Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-12 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
Do you get the impression that the ARRL has always been lagging behind dragging their feet and slow to grasp the many advances in our hobby that lie ahead? This is evidenced by their collective inability to make needed upgrades to programs and contest rules. A perfect example is the ARRL 160

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-11 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
Why should we be concerned where the operator of a remote station is actually located. The location of the actual station is all that really matters. Remote control of your station provides an amazing advance of our hobby. It provides an reliable escape to so many who are not able to

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-11 Thread Larry Burke
This issue is actually bigger than the farce it is making of the ARRL awards programs. When you write your Division Director you might also ask him at what point will the League consider 'for rent' commercial remotes -- which are already in operation today -- an affront to the amateur

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-11 Thread Roger D Johnson
I sat down to write an intelligent response to the remote question but realized I don't really care anymore. The Amateur Radio that I grew up with, and loved, is gone forever. Thanks to the ARRL and the FCC, it has been dumbed down and deregulated to the point where it's just another Citizens

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-11 Thread Chortek, Robert L
People should be free to operate any way they please - within the rules. I understand this discussion is about what the rules should be. It's all about having fun! It's also about striking a reasonable balance between the many benefits of remote operation (discussed here multiple times) and

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-11 Thread Cecil
All excellent points and very well stated Larry Cecil K5DL Sent using recycled electrons. On Jul 11, 2015, at 6:48 AM, Larry Burke w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: This issue is actually bigger than the farce it is making of the ARRL awards programs. When you write your Division

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-11 Thread John K9UWA
Although I agree with many who have posted to this thread I will only say this. The ARRL can not create a DXCC rule that they have no ability to enforce. Other than some He Said She Said that Joe Doe's signal was coming from the wrong direction so he wasn't transmitting from his home

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-11 Thread Dave AA6YQ
, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of John K9UWA Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 1:04 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Although I agree with many who have posted

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-11 Thread W0MU
While the horse and carriage still exist very few use them. I am sorry you feel badly about ham radio as we have had some very amazing advancesWeak signal programs are amazing. On 7/11/2015 10:09 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: I sat down to write an intelligent response to the remote question

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-11 Thread wb6rse1
It’s an easy problem to solve. Just change every country with districts into multiple DXCC entities. WØ-W9. Ten new countries. VE1, VE2, VK1 etc. Move to another “country,” start all over. And restart DXCC by band and mode from scratch. No grandfathered credits. How about on April 1, 2016? If

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-11 Thread Robert Harmon
Jim, Thanks, I have done the same. You can give your opinion on this subject by contacting your ARRL division director. Click on this webpage, select your director, and send an email ! http://www.arrl.org/divisions http://www.arrl.org/divisions 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:49

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-11 Thread JC
- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry Burke Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:01 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input I am fascinated by the enforceability argument. There are a number

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-11 Thread Gary and Kathleen Pearse
I told myself when I started Amateur Radio I was going to be a Goose…where every day’s a new day. No awards, just work who you can, when you can, any way you can. So now when I hear DX or there’s a contest I try to make a contact if it’s of interest. As I say, that way every day and contact’s

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-10 Thread Dave Blaschke, w5un
Greg, I consider this type of operation totally legitimate. The station never moves around. Dave, W5UN p.s. guys, send your arguments for or against to your ARRL director before Wednesday p.p.s. lets get this resolved On 7/11/2015 1:11 AM, Greg Zenger wrote: Bob and the others, I

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-10 Thread Robert Harmon
Hi Greg, I think we have a little misunderstanding. None of these arguments are against remote operation ! I am all for remote operation even from space, what ever floats your boat. The issue is DXCC award entitlement. A proposal was suggested to have separate DXCC award categories for

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-10 Thread Doug Renwick
I am in complete agreement with Bob and Charlie. The ARRL has dumbed down the DXCC award to the point where it is nearly meaningless. Doug I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could. -Original Message- Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-10 Thread Charles Cu nningham
] On Behalf Of Greg Zenger Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:11 PM To: topband Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Bob and the others, I understand (and even agree with, at least to an extent) many of the arguments against remote operation. It seems like most

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-10 Thread Robert Harmon
Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being acceptable for DXCC. (Charlie, you have one more year on me, I was licensed in 1958 :-) I have pursued the DXCC awards for all these years and now to allow remote op to be granted the same awards gives the DXCC awards almost

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-10 Thread Ed Stallman
: http://www.arrl.org/divisions - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Robert Harmon Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:42 PM To: topband Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Mike, I also do

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-10 Thread Larry Burke
-Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Robert Harmon Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:42 PM To: topband Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-10 Thread Greg Zenger
Bob and the others, I understand (and even agree with, at least to an extent) many of the arguments against remote operation. It seems like most of these arguments are against remote stations that are rented, or remote stations that are self owned but at a different location than the operators

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-10 Thread Ed Stallman
Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Robert Harmon Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:42 PM To: topband Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being acceptable

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-10 Thread Charles Cu nningham
Excuse my ignorance, Ed, what's RHR? -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ed Stallman Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:34 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Please get

Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input

2015-07-10 Thread Charles Cu nningham
Hi, Mike Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957. In my opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for DXCC. Perhaps a special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of us over the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and