Topband: Giving "true" signal reports

What do you give if you listen to the signal on a beverage? Does it have a preamp and do you take that into account? A S9 on the transmit antenna won't be S9 on a beverage. I think the idea of using a contest to find out how you are getting out is fine but you don't, as others have already pointed

Topband: Signal Reports

On Fri,1/8/2016 9:32 AM, Barry N1EU wrote: The only place anybody might use real signal reports in contests these days is QRP contests. When I'm running QRP, my "signal report" is that the other station hears me and gives me TU after I send my exchange! 73, Jim K9YC _

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

How? I don´t remember any rig at that time showing signal strength correctly and I started in the hobby in 1958. Only a few modern SDR rigs do it nowadays. And how to you report genuine signal strength reports with AGC turned off? Or while receiving on special rx antennas? Signal strength reports

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 12:20 PM, wrote: > Hopefully we are using real signal reports during the Stew Perry contest. > Stew would have wanted it that way. It's interesting to see people complaining about general contest issues when the thread is specifically about the

Re: Topband: BOG near salt water

"When you say "NOT work", you probably need to specifically list the diminished performance attribute due to more conductive media underneath." The issue with horizontal wire and the ground is the fact that the reflected signal from the ground is 180 degree out of phase, (-1 in the formula)

Re: Topband: SAignal reporting

A contest program that interfaces with the rig could read AGC and be calibrated to give adequate signal-strength readings, maybe not quite equal to a laboratory field-strength meter but better than auto-5NN. Few things are more ludicrous than being given 5NN & then asked for four or five

Topband: placement oc coil

Hello to all.I am planning a 60 foot vertical.I am wanting to either place a coil on the vertical for topband.The vertical is a hy-tower.I have base loaded(not very effective) I have toploaded with a single wire(not enough room).I now have plenty of room.So my question. Base load with many

Re: Topband: placement oc coil

Hello John I, too, have experimented with base and top loading with verticals on Topband. No question about it, the toploading is much better. Just take a look at your feedpoint impedance with the base coil vs any sort of top loading. One point to note, a specific coil that will resonate

Re: Topband: placement oc coil

Rule of thumb...The higher you place the loading coil on the tower before the horizontal top loading wire, the more efficient the antenna will be. If the coil is at the top and then connects to a top loading wire you solve several problems. If the wire end is brought temporarily near the

Re: Topband: placement oc coil

_ A. E. BUZZ JEHLE POB 2277 BANDERA TX 78003-2277 USA 1 830 796 4196 CELL 1 713 725 5914 On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:24 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote: Rule of thumb...The higher you place the loading coil on the tower before the horizontal top loading wire, the

Re: Topband: [Bulk] placement oc coil

Rudy N6LF has covered the top loading issues pretty thoroughly, see http://rudys.typepad.com/files/qex-short-verticals-for-160m.pdf Bottom line IMO: install as many top loading wires as you can as horizontal as possible and then consider a loading coil. I had eight 6' spokes of 3/8 Al tubing

Re: Topband: What would Stew want?

enough said, or needs to be said,,, lets close this thread now dx is 73 john w8wej On 1/8/2016 6:18 PM, Tree wrote: The Boring ARC does not pretend to know whether or not Stew would want the TBDC named after him. The Boring ARC did not create the Stew - it just saw a good idea that came

Re: Topband: SAignal reporting

Hi Mort, Well it could happen to us LIDs with poor fists on every QSO. 73, Bill KU8H On 01/08/2016 03:57 PM, Mort wrote: A contest program that interfaces with the rig could read AGC and be calibrated to give adequate signal-strength readings, maybe not quite equal to a laboratory

Re: Topband: BOG near salt water

Not arguing at all with your "why" that goes with diminished performance. Just pointing out that it's not an on-off switch but a diminishment to a BOG that can still be useful with amplification and attention to issues that hound all BOGs. Regards, Guy K2AV On Friday, January 8, 2016, JC

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

I completely agree with Don on this. the incessant and utterly meaningless "599" or "59" because it is programmed in and the operator too lazy to think about a real signal report makes the minimal value of contests sink to zero. They have become nothing more than a vehicle to keep the ham radio

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

"Back when the signal report was a real part of the exchange and contesters tended to exchange honest reports, a major contest could be an opportunity to determine how well your station got out" The days of "honest reports" in a contest? I am 63 years old, operated my first contest when I

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

Sorry, I think this is nonsense, especially directed toward SPTBDC. If you want to know "how well you got out" and better yet, how well you're hearing, just look at your results listing in columns BestDxKM/MAXP/QRP/LOW and compare with similar stations in your region. Also check whether you

Topband: RST in contests

Guy - I think we have beat this one into the ground. And it really isn't consistent with the purpose of this reflector. Thanks. Tree N6TR _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

"...The days of "honest reports" in a contest? I am 63 years old, operated my first contest when I was 18 and I don't remember those days. You found out how well your station "got out" by how long you waited in the pileups and how much of the time you could call CQ. ..." Well, when I retired

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

I agree. This is my biggest gripe about contests, meaningless signal reports. You hear SIG 599 PSE RPT. Any data sent which does not convey information is noise. This turns off hams, and more importantly, prospective hams. Hopefully we are using real signal reports during the Stew Perry

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

You don't USE signal reports in Stew Perry, just grid squares. The only place anybody might use real signal reports in contests these days is QRP contests. 73, Barry N1EU On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 12:20 PM, wrote: > > I agree. This is my biggest gripe about contests,

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

One really needs to look at the contest rules before deciding to not send RST. If it is the rules, please send it. A few years ago, there was a bit of a blow up on the CQ Contest reflector over this very issue. A high scoring station decided to not send RST. He did this in order to shave a few

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

Does anyone recall the signal reports provided by Shortwave Listeners? It was SINFO, later SINPO. Signal, interference, noise, propagation, and overall. - If I recall correctly. It gave a better picture of signal quality, but took time. SWL's have time, Contesters do not. My $0.02 Art - NK8X

Topband: BOG near salt water

When you say "NOT work", you probably need to specifically list the diminished performance attribute due to more conductive media underneath. It is very easy to model a BOG over more conductive media. It should be noted that the ability to form a *pattern* is retained, but the *sensitivity* is

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

On Fri,1/8/2016 8:34 AM, Mort wrote: Now, stuck with a DOS log, too old for exporting, I blench at the thought of typing 62 years'-worth, especially as I've made more QSOs since retiring than before. Before giving up on exporting it, cast about for text-based methods of exporting it to

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

It's been a long time since I entered a contest seriously so I can't get DQd. Doug I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could. _ One really needs to look at the contest rules before deciding to not send RST. If it is the rules, please send it. A few years

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

So for contesters the next logical step would be to eliminate the signal report. Doug I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could. -Original Message- Does anyone recall the signal reports provided by Shortwave Listeners? It was SINFO, later SINPO. Signal,

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

"...some folks cried fowl" So, did he chicken out ? 73 - Mort, G2JL _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

On Fri,1/8/2016 6:49 AM, kol...@rcn.com wrote: In my experience, the average contester is more operationally and technically savvy than the average ham, especially the average ham that complains about them. I agree. The contesters I know have better rigs, better antenna systems, better

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

No he just ducked "...some folks cried fowl" So, did he chicken out ? 73 - Mort, G2JL _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband . _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

Especially on 160 meters I don't think the S in RST has a lot of scientific value since there is no real numerical standard as it relates to true signal strength. In my own mind I have come up with a standard in which the S is directly related to the S meter reading on my radio (so I don't have

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

What I often do during a phone contest exchange is omit the signal report and only give out the section, serial number, etc. Very few operators request the signal report and when they do I reply 'my report to you is already in your logging program, there is no use in repeating it.' I could say a

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

Touché > On Jan 8, 2016, at 8:49 AM, kol...@rcn.com wrote: > > In my experience, the average contester is more operationally and > technically savvy than the average ham, especially the average ham that > complains about them. > > 73, Kevin K3OX > > > > Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: Stew Beef

Eggsactly. -- Michael Adams | N1EN | m...@n1en.org -Original Message- "...some folks cried fowl" So, did he chicken out ? 73 - Mort, G2JL _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband