Could someone tell me the length of top loading wires (4 wires planned)
needed to add to the top of a base insulated 90 foot Rohn 25g tower to
maximize the radiation resistance on 160 meters. I understand there is a
point of diminishing returns on the top loading lengths. The 4 wire
My 160 TX is causing RFI to one of my baseboard heater programmable thermostats
(switches modes, temperature, when I transmit). The thermostat has a 2 wire
connection to 240VAC in a metal receptacle box that has a third wire common
ground wire. I would like to try bypassing the AC line. Can
I use these ground bars. I don't like soldered connections outdoors.
I picked up my ground bars at a hamfest. They are made out of copper, not
aluminum. Does anyone know where I can purchase the copper ground bars today?
If you use the aluminum ground bars with copper wire I'd use an al-cu anti
A different idea than lug connections, is to use load-center style ground
bars bolted to the metal plate.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-23-Terminal-Load-Center-Ground-Bar-Kit-PK23GTACP/100129430
I fully agree this is not up to Bellcore grounding standards. But seems
much more ham-amenable,
T hanks for the correction, Stan. My old eyes missed that!! A 90' tower won't
require much top-loading at all!
Sorry for my error
73,
Charlie, K4OTV
-Original Message-
From: Stan Stockton [mailto:wa5...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 1:41 PM
To: Charlie Cunningham
Larry - very interesting proposal worth serious consideration!
For the record, per your request, I am affiliated only with me, the
amateur, and do not use a remote station
73 Joel W5ZN
A few days ago someone on the reflector suggested if you don't like the
DXCC rules get them changed.
...which happens daily.
-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tom W8JI
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 1:10 PM
To: David Raymond; TopBand
Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
I mentioned last week that we would
On 2/4/2015 7:27 AM, Larry - K1UO wrote:
Could someone tell me the length of top loading wires (4 wires planned)
needed to add to the top of a base insulated 90 foot Rohn 25g tower to
maximize the radiation resistance on 160 meters. I understand there is a
point of diminishing returns on the top
A few days ago someone on the reflector suggested if you don't like the
DXCC rules get them changed. Here's a proposal designed to maintain a
certain amount of integrity in the DXCC program while allowing for the use
of remotes, both personal and commercial. This should help those in
On 2015-02-04, at 12:45 PM, David Raymond wrote:
I mentioned last week that we would be seeing over seas stations using US
based remotes stations to work K1N. It was mentioned here that this won't
happen, and that the US remote station operators monitor this activity
carefully and do not
Dave - you are correct. That very statement was rather boldly made by a
prominent 160 meter person right here. At the time I thought about
throwing the flag on that one but decided, then, not to. I know the remote
folks can track ISP addresses of those connected but do not know how they
can
I mentioned last week that we would be seeing over seas stations using US
based remotes stations to work K1N. It was mentioned here that this won't
happen, and that the US remote station operators monitor this activity
carefully and do not permit it. Well, it is happening.
Dave,
How do you
The tower is 90 feet, not 50 feet.
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 12:11 PM, Charlie Cunningham
charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Gee, I surely agree with Grant, Larry! I've used EZNEC for MANY years, with
great results, and I've designed, built, tested and measured many wonderful
EZNEC
Ethical issues aside, a EU station working through a USA remote without signing
a USA callsign indicator is illegal under FCC rules. Someone is legally
responsible for the operation of an FCC licensed station. If such illegal
operation is occurring, who is the responsible party?
Hats
I have 350' of coax going to a remote antenna switch which allows me
to select from 5 vertical wires, I just posted about my radial
system/plate they are part of. Amazing to me is between these 5 wires
I can cover 160M-6M and I use no antenna tuner except the internal
one in the K3. I have a
A nice tutorial about the what and why of line connected capacitors at
http://www.justradios.com/safetytips.html
Grant KZ1W
On 2/4/2015 10:32 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
On Wed,2/4/2015 9:52 AM, Roger Graves wrote:
I would like to try bypassing the AC line.
There is a particular class of bypass
This is easily found out without the NSA, just look at who paid for
the minutes
used at a remote station and it would show who used it and when,
Can guarantee that wont be forth coming.
Reminds me of the ole joke:
The first chicken that cackles, laid the egg.
73 Merv K9FD/KH6,
I mentioned
My 160 TX is causing RFI to one of my baseboard heater programmable
thermostats (switches modes, temperature, when I transmit). The
thermostat
has a 2 wire connection to 240VAC in a metal receptacle box that has a
third wire common ground wire. I would like to try bypassing the AC
line.
Can
You still haven't proven me wrong!! :-))
Dave - you are correct. That very statement was rather boldly made by a
prominent 160 meter person right here.
That was me. It was a statement of fact.
RHR requires a log in name, password, and they watch IPs. After some early
abuse, they started
Back when the DXCC rules were changed to eliminate the requirement that
all
contacts must be made from within a 150 (?) mile radius to all contacts
must be made from within the same entity the hobby was in a much
different
place.
I think they need two awards.
1.) All contacts from a
On Wed,2/4/2015 10:52 AM, Paul Christensen wrote:
On 160m, a simple L network network at
the base will get us 50+j0.
For about 7 years, I've tuned my Tee vertical well below the band (by
making the top loading wires longer), raising the drive point impedance
to 50 + jX Ohms. The antenna
Larry, As has been noted... worth a look and invokes serious thought on
how to administer DXCC and other Awards within a constantly evolving Radio
environment.
DISCLAIMER:I guess since I'm currently building a remote site to
continue my Ham activities/interests from this HOA I probably
My 160 TX is causing RFI to one of my baseboard heater programmable
thermostats (switches modes, temperature, when I transmit). The thermostat
has a 2 wire connection to 240VAC in a metal receptacle box that has a
third wire common ground wire. I would like to try bypassing the AC line.
Can
On Wed,2/4/2015 11:09 AM, Charlie Cunningham wrote:
T hanks for the correction, Stan. My old eyes missed that!! A 90' tower won't
require much top-loading at all!
Especially by the time you consider 1) it's diameter and 2) the aluminum
on top that is bonded to the mast
73, Jim K9YC
Setup 3 below was retained (Tx antenna and 120m long beverage feed location are
still 120m apart ) but
the 160m inv L Tx antenna was converted into a quarterwave 80m vertical over
the same radial wire field.
The isolation on 80m measured 44dB. (on a freezing day)
73,
Michel, ON7EH
From:
Dave - you are correct. That very statement was rather boldly made by a
prominent 160 meter person right here.
That was me. It was a statement of fact.
RHR requires a log in name, password, and they watch IPs. After some early
abuse, they started checking to be sure the name and password come
On 2/4/2015 8:06 AM, Tom W8JI wrote:
I doubt making a whipping boy out of someone in public will have any
effect on the other 250,000 people who have done it at least once.
The point is not to make a whipping boy out of a specific person but
rather to point out the fact that specifically
Good evening All.
If someone wants to do it this way, well why not.
I am on the top of the Honor-Roll 379 confrmd and all were worked within a 15
mile area. I have 192 confirmed on 160. DXCC on 7 Bands. All from a 90 X 140
foot lot. Only RX antenna on 160 is a homemade loop, Xmit antenna on
We could do a letter writing campaign and demand some or all the changes
Larry discussed I for one am bothered greatly that all the work and effort
into learning how to try to operate on the low bands now all I need is to
pick the closest station to the rare DX and rent it and make the QSO I
Hi, Harold - well it's been a while, I know that we regularly used line
bypasses in electricity meter and they had to be really robust, but I was
mostly and RF and communications guy and when I had to fool with power
supply designs for the meters, I generally just copied whatever was done
before.
On Wed,2/4/2015 9:52 PM, Tree wrote:
Appears none of the 160 meter QSOs from last night (Feb 4) were
included in the recent log update.
The online log has been running a day or so behind. And they're still in
early stages of the expedition -- until today, at least, still in setup
mode.
73,
Hi, Paul
For AC line bypass capacitors look for UL-rated Ceramic Disc capacitors that
typically have AC working voltages like 250 VAC or higher. These are
designed and rated for AC line service and can take the surges that occur on
AC lines.
Check Digi-Key, Newark and others - you'll find
Just curious, not knowing anymore than I do about RHRhow do they verify
that a paid user even holds a ticket. It would also be alarming to find that
RHR sites are being used to stage DQRM attacks during DXpeditions.
I guess crazier things have been dreamt up
Cecil
Sent using recycled
GM OM/YL,
Breaking News:
ARRL Board Okays Changes to DXCC Program
ARRL VOTES ON DXCC and REMOTE RULES
We would like to applaud the ARRL for seeing the big picture and
understanding how important the role of remote technology will play in
the future of our hobby. The recommended DXAC 200km
AA6YQ comments below
-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Doug Renwick
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 8:58 PM
To: 'Tom W8JI'; 'JC'; w...@w5zn.org; 'TopBand'
Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
Well thanks Tom
Hi Charlie,
I can remember when the Collins S-Line used .01 600volt disk ceramic capacitors
on the power supply connector. They were from the AC switch to ground. They
were almost always burnt and many times only the leads left.
73 Price W0RI
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 6:31 PM, Charlie
Here's are a couple of quotes from the Remote Ham Radio Newsletter that
showed up in my mailbox today.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
As we write this newsletter the K1N team is on the air with a BIG
signal. We are happy to announce that many have already
Digikey carries Panasonic's line of ac Lin filter caps. They are
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 4, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Roger Graves ve...@shaw.ca wrote:
My 160 TX is causing RFI to one of my baseboard heater programmable
thermostats (switches modes, temperature, when I transmit). The thermostat
Tom - Fair enough. I'll confess I don't know how this is controlled but
since your station, the W8JI station is one of the RHR Premium stations
that RHR subscribers can pay to use I will take it at face value that all
is well.
I am very curious though (seriously) if you, as the station owner, are
RHR requires a log in name, password, and they watch IPs. After some
early abuse, they started checking to be sure the name and password come
from the same IP or IP pool as the user name and password combo. When it
is
a foreign user, of which there are a limited number, the traffic is
Here is one statement posted at a RHR website
◦100% anonymous operation
How is someone going to get around that?
Doug
-Original Message-
RHR requires a log in name, password, and they watch IPs. After some
early abuse, they started checking to be sure the name and password come
W8JI: The last good DXCC's were when we had a mileage limit. Even then,
someone could use a second site. It was actually common to use second
sites. W1BU did it from a swamp, even W1BB had two stations.
Just for the record, it is true that W1BB had two stations, but they were in
the same town
Yes I couldn't agree more. Most interesting was seeing the call signs
belonging to the lynch mob posted here and in private mailings to me. And
believe me, some were of well known DXers.
Doug
I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could.
-Original Message-
snip
I
On Wed,2/4/2015 5:48 PM, Tom W8JI wrote:
Where were the complaints when the radius rule was dropped,
I was inactive, running my consulting biz and having a family life.
73, Jim K9YC
_
Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
http://ecat.burndy.com/Comergent/burndy/search/YA*FX*
this is just the top line manufacturer of compression lugs, the link should take you to
the page for dual hole lugs
Similar products are available from a number of suppliers. All the major communications
hardware suppliers have a variety
Now, suddenly, it is so unfair.
There have always been the ethically-challenged among us. No one is denying
that. What I sense is a realization by many that DXCC, a program that some
of us naively believed was a credible accomplishment worth investing time
and energy in, has spun totally
Dave... I actually addressed most of this with a proposal earlier today on
how DXCC could be changed to accommodate these situations. If you didn't see
it, I can forward you a copy.
- Larry K5RK
-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Digikey carries the Panasonic ECQ-UL series film capacitors that are rated for
use as ac line bypass caps. I've used them before in thyristor (triacs, in this
case) phase control drivers. They are durable and inexpensive.
They are generally either 250vac or 275vac rated.
-Bill
Sent from my
To add to this, I used 1,000vac rated ceramic caps in a VFD once some years
back and they failed in spectacular fashion. This was in a 277vac system. Such
caps should NOT be used on the AC line!
Use the ones intended for AC line filtering. They tend to be film caps and they
are intended for
By using Tor or Vidalia which provides total anonymity to internet
users, It is free and it also provides protection form illicit IP tracking.
Herb, KV4FZ
On 2/4/2015 9:19 PM, Doug Renwick wrote:
Here is one statement posted at a RHR website
◦100% anonymous operation
How is someone going to
Well thanks Tom for adding another nail to the coffin. I guess the old
saying if you can't beat them, then join them got to you.
You are right on one point. The abolishment of the mileage limit helped
destroy the DXCC.
Doug
-Original Message-
I wouldn't know who their customers are,
I have worked K1N on all bands 10 - 160m (not bragging) from my home only
station (bragging) that I can easily see from my back yard. And no I don't
live on the east coast but in the northern mid west.
Don't waste time commenting on this on topband.
Doug
There are some ideas so absurd that only
I hold no malice against KK6ZM whatsoever!! After all this is only a hobby.
Several years ago I was laying the pipe on 80 CW chasing a rare one with
marginal copy.. I got an e-mail from a DXer saying that I was calling
out of turn. I could have replied with a standard military FOXTROT
UNITED
Well said. I'm glad Milt posted what he did, but I'm tired of hearing all
of this complaining.
Ham radio is supposed to be fun. Let's choose happiness, instead of
continually hitting the 're-play' button so we can stay mired in the
unchangeable past.
BTW, K1N was almost S9 here at 4 AM local
Well said Tom. Also it was doubtful there was actually a significant JA
opening to K1N. IMHO the buzz of JA activity could have occurred by a
remote JA station heard in the Midwest at 599 plus 10db who apparently
got in the log, but not from Japan. But other observers heard JA's
calling but
Calling out of turn not only is one of the least damaging things and most
common things someone might do. As a matter of fact, assuming the DX
stations has a reasonable bandwidth CW filter, out of turn calling is
thousands of times less disruptive to others than transmitting on the DX
I awoke well before sunrise as usual today and, before I had 2 sips from my
coffee, found K1N on 40 CW and started calling. Moments later I realized I
had neglected to hit the SPLIT button!
My apologies to all for this transgression, which I'm sure was not the first
time.
My fitting punishment
Herb,
That is NOT the case. I sat here with the K1N transmissions in one ear and
the requested JA call-in frequency playing in the other ear.
There were at a minimum 20 JA stations calling. They were hearing K1N well
enough that their transmissions were right in step with K1N.
I
The lynch mob is clearly out to get KK6ZM when he apparently did NOTHING
WRONG. The mob is yelling 'crucify him', 'crucify him'. It began with a
biased post that failed to see the whole picture and the mob ran with it.
Some of the posts have displayed a surprising level of ignorance to the
Hi Guys,
We're all flogging a dead horse here---enough already.
People do make mistakes---did anyone not read Jon's (AA1K) ...confessional
here earlier?---s**t happens. Get over it.
I really am amazed at the herd mentality displayed by people, assembling to
viciously ceaselessly attack any
I've long thought about designing a radial plate that addresses some
significant limitations with currently available product. Specially, every
commercially available radial plate uses single-hole lugs to attach a radial
wire to the plate. The problem is that with upwards of 60+ lugs in
Could someone tell me the length of top loading wires (4 wires planned) needed
to add to the top of a base insulated 90 foot Rohn 25g tower to maximize the
radiation resistance on 160 meters. I understand there is a point of
diminishing returns on the top loading lengths. The 4 wire angles
everyone would be calling. Forget the 6 in this specific case...it's the
incessant calling -- by some who participate on this list -- that has to
stop. The post will not stop the problem but if it starts to mitigate the
problem, we'll all be better off. If no one says anything, it will never
A different idea than lug connections, is to use load-center style ground
bars bolted to the metal plate.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-23-Terminal-Load-Center-Ground-Bar-Kit-PK23GTACP/100129430
I fully agree this is not up to Bellcore grounding standards. But seems
much more ham-amenable,
Larry -- I think your proposal provides the basis for a very workable
solution and hope you will forward this idea to ARRL. I don't think the
BOD gave this subject adequate consideration but your ideas offer a
guidepost for what is ethical. While some will still cheat, most will
follow the
I've said this before. Let's just get rid of all this foolishness with RHR,
etc. and just send the dxpedition a couple hundred dollar bills for
confirmation on bands, all modes. Essentially that is what DXing is
becoming for some. Yes the 'Rise and Fall of DXCC' before our vary eyes.
Doug
Panduit makes these type of lugs too. Some wholesale electric supply houses
have them but you want the copper ones, not the aluminum kind. They are both
plated and look the same, but the copper ones are noticeably heavier. You need
a hydraulic compression tool to install them and the correct
I don't have a dog in this hunt, I haven't used RHR but reading some
of the comments got me to thinking that things seem to progress on a
logical plane; If you control your radio from your computer say with
N1MM during a contest or use one of the SDR radios with software
guiding the radio, are
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