Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Thomas PA1M
We used to use VSB-12STB from Fujitsu (but not available anymore) These relays are also used in devices from some (large) vendors. As they are not available anymore we changed to the Fujitsu FTR-K1CK012W (same ratings). € 1,70 Euro (just over 2 dollar each) at Conrad.

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Mike Waters
This relay looks exactly what I was looking for to remote-switch my 160m inverted-L to other bands, because it will withstand a lot of voltage. From the PDF: High insulation Insulation distance (between coil and contacts): 10mm min. Dielectric strength: 5KV Surge strength: 10KV 73, Mike

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Jorge Diez - CX6VM
Hi Tim This are the same relay used in the DXE TFS4 4SQ systems? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -Mensaje original- De: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] En nombre de Tim Duffy Enviado el: jueves, 09 de octubre de 2014 12:27 a.m. Para: 'Milt -- N5IA'; topband@contesting.com Asunto:

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Tim Duffy
Hello Jorge, No. Here is the relay in the DXE TFS4. This relay another good choice for TX array building. http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-rly-hp 73, Tim K3LR -Original Message- From: Jorge Diez - CX6VM [mailto:cx6vm.jo...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 7:37 AM To:

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Tim Shoppa
Mike, I would be concerned about using these small relays for non-resonant antenna switching where the impedance at the switch point may be wildly away from 50 ohms. This is the relay I use to switch tuning networks at non-50-ohm points:

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Tom W8JI
Because there are many things that go into relay selection that do not show on a data sheet, I always dissect and test relays. I have found 30 amp power relays that overheat at 5 amps at 28 MHz, and relays that have high contact voltage ratings that make the pole inside the coil hot with full

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Carl
So WHAT IS the manufacturers part number of an adequate relay? Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com To: Tim Shoppa tsho...@gmail.com; Mike Waters mikew...@gmail.com Cc: topband topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:46 AM Subject: Re:

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Carl
So what is the actual manufacturers catalog numberor is that just another DXE secret? Since not everyone has DXE products an easy to source item would be beneficial to the ham community. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Tim Duffy k...@k3lr.com To: 'Jorge Diez - CX6VM'

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Mike Waters
Thanks for the advice. I've already calculated the voltage at the feedpoint of my 160m inverted-L on 80m at 1500w (using EZNEC), and it's only a little over 3 kV. I just popped the cover off a little Omron PCB-mounting relay that I forgot I had, rated at 10 kV. The spacing between the SPDT

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread shristov
Mike Waters mikew...@gmail.com wrote: I just popped the cover off a little Omron PCB-mounting relay that I forgot I had, rated at 10 kV. 10 kV between contacts, or 10 kV between a contact and the coil? 73, Sinisa YT1NT, VE3EA _ Topband Reflector Archives -

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Tom W8JI
I just popped the cover off a little Omron PCB-mounting relay that I forgot I had, rated at 10 kV. The spacing between the SPDT contacts and the coil actually looks greater than that open-frame relay. I was thinking of seriesing the contacts on two of these relays, if necessary. If you series

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu,10/9/2014 6:46 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: Because there are many things that go into relay selection that do not show on a data sheet, I always dissect and test relays. Thanks for an excellent exposition of the issues. Now how about the other half of the question -- part numbers for relays

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Jeff Blaine
There is some data on this page: http://www.w0qe.com/Technical_Topics/small_signal_relays_at_rf.html I have used the RTD140xx series Schrack/Tyco for years in primarily RTTY contesting duty at the KW power level - all without fail. But I have not conducted BDV testing on those relays.

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Mike Waters
Between contact and coil. I just took 2 photos: http://www.w0btu.com/files/misc/Omron_relay_G2R-1-E-T130/ On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:20 PM, shristov shris...@ptt.rs wrote: Mike Waters mikew...@gmail.com wrote: I just popped the cover off a little Omron PCB-mounting relay that I forgot I

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Tom W8JI
OK Carl and Jim, I know you want one-part-number-fits-all answers, but I do not think that is possible. There are tens of thousands of relays and dozens of applications. I am afraid telling people what to do in no uncertain terms by specifying a part number often winds up being wrong over

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Mike Waters
Ahhh yes. Thanks. I didn't think of that. :-) 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com wrote: ... I was thinking of seriesing the contacts on two of these relays, if necessary. If you series the contacts the voltages across open contacts divides by

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Mike Waters
A potential problem with that relay is that it is not sealed. Moisture could get in, condense, and freeze. And if ice forms in the wrong place, the relay might not operate. I've had that happen before, and during a 160 contest. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Mike Waters

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu,10/9/2014 11:18 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: I know you want one-part-number-fits-all answers, but I do not think that is possible. That's your assumption, but certainly not mine. What I think most of us would appreciate are known good products for specific (or define ranges of) applications.

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Carl
On Thu,10/9/2014 11:18 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: I know you want one-part-number-fits-all answers, but I do not think that is possible. That's your assumption, but certainly not mine. What I think most of us would appreciate are known good products for specific (or define ranges of)

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Carl
- Original Message - From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Topband: TX relays On Thu,10/9/2014 11:18 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: I know you want one-part-number-fits-all answers, but I do not think that

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Hardy Landskov
Carl, et al, You have valid points. I have resorted, for example to making my own high power handling T/R relays using Kilovac, Jennings, and other brands of vacuum relays I can find, with my mill and lathe. This is a part of ham radio that I thoroughly enjoy !! (I do use the N-Style female

Re: Topband: TX relays

2014-10-09 Thread Tom W8JI
Between contact and coil. I just took 2 photos: http://www.w0btu.com/files/misc/Omron_relay_G2R-1-E-T130/ This is where dissection helps. We can see, from the pictures, that relay is likely a good relay. 1.) It has wide smooth current paths. It does not have wire leads 2.) It has good