(I tried to reply to the new PHP thingy mail before, but my mails
bounced. Resubscribed and trying again)
Since the switch to the new FastCGI PHP wrapper, I observe some
problems with my tools:
1. When using the gzip output handler (default on my tools), output
dies after a screen or two with:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Daniel Kinzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James R. schrieb:
All bots and other tools are now run on nightshade, leaving hemlock for all
apache jobs.
There is no problem with nightshade's speed, it is perfect :)
Regards,
James R.
That is not so helpful when
My tools work fine there, as far as I can see.
Magnus
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:14 PM, River Tarnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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hi,
i'm currently evaluating a new web server on hemlock. please, help test it
(especially with complex .htaccess,
Wrote that a year ago:
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/TemplateLink/
But, as with all my extensions, I don't have the time and will to push
24/7, and noone else cares, so...
Magnus
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Conrad Irwin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That would
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de wrote:
Magnus Manske schrieb:
I agree about Semantic MediaWiki, which is a different beast (and
might one day be used on Wikipedia).
That's really the question. Should we work *now* on making it usable for
wikipedia
geohack appears to be working .I'm traveling so no in-depth tests from
me this week...
Magnus
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:41 PM, River Tarnell
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just a quick reminder, i'm still waiting for confirmation
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:12 PM, DaB.w...@daniel.baur4.info wrote:
Hello,
Am Montag 27 Juli 2009 14:03:32 schrieb Magnus Manske:
Email to ts-adm...@toolserver.org, April 17, titled Stable TS:
Am Montag 27 Juli 2009 14:04:06 schrieb Magnus Manske:
Also,
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:04 PM, DaB.w...@daniel.baur4.info wrote:
Hello,
Am Montag 27 Juli 2009 14:24:32 schrieb Magnus Manske:
And since April, noone could invest 5 secs to reply to these two
queries, even if it's use JIRA ... why?
ok, it was my fault. Is now everybody happy?
I wasn't
YES! Fantastic!
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Daniel Kinzlerdan...@brightbyte.de wrote:
Hi all.
The Wikimedia Foundation has approved a grant of $40,000 towards improving the
Toolserver’s reliability. With that money, we'll by three database servers, so
we can keep two copies of each
While I was on vacation, my CommonsHelper stopped working for direct
upload. Here's what happens:
* CommonsHelper (PHP) downloads an image to /tmp
* CommonsHelper invokes upload bot written in Perl
* Perl dies:
Can't open file /tmp/chHHaikY-dir/dummy.jpg : No such file or
directory at
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:07 PM, River Tarnell
ri...@loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk wrote:
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River, can you please take a look at this?
we have 5 Toolserver admins who are quite capable of investigating
problems; not everything
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:58 PM, River Tarnell
ri...@loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk wrote:
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Jan Luca:
How can I run become in a SFTP-Client?
you need to upload the files as your own user then copy them to the
project account.
Or become user,
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this maintenance is now finished and sql is available again.
nightshade doesn't seem to agree:
mag...@nightshade:~$ sql dewiki_p
ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote:
==Watch a category of articles==
2010 is election year in Sweden, so I want to keep an eye on all
articles in category:Swedish politicians, in recursive levels.
I now do this on a weekly basis, using CatScan,
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote:
Which extension is it?
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/geo/ ?
Actually, most of it seems to be in
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/gis/
The first step should be to make
Hi,
I know there are lots'o'files for daily (hourly?) pageview stats on
the toolserver.
Are there aggregated counts for the whole month? So I only have to
check 1 file instead of hundreds (the aggregated file would, of
course, be smaller than the concatenated hourly ones).
Or maybe even as a
I see NPG, reloaded coming our way...
Note that Commons already has plenty of images from at least some of
these museums, e.g.:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Van_Gogh_Museum
For the rest, we could just ask them now that Google has put images
online, can we too?, then go and take our own
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Kolossos tim.al...@s2002.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
You can make your own pictures if you have
a 7 Gigapixel camera ;-)
I can make my own pictures if I have a 6 megapixel camera as well. I
just can't make /the same/ pictures as Google, at least not easily.
The
Hi,
I have a wrapper script that starts a handful of jobs on the
toolserver (via qsub). But, when I put that wrapper script as a
normal cronjob, I get some error messages about qsub not found.
Starting the wrapper via cronsub doesn't work either.
Anyone: What do I have to put in my .environment
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:10 PM, River Tarnell r.tarn...@ieee.org wrote:
In article slrnimkfjp.fte.sa...@saper.info,
Marcin Cieslak sa...@saper.info wrote:
Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
I have a wrapper script that starts a handful of jobs on the
toolserver (via qsub
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:37 AM, River Tarnell r.tarn...@ieee.org wrote:
In article aanlktiknfjfxqdvgzcj63hz90v_xpmkqvu145yj+p...@mail.gmail.com,
Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
OK, so I gave up on starting my perl script using cronsub, which seems
to work only if I give
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM, River Tarnell r.tarn...@ieee.org wrote:
In article AANLkTi=cdpcjx_znz04wxmqiw6ssvz3nphywu7-oj...@mail.gmail.com,
Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
cronsub update_dupes /home/magnus/update_dupes.pl
qsub: Unknown option
qsub: Unknown option
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Marcin Cieslak sa...@saper.info wrote:
Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:37 AM, River Tarnell r.tarn...@ieee.org wrote:
In article aanlktiknfjfxqdvgzcj63hz90v_xpmkqvu145yj+p...@mail.gmail.com,
Magnus Manske magnusman
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Marcin Cieslak sa...@saper.info wrote:
Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Ilmari Karonen nos...@vyznev.net wrote:
On 02/28/2011 01:00 PM, Magnus Manske wrote:
OK, so I gave up on starting my perl script using
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Magnus Manske wrote:
I understand that, and I didn't say lfs was better (it has plenty of
its own quirks), or that SGE was a bad choice - it seems to run well
enough, all things considered. It's just that things like SGE
Can't lon into nightshade or willow (ssh keeps asking for password).
http://toolserver.org/ does not responsive.
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On 8 August 2011 19:15, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
Can't lon into nightshade or willow (ssh keeps asking for password).
http://toolserver.org/ does not responsive.
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On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:39 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
K. Peachey wrote:
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
* http://status.toolserver.org/ is broken
s/broken/hasn't been manually updated/
No, it's broken. You can click edit this page and view
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 9, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Magnus Manske wrote:
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:39 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
K. Peachey wrote:
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
* http
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 5:42 PM, DaB. w...@daniel.baur4.info wrote:
Hello all,
during the last week I kept an eye on the database-servers and killed queries
which had run for too long. In the past we had a programm for that, but
somewhen it stoped working and nobody fixed it AFAIK.
Because
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:12 PM, DaB. w...@daniel.baur4.info wrote:
At Sunday 14 August 2011 21:10:26 DaB. wrote:
Does anybody have a good suggestion what wiki to use for s3?
dawiki is the largest wikipedia on it, but I think it will have very
little edits during the night in Europe.
I use
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:39 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl wrote:
Ah, you are the one who killed the categorization bot. Thanks for
announcing that beforehand (not!). It's very annoying that you suddenly
just
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:35 PM, RYU Cheol rch...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, folks!
Pagecounts is available on toolserver database? I found Magnus have it for
en and de in u_magnus_popular_p to
serve http://toolserver.org/~magnus/toptopics.php.
These are just a tiny subset. The popular articles,
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Daniel Schwen li...@schwen.de wrote:
Sure, I was a bit sloppy with the terminology, but the message still
stands. Even in an emergency, please think about _priorities_. Five
minutes taken
There you go:
http://toolserver.org/~magnus/transparent.php
Magnus
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Ryan Kaldari kald...@gmail.com wrote:
Could someone write a tool that allows me to search for the most
recently active users on a certain project who speak a certain
language (or combination
2011/9/22 René Kijewski kijew...@inf.fu-berlin.de:
Am Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:48:58 -0400
schrieb Hersfold hersfoldw...@gmail.com:
I've gotten this failure message the last two time my bot has tried
to run. Does any one know what might be causing this? I don't
recognize the script it mentions.
The server at www.toolserver.org is taking too long to respond.
Also, no ssh (I tried nightshade).
Magnus
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On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote:
Marlen Caemmerer wrote:
Rosemary (one of the enwiki-DB-Hosts) seems to bring the maximum of the I/O
that is possible, disk graphs are clipping there.
In the MySQL traffic graph you can see there is clipping too.
Strange
I am now getting mails like this:
Unable to run job: error: no suitable queues.
Exiting.
Haven't touched my cron settings for months...
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Hey Magnus,
since when are they coming? Are they related to the databases s2 or s5?
Cheers
nosy
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Magnus Manske wrote:
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:09:59
From: Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: toolserver-l@lists.wikimedia.org
To: toolserver-l
for this reason.
Everything should be back since yesterday so if there is still a problem
please let me know.
Cheers
nosy
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Magnus Manske wrote:
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:29:38
From: Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: toolserver-l
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Marlen Caemmerer
marlen.caemme...@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi,
Which script does generate which error?
I got three messages on three days (it seems to have stopped now), all
like this:
Cron magnus@nightshade cd /home/magnus/cronjobs ; ./all_most_wanted.pl
to magnus
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:45 AM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote:
Mine is betacommand
And one more (magnus):
Unable to run job: got no response from JSV script
/sge62/default/common/jsv.sh.
Exiting.
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Page loads fine in the UK, but I am quite familiar with the 502 error,
which, on certain days, shows up on every second request or so. Might
be coincidence, though.
Magnus
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:02 PM, AleXXw alexx...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
Right now: 502 Bad Gateway, when I'm in I get a
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Magnus Manske
magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi all,
on my talk page, [[User:Pathoschild]] raised the idea of allowing
OpenID authentication to operate toolserver tools that currently
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Merlijn van Deen valhall...@arctus.nl wrote:
On 21 May 2012 23:52, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote:
This madness has to stop. Wikisource depends on this service.
I understand the German toolserver is beyond repair, but
phe's statistics scripts should be
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote:
On 22/05/12 11:22, Merlijn van Deen wrote:
How do we make sure tools do not disappear? By making multi-maintainer
projects for them. However, we see that this doesn't happen enough -
see also the thread about the
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:16 PM, DaB. w...@daniel.baur4.info wrote:
In my eyes the toolserver developed behind this original idea and is now a
good place to host stuff even when it is done
Just like Wikipedia was to Nupedia. Symmetry! :-)
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On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Danny B. wikipedia.dann...@email.cz wrote:
Perhaps we may be able to make it a cross-tool, which can either be
embedded in MediaWiki or standalone (I'm not aware of any extension
doing that, but it's something I have considered several times myself).
Occasionally, toolserver people (both programmers and users) talk
about joining up tools. Wouldn't it be great if we could use one or
several toolserver tools, and mash-up their output to create
something new and useful? And wouldn't it be even better if the users
could do this directly, across
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Petr Onderka gsv...@gmail.com wrote:
* Currently, data creation is limited to toolserver IP adresses (yes,
I know, it can be gamed. Like the rest of the wiki world.)
This doesn't seem to be working.
I was able to create asset 12 directly from my home computer.
the ones that have
language links; remove the ones that had an edit less than a month
old; render that as wikitext. There's a subject-specific needs work
finder from simple components. UNIX philosophy at its finest :-)
Magnus Manske wrote:
Right now, a tool is started by this page via nohup
;)
Greetings
DrTrigon
On 19.07.2012 22:34, Magnus Manske wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm not convinced about its utility. What tools would need
combining? If I just need the results of a SQL query, it may be
easier for me than using this system. Maybe
Hi all,
the Wikipedia 1.0 tool gives a 403 forbidden error:
http://toolserver.org/~enwp10/bin/list2.fcgi?run=yesprojecta=Computational_Biologynamespace=pagename=quality=importance=score=limit=1500offset=1sorta=Importancesortb=Quality+%28reverse%29
Does anyone know what's going on, or how to fix
Thanks!
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:02 PM, DaB. w...@daniel.baur4.info wrote:
Hello,
At Wednesday 29 August 2012 17:01:58 DaB. wrote:
Might read through the [Toolserver-l] Web services are down thread.
no, read the we-disabled-our-own-tool-thread at [1] ;-).
Sincerely,
DaB.
[1]
Me too. Occasionally, it's 502 bad gateway though. Just in the
middle of testing stuff and thought it was my broken code.
Frustration.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 4:33 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm getting Internal Server Error (500) and pages dont load.
2012/8/29 Platonides
Fantastic! Thank you!
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:00 PM, DaB. w...@daniel.baur4.info wrote:
Hello all,
wikidata has made it on the toolserver today. The database is called
wikidatawiki_p (don't ask me…) and its is home on s3. Because I guessed that
many joins to it will happen in future, I
(Scotland)
Simon
On Nov 12, 2012 3:26 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
wrote:
I suddenly see a lot of 502 error on the toolserver from the UK. Anyone
else? (can't find a IRC client for OSX 10.6 quickly...)
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Started a few minutes ago. getting alternating errors on reloading a page;
500 (on a static HTML page, not CGI, mind you!), This webpage is not
available: The connection to toolserver.org was interrupted., 404.
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Works for me now.
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 25, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25/11/12 16:42, Magnus Manske wrote:
Started a few minutes ago. getting alternating errors on reloading a
page; 500 (on a static
Doubleplusgood for DaB staying in the fight for another round!!!
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 12:49 AM, DaB. w...@daniel.baur4.info wrote:
Hello all,
Am Sonntag 25 November 2012, 23:44:05 schrieb DaB.:
I have not decided yet if I will remain as root under this circumstances
for 2013 – I will
https://jira.toolserver.org/browse/TS-1598
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MediaWiki generate downsized thumbnails?
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:05 PM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote:
This is slightly outside the scope of this mailing list, But could
someone write a web tool that someone can pass
Keeps asking for password, but doesn't accept it. login.toolserver.org,
also ortelius, probably more.
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ssh: Could not resolve hostname login.toolserver.org: nodename nor servname
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Just wondering what the status of exposing all wikidata tables on the
toolserver is.
Currently, there are a few wb_* tables with item labels, descriptions,
aliases, and language links.
But the tables (whatever they are called) containing item-to-item
connections appear to be missing. Maybe
Huh. That could be ... problematic in the future.
Thanks,
Magnus
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Lydia Pintscher
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote:
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Magnus Manske
magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
Just wondering what the status of exposing all wikidata
FWIW, I have implemented a query-able stand-alone web server that keeps all
of the wikidata property-item-links in memory. This uses the wikidata dumps
which appear to be rather frequent. I'll try do deploy a test version on
wikilabs (once I figure out how all that works); it seems to be more
As I boldly ssh in where few toolserver users have ssh'ed in yet, I try to
keep a log of what I'm doing, what issues arise, and where I had to stop
and scratch my head. Behold:
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver
Feel free to improve the page as you
.htaccess redirects?
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 2:10 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote:
What happens to the zillions of published toolserver links when a tool
switches to labs?
Rupert
Am 04.05.2013 14:18 schrieb Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
As I boldly ssh
.htaccess is your friend :-)
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:
A bot to update URLs is a nice thing (except that some stupid wikis will
surely block it), but a true solution would be setting up a system where
redirects from toolserver to new URLs
you experiences like some already did: Magnus Manske:
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver
or Russell Blau:
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Russell_Blau/Using_pywikibot_on_Labs
* Help to improve the user interface of tools.wmflabs.org
Are they up somewhere else? Otherwise, redirects won't be useful.
I tried to have a look at interiot's tools, but both web and shell access
are blocked. There might be volunteers to port abandoned tools to labs (as
I did for [1]), but only if they are still sought-after, and if the source
code is
Slightly OT:
Sorry if I missed that in the discussion, but is there a for-dummies howto
for creating a labs git for the ported tool? I know they use gerrit, but
that's the extend of my knowledge.
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Merlijn van Deen valhall...@arctus.nlwrote:
On 2 June 2013 21:12,
If you're asking is it safe to move tools to Labs, my experience so far
say yes. I can't speak for all unique toolserver features, though.
Cheers,
Magnus
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Dr. Trigon dr.tri...@surfeu.ch wrote:
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Hello DaB!
Could
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nlwrote:
Hi DrTrigon,
Op 10-8-2013 11:36, Dr. Trigon schreef:
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Hello DaB!
Could you please give me a short update - the end of 2013 is
approaching, what is the current state
Maybe this just needs a little more planning.
* Look at the server logs and find the most used tools on toolserver
* Contact those tool authors directly
* Make copies of the source of those tools publicly available (they should
all be open source, but some directories are not accessibly for other
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:47 PM, DaB. t...@dabpunkt.eu wrote:
We do not force people to license their
stuff as open source (and when I read something like we force them to
move, then I’m glad we didn’t).
Because then we could just make a copy of the tool in that nasty
open-source way of
Interesting.
Most of this seems to be related to OSM/geo-something. Not sure how much
could actually be ported to Labs at the moment.
There are some tools from e.g. apper that would probably move quite well.
Also, there is geohack, which I had moved to Labs quite a while ago (
It is annoying, but to be fair, it's only been this bad since yesterday
or so. Usually it's OK.
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Christian Thiele ap...@apper.de wrote:
Hi,
Am 09.10.2013, 14:55 Uhr, schrieb Magnus Manske
magnusman...@googlemail.com:
There are some tools from e.g. apper
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
On 10/10/2013 12:32 PM, Silke Meyer wrote:
ok, I consulted Nosy, DaB. and Mette about this proposal and we will not
make the home directories accessible to others. They can contain all
sorts of private data, user
,
description : An API for Wikidata items and properties.,
url : http://wdq.wmflabs.org/;,
keywords : wikidata, api, query,
author : Magnus Manske
}
If you have a web-hosted tool, simply stick it in the root of your
tools directory so that it's reachable
this:
{
name : WikiDataQuery,
description : An API for Wikidata items and properties.,
url : http://wdq.wmflabs.org/;,
keywords : wikidata, api, query,
author : Magnus Manske
}
If you have a web-hosted tool, simply stick it in the root of your
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Hay (Husky) hus...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Magnus,
thanks! WDQ is now added to the directory. The cronjob should run every
hour.
Having a list of tools as an array is something i've been thinking
about as well, will probably add that.
Thanks, I'll hold off
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