Re: Topband: Fwd: radals fer 160m vertcal

2012-05-05 Thread Richard Fry
James Rodenkirch wrote: What about radials above the ground? This link http://www.commtechrf.com/documents/nab1995.pdf leads to a paper by Clarence Beverage with some real-world results for monopoles with elevated wires used as a counterpoise. Here is a quote from it: \ \The antenna system

Re: Topband: Fwd: radals fer 160m vertcal

2012-05-05 Thread Paul Christensen
These elevated systems are readily modeled using NEC-2. However the radiation patterns shown by a typical NEC far-field analysis do not accurately show the fields actually launched by them, or by any vertical radiator with its base near the earth, because they do not include the surface

Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 113, Issue 6

2012-05-05 Thread Jim WA9YSD
Keep in mind this Sole purpose of a BC station is to get coverage of about 60 miles running 5KW day time and 1 KW night time with no fad and quality signal not to work DX. I read in some posts or on some web site that it does not matter if the ends are tied to a ground rod or not. Note then

Re: Topband: Fwd: radals fer 160m vertcal

2012-05-05 Thread Jim WA9YSD
Keep in mind this Sole purpose of a BC station is to get coverage of about 60 miles running 5KW day time and 1 KW night time with no fad and quality signal not to work DX. I read in some posts or on some web site that it does not matter if the ends are tied to a ground rod or not.  Note then

Re: Topband: Fwd: radals fer 160m vertcal

2012-05-05 Thread ZR
There have been several reports of established AM stations that the FCC gave permission to replace a decayed or destroyed inground radial system with elevated radials or an elevated mesh/radial arrangement. In all the cases I read the FS measurements exceed the original and power had to be

Re: Topband: Fwd: radals fer 160m vertcal

2012-05-05 Thread James Rodenkirch
Thank you, Richard, fore passing the paper onlooks like I won't suffer by having elevated radials in the least. Jim R. K9JWV From: r...@adams.net To: topband@contesting.com Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 07:07:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: radals fer 160m vertcal James Rodenkirch

Topband: Radials on top band

2012-05-05 Thread John Harden
I can work anything I can hear on 160. That's the whole deal... If I can't hear it on the Hi-Z 4-square I can't work it.. I have a 45G 100 foot tower shunt fed with an Omega match of vacuum variables. I am always flat as the variable to ground is motor driven. I have 32 radials. At

Re: Topband: Fwd: radals fer 160m vertcal

2012-05-05 Thread Mike Waters
Thanks for the wisdom, Rich. :-) However, I've always wondered about the following statement. My question is, on what amateur bands is this common? And on what amateur bands is this possible? On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Richard Fry r...@adams.net wrote: Those fields from very low elevation

Re: Topband: Fwd: radals fer 160m vertcal

2012-05-05 Thread Richard Fry
RE: Those fields from very low elevation angles (say, less then 5 degrees) can reach the ionosphere, and under the right conditions return to the earth as a useful skywave. Mike Waters asks: My question is, on what amateur bands is this common? And on what amateur bands is this possible? It

Re: Topband: Fwd: radals fer 160m vertcal

2012-05-05 Thread ZR
Ive copied US BCB stations as far inland as Chicago in the far eastern Meditaranean. Id be curious what the propagation mode was and if sky wave how many hops? I also regularly hear the LF BCB stations from EU and AF in the roughly 150-200KHz region and sometimes sounding like locals. What

Re: Topband: Fwd: radals fer 160m vertcal

2012-05-05 Thread Richard Fry
Carl KM1H wrote [sic]: Ive copied US BCB stations as far inland as Chicago in the far eastern Meditaranean. Id be curious what the propagation mode was and if sky wave how many hops? It certainly wasn't by their ground/surface wave, but their skywave. As to how many hops that took, please

Re: Topband: Fwd: radals fer 160m vertcal

2012-05-05 Thread ZR
- Original Message - From: Richard Fry r...@adams.net To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: radals fer 160m vertcal Carl KM1H wrote [sic]: Ive copied US BCB stations as far inland as Chicago in the far eastern Meditaranean. Id be