Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-02 Thread Steve Lawrence via Topband
I wouldn't bother with the LOG unless I was desperate man in a desperate situation. Chuck From: Topband on behalf of Mike Waters Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 1:15 PM To: Nick Hall-Patch Cc: topband Subject: Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop questi

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-02 Thread Chuck Hutton
that, the pattern is pretty lousy. I wouldn't bother with the LOG unless I was desperate man in a desperate situation. Chuck From: Topband on behalf of Mike Waters Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 1:15 PM To: Nick Hall-Patch Cc: topband Subject: Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-02 Thread David Cutter via Topband
tnx I'll look at that David G3UNA From: Carl Luetzelschwab [mailto:carlluetzelsch...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 August 2018 12:29 To: David Cutter Cc: Joe Subich, W4TV; topBand List Subject: Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question David, The NEC-4.2 engine appears to give very good

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-02 Thread Carl Luetzelschwab
David, The NEC-4.2 engine appears to give very good results with buried and close-to-ground wires (the NEC-4.1 engine compares favorably, too). It is instructive to read N6LF's July/August 2016 QEX article on his modeling efforts with buried and close-to-ground wires. You can get Rudy's article

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-02 Thread David Cutter via Topband
: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question Joe, > However, the Waller Flag is a dual loop that trades off signal for > pattern. I agree. But I believe it's gain is very low mostly because it's made up of electrically very small loops. A very small loop has its main lobes in the plane of th

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Mike Waters
Thanks for pointing that out. However, I didn't intend to word it the way I did, implying that it was terrible because of its low gain. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 4:13 PM Carl Luetzelschwab wrote: > > Note that the KK5JY antenna is a single loop, not a double loop as G3UNA >

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Carl Luetzelschwab
Joe, > However, the Waller Flag is a dual loop that trades off signal for > pattern. I agree. But I believe it's gain is very low mostly because it's made up of electrically very small loops. A very small loop has its main lobes in the plane of the loop - not perpendicular to the plane of the

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Nick Hall-Patch
Does the article referenced then not go on to describe a phased array of two LoG's (Figure 7)? Nick VE7DXR At 21:24 2018-08-01, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On 2018-08-01 5:13 PM, Carl Luetzelschwab wrote: That gain value is in the neighborhood of what a Waller Flag does. However, the Waller

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 2018-08-01 5:13 PM, Carl Luetzelschwab wrote: That gain value is in the neighborhood of what a Waller Flag does. However, the Waller Flag is a dual loop that trades off signal for pattern. The LOG simply throws away signal due to attenuation of the dirt. The LOG is a horizontally

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Carl Luetzelschwab
Note that the KK5JY antenna is a single loop, not a double loop as G3UNA referenced. > That's a terrible RX antenna. Did you see the losses?! > Minus-forty-something dB on 160. That gain value is in the neighborhood of what a Waller Flag does. Carl K9LA _ Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
Isn't a waller flag in the minus 50's? On 8/1/2018 2:15 PM, Mike Waters wrote: That's a terrible RX antenna. Did you see the losses?! Minus-forty-something dB on 160. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 3:00 PM Nick Hall-Patch wrote: DuckDuckGo brought up this at the top of its

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Steve Lawrence via Topband
ers) it will be a poor antenna for DXing because of its insensitivity >> to low angles of arrival. >> >> 73 >> Frank >> W3LPL >> >> >> *From: *"W0MU Mike Fatchett"

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Steve Lawrence via Topband
ers) it will be a poor antenna for DXing because of its insensitivity >> to low angles of arrival. >> >> 73 >> Frank >> W3LPL >> >> >> *From: *"W0MU Mike Fatchett"

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Mike Waters
That's a terrible RX antenna. Did you see the losses?! Minus-forty-something dB on 160. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 3:00 PM Nick Hall-Patch wrote: > DuckDuckGo brought up this at the top of its search: > http://kk5jy.net/LoG/ > > Presumably that is what you mean? > > best

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Nick Hall-Patch
nal Message - > > From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" > To: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 3:40:10 PM > Subject: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question > > Has anyone tried a loop like this in the Horizontal plane? I suppose > if one

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread CUTTER DAVID via Topband
ow angles of arrival. > > 73 > Frank > W3LPL > > - Original Message - > > From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" > To: topband@contesting.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 3:40:10 PM > Subject: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop qu

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
*From: *"W0MU Mike Fatchett" *To: *topband@contesting.com *Sent: *Wednesday, August 1, 2018 3:40:10 PM *Subject: *Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question   Has anyone tried a loop like this in the Horizontal plane?   I suppose if one had an AZ mount they could try it from horizontal t

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread donovanf
) it will be a poor antenna for DXing because of its insensitivity to low angles of arrival. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 3:40:10 PM Subject: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop ques

Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
 Has anyone tried a loop like this in the Horizontal plane?   I suppose if one had an AZ mount they could try it from horizontal to Vertical. His flag build was in the July 2015 QST. W0MU _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband