developers of QuickAddress Software a href=http://www.qas.com;A href=http://www.qas.comwww.qas.com/a Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
Hi, One of the things the JDK brings that the JRE does not is tools.jar which contains com.sun.tools.javac, which is needed to compile JSPs. Correct. It might be possible to use the JRE as long as you have tools.jar from the JDK somewhere in your classpath. It seems like I saw a thread related to this a while ago, although I don't know if it works. It does for many cases, but not all (there are tricky classloader-related cases if using a JRE/lib/ext or sealed jar), and that's why it's not recommended now and was never officially supported. Is there a compelling reason to want to use the JRE rather than the full JDK? There are two that come to mind. One is that the JRE is smaller, lighter in footprint, and easier to install. The second is probably more significant, and it is that anyone can redistribute a JRE for commercial use, but not a JDK. The latter is a license violation. So if you're creating a shrink-wrapped product, you can't bundle the JDK with it (unless you get a special license and pay royalties to Sun), but you can the JRE. This is a good reason for JSP pre-compilation in and of itself. All of the above applies only to the Sun JDK and JRE. There are alternatives, such as the IBM, JRockit, Blackdown JDKs, and the Jikes compiler. Tomcat works with all of these, and they have different license restrictions for redistributions. Of course, Tomcat 5.5 largely avoids this issue altogether. Tomcat 5.5 requires only a JRE, and bundles Eclipse's JDT compiler, which is free for redistribution. So you can bundle Tomcat 5.5 with a JRE, not pre-compile JSPs, and still be able to sell your package without violating any license or paying any royalties. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
tools.jar is already in common/lib. How do I get Tomcat to start w/o loading the JRE? Can I just modify the catalina.bat file? Chris -Original Message- From: Allistair Crossley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:45 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I have experienced the need in the past to drop tools.jar into tomcat's common/lib folder but not in 5.0.28 or 5.5. Perhaps you're right. -Original Message- From: David Boyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Correct me if I'm wrong. One of the things the JDK brings that the JRE does not is tools.jar which contains com.sun.tools.javac, which is needed to compile JSPs. It might be possible to use the JRE as long as you have tools.jar from the JDK somewhere in your classpath. It seems like I saw a thread related to this a while ago, although I don't know if it works. Is there a compelling reason to want to use the JRE rather than the full JDK? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/16/2004 7:35:02 AM Chris, JSP pages get compiled into bytecode (as Yoav just said) as they are requested. So, the server requires the SDK, including javac to do the compiling. --Dan -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:20 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Feel free to explain. :) Chris -Original Message- From: Anthony E. Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Chris: I think TC requires the JDK (not just the JRE) so that it can compile JSPs. If this doesn't make sense, I can explain further. -Anthony Carlos On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Allistair Crossley wrote: does the client machine have JAVA_HOME as an environment variable? -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue I'm trying to run Tomcat 5.0.28 on W2k client machine. On my machine, it runs fine, with no problems. But when I copy it over to the client machine, which has the 1.4.2_05 JRE on it, Tomcat won't run, and says that it requires the JDK. Why is this, and is there a workaround, or do I have to install the JDK? I don't remember having this issue with 4.x. Is it 5.x specific? TIA. Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Developers of QuickAddress Software a href=http://www.qas.com;A href=http://www.qas.comwww.qas.com/a Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
How does one precompile the JSPs? Then I should be able to use TC with just a JRE, correct? Once TC is deployed, there should not be any need for changes to it, so it's fine to precompile the JSPs. Chris -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:50 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Hi, One of the things the JDK brings that the JRE does not is tools.jar which contains com.sun.tools.javac, which is needed to compile JSPs. Correct. It might be possible to use the JRE as long as you have tools.jar from the JDK somewhere in your classpath. It seems like I saw a thread related to this a while ago, although I don't know if it works. It does for many cases, but not all (there are tricky classloader-related cases if using a JRE/lib/ext or sealed jar), and that's why it's not recommended now and was never officially supported. Is there a compelling reason to want to use the JRE rather than the full JDK? There are two that come to mind. One is that the JRE is smaller, lighter in footprint, and easier to install. The second is probably more significant, and it is that anyone can redistribute a JRE for commercial use, but not a JDK. The latter is a license violation. So if you're creating a shrink-wrapped product, you can't bundle the JDK with it (unless you get a special license and pay royalties to Sun), but you can the JRE. This is a good reason for JSP pre-compilation in and of itself. All of the above applies only to the Sun JDK and JRE. There are alternatives, such as the IBM, JRockit, Blackdown JDKs, and the Jikes compiler. Tomcat works with all of these, and they have different license restrictions for redistributions. Of course, Tomcat 5.5 largely avoids this issue altogether. Tomcat 5.5 requires only a JRE, and bundles Eclipse's JDT compiler, which is free for redistribution. So you can bundle Tomcat 5.5 with a JRE, not pre-compile JSPs, and still be able to sell your package without violating any license or paying any royalties. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
Hi, How does one precompile the JSPs? Then I should be able to use TC with RTFM at http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.0-doc/jasper-howto.html. a JRE, correct? Once TC is deployed, there should not be any need for changes to it, so it's fine to precompile the JSPs. That depends on your scenario. If only deploy once and ship, then yeah. But if you (or your users, or your server admin) can change JSPs after shipping the app, you still need the JDK. Tomcat supports a very wide variety of use-cases. Now that you know more than enough about JDK vs JRE you should be able to make the call given your user requirements ;) Yoav This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks for the info. It looks like I won't need the JDK after all. One last question. How do I get TC to not blow up about using a JRE? Can I just comment out the lines checking for javac.exe, or will that break other things? Chris -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:59 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Hi, How does one precompile the JSPs? Then I should be able to use TC with RTFM at http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.0-doc/jasper-howto.html. a JRE, correct? Once TC is deployed, there should not be any need for changes to it, so it's fine to precompile the JSPs. That depends on your scenario. If only deploy once and ship, then yeah. But if you (or your users, or your server admin) can change JSPs after shipping the app, you still need the JDK. Tomcat supports a very wide variety of use-cases. Now that you know more than enough about JDK vs JRE you should be able to make the call given your user requirements ;) Yoav This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:46:38 -0500, Hubble, Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does one precompile the JSPs? Then I should be able to use TC with just a JRE, correct? Once TC is deployed, there should not be any need for changes to it, so it's fine to precompile the JSPs. Some JSP 2.0 features prevent precompilation, so, with Jasper, you cannot claim compliance without a Java compiler. So I can only recommend using TC 5.5 if you want to use a JRE. Note that the shell scripts will still complain about not having a JDK, as they have options which use JDK features. We have not decided what to do about that at the moment, but you can easily edit the script to bypass the check. -- x Rémy Maucherat Developer Consultant JBoss Group (Europe) SàRL x - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue
Well, I just finished changing the scripts to not worry about the JDK, and everything seems to be working okay. I'm off to do some testing. Thanks to everyone for the help. Chris -Original Message- From: Hubble, Christopher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:56 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Thanks for the info. It looks like I won't need the JDK after all. One last question. How do I get TC to not blow up about using a JRE? Can I just comment out the lines checking for javac.exe, or will that break other things? Chris -Original Message- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:59 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Tomcat JRE vs JDK Issue Hi, How does one precompile the JSPs? Then I should be able to use TC with RTFM at http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.0-doc/jasper-howto.html. a JRE, correct? Once TC is deployed, there should not be any need for changes to it, so it's fine to precompile the JSPs. That depends on your scenario. If only deploy once and ship, then yeah. But if you (or your users, or your server admin) can change JSPs after shipping the app, you still need the JDK. Tomcat supports a very wide variety of use-cases. Now that you know more than enough about JDK vs JRE you should be able to make the call given your user requirements ;) Yoav This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
