Re: Topband: ARRL 160

[donovanf]

Hi Trevor, 


I looked at your QRZ.COM page and I'm concerned that your tower 
and Yagis may be degrading the performance of your nearby 160 
meter vertical. It can contribute unwanted nulls and unwanted 
ground loss. What is the height of your tower to the top of your mast? 


Small loop antennas ("magnetic loops") such as the Wellbrook are 
great for nulling local RFI, but they're low performance receiving 
antennas for DXers as you've discovered. Beverages are very 
effective receiving antennas but their directivity will be degraded 
by a nearby 160 meter vertical and perhaps your tower too. 


Its will take a great deal of wire to improve your existing radial 
system even marginally, perhaps four times more wire than in your 
current radial system. 


73 
Frank Donovan 
W3LPL 





- Original Message -

From: "MR TREVOR DUNNE"  
To: donov...@starpower.net 
Cc: g...@ka1j.com, "topband List"  
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:19:04 PM 
Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL 160 

I understand that I have to improve my RX antennas as currently I find the TX 
antenna is better on RX that both of my current RX antennas, While I get a good 
reduction in noise floor on the RX antenna's the DX just isn't workable on them 

The TX antenna is 55ft of Aluminum Tube It tapers from 2.25" to 1" at the top, 
I have 2 top loading wires each 50ft long tied off to Tall trees in the 
distance, 
The ends of the top loading wires are approximately 45ft high, I'm using a 4" 
diameter coil double tapped to get Resonance and to match the feedline to 
50ohms, 

I have currently 48 radials mostly between 15-25m long, I hope to improve this 
greatly in the spring before the grass starts to grow again, 

RX antennas are a Wellbrook loop and a 450ft Beverage pointing NE for JA/OC 

I need to put something up for NA and hope to do this over the holiday period 
ready for CQ160 in the new year, 



Thanks 
Trevor 
EI2GLB 

- Original Message - 
From: donov...@starpower.net 
To: "MR TREVOR DUNNE"  
Cc: g...@ka1j.com, "topband List"  
Sent: Thursday, 7 December, 2017 15:22:26 
Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL 160 

Hi Trevor, 

Please share with us the details of your antenna and ground system 
Better transmit performance should be achievable 

73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

- Original Message - 
From: MR TREVOR DUNNE ei2...@eircom.net 
To: g...@ka1j.com 
Cc: ''topband List'' topband@contesting.com 
Sent: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 18:44:36 -0500 (EST) 
Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL 160 

Running 1kw to a 55ft top loaded vertical over a decent radial field I found 
many many stations that I could hear quiet well that could not hear me, it's 
very disheartening, 

Is it my system or there's that's not working. 

I'm already planning improvements for next year to try to improve my tx 
performance, 

Trevor 
EI2GLB 

- Original Message - 
From: Gary Smith g...@ka1j.com 
To: topband@contesting.com 
Sent: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 21:25:26 - (GMT) 
Subject: Topband: ARRL 160 

This is the first major contest that I 
have taken part in a while, at least to 
the extent I actually put a real effort 
into it. Its taken a bit to get back in 
the game after my friend Pat became a SK 
this year. That said, I almost matched my 
score from two years ago when the band 
conditions were for me, far better for DX 
than this weekend. 

I was running QRP with a less than ideal 
antenna yet still managed 535 QSOs. It was 
frustrating to hear so much DX and not be 
able to have them hear me. I'm guessing I 
must've heard at least 15 countries that I 
didn't work. When running QRP on 160, you 
have to go for low hanging fruit. I'm sure 
it's the same for everyone. 

I was grateful that there weren't any 
storms happening locally this time and for 
the most part bands were pretty quiet. 
AMTRAK had its way with me at the Gray 
lines what with commuter trains running at 
that time but being a weekend made their 
schedule a little easier. 

One of the surprises was when K7RAT called 
me Sunday Morning so at least my QRP 
signals were getting up to Boring, Oregon. 
The band must've been good because his 
signals were truly marvelous here as well, 
one of the loudest  cleanest signals on 
the band and he heard me with no trouble. 
If that was you at the helm, thank you 
Tree for the multiplier! 

Sunday morning at Gray line was really 
something beautiful to see on the P3. 1/2 
hour before there may have been 50-70 
people CQing and then the waterfall became 
a Kaleidoscope with the band packed with 
people as tight as sardines up to 1875 or 
so. It's obvious when the band changes and 
the atmospheric noise is visualized as 
color in motion, in two dimensions. If you 
haven't seen the morning Gray line on a 
waterfall during a 160 contest, you're 
missing something interesting. 

Hope all had fun. 

73, 

Gary 
KA1J 
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Re: Topband: ARRL 160

[MR TREVOR DUNNE]

I understand that I have to improve my RX antennas as currently I find the TX 
antenna is better on RX that both of my current RX antennas, While I get a good 
reduction in noise floor on the RX antenna's the DX just isn't workable on them

The TX antenna is 55ft of Aluminum Tube It tapers from 2.25" to 1" at the top, 
I have 2 top loading wires each 50ft long tied off to Tall trees in the 
distance,
The ends of the top loading wires are approximately 45ft high, I'm using a 4" 
diameter coil double tapped to get Resonance and to match the feedline to 
50ohms,

I have currently 48 radials mostly between 15-25m long, I hope to improve this 
greatly in the spring before the grass starts to grow again, 

RX antennas are a Wellbrook loop and a 450ft Beverage pointing NE for JA/OC

I need to put something up for NA and hope to do this over the holiday period 
ready for CQ160 in the new year,



Thanks
Trevor
EI2GLB

- Original Message -
From: donov...@starpower.net
To: "MR TREVOR DUNNE" 
Cc: g...@ka1j.com, "topband List" 
Sent: Thursday, 7 December, 2017 15:22:26
Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL 160

Hi Trevor,

Please share with us the details of your antenna and ground system
Better transmit performance should be achievable

73
Frank
W3LPL

- Original Message -
From: MR TREVOR DUNNE ei2...@eircom.net
To: g...@ka1j.com
Cc: ''topband List'' topband@contesting.com
Sent: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 18:44:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL 160

Running 1kw to a 55ft top loaded vertical over a decent radial field I found 
many many stations that I could hear quiet well that could not hear me, it's 
very disheartening,

Is it my system or there's that's not working.

I'm already planning improvements for next year to try to improve my tx 
performance,

Trevor
EI2GLB 

- Original Message -
From: Gary Smith g...@ka1j.com
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 21:25:26 - (GMT)
Subject: Topband: ARRL 160

This is the first major contest that I 
have taken part in a while, at least to 
the extent I actually put a real effort 
into it. Its taken a bit to get back in 
the game after my friend Pat became a SK 
this year. That said, I almost matched my 
score from two years ago when the band 
conditions were for me, far better for DX 
than this weekend.

I was running QRP with a less than ideal 
antenna yet still managed 535 QSOs. It was 
frustrating to hear so much DX and not be 
able to have them hear me. I'm guessing I 
must've heard at least 15 countries that I 
didn't work. When running QRP on 160, you 
have to go for low hanging fruit. I'm sure 
it's the same for everyone.

I was grateful that there weren't any 
storms happening locally this time and for 
the most part bands were pretty quiet. 
AMTRAK had its way with me at the Gray 
lines what with commuter trains running at 
that time but being a weekend made their 
schedule a little easier.

One of the surprises was when K7RAT called 
me Sunday Morning so at least my QRP 
signals were getting up to Boring, Oregon. 
The band must've been good because his 
signals were truly marvelous here as well, 
one of the loudest  cleanest signals on 
the band and he heard me with no trouble. 
If that was you at the helm, thank you 
Tree for the multiplier!

Sunday morning at Gray line was really 
something beautiful to see on the P3. 1/2 
hour before there may have been 50-70 
people CQing and then the waterfall became 
a Kaleidoscope with the band packed with 
people as tight as sardines up to 1875 or 
so. It's obvious when the band changes and 
the atmospheric noise is visualized as 
color in motion, in two dimensions. If you 
haven't seen the morning Gray line on a 
waterfall during a 160 contest, you're 
missing something interesting.

Hope all had fun.

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: Topband: ARRL 160

[Mark K3MSB]

Hi Marsh

I agree.  This is a basic technique and I’ve used it for decades.While
stations butt heads on the “zero beat” frequency I transmit 100 to 200 Hz
above and usually make the contact.  During the ARRL 160 Meter contest
there were times I was transmitting 300 to 400 Hz high to make the
contact. If your station can project power than you can butt heads;
those of us that have more modest stations need to do things differently.
   This technique works well for contests and DXpeditions  (although
thankfully most dxps run split).

Running stations and using a very narrow filter is asking for problems.   I
typically use 250 Hz and make sure my RIT is well oiled.If a station
successfully encroaches on my run frequency such that I have to go to (say)
a 100 Hz filter,  I find another frequency – there’s plenty of real-estate
on 160M.

73 Mark K3MSB




On Dec 7, 2017 12:07 PM,  wrote:

I respectfully disagree with Don Kirk. My experience has been different. I
don't how many pileups I've broken quickly - where the station I'm trying to
work is operating simplex - by going split and transmitting a few Hz above
or below "zero beat". The operator at the other end is trying to copy a
callsign, and if everybody is "zero beat" it makes it very difficult to copy
anybody. Anything you can do to make your signal "stand out" or
differentiate it from the crowd makes it easier for the station you're
trying to work. (Also speeding up or slowing down a few WPM sometimes
helps.)

Someone taught me this a long time ago, and it works. He's worked a lot of
good DX in the last sixty (60) years or so.

73,
Marsh, KA5M




-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Don Kirk
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:17 AM
To: MR TREVOR DUNNE 
Cc: g...@ka1j.com; topband List 
Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL 160

Hi Trevor,

Besides your TX antenna, another issue I have observed over the years is the
importance of being as close to zero beat as possible.  The modern HF radios
offer very narrow RX filtering options, and during very crowded band
conditions most of the stations are running very tight filters and I find
that if I'm off zero beat by much more than 100 hertz I'm often not heard.
I use a very old HF rig and run a 500 hertz filter, and found myself having
to continuously adjust my TX frequency until I popped into the passband of
the station I was trying to work (very difficult to zero beat my radio in
any kind of timely fashion).  I finally installed an audio filter (Hi-Per
Mite) with 200 Hz bandwidth and this has basically fixed my problem (99.9
percent improvement).

Previously it was very frustrating hearing a station 20 dB over S9 that
could not hear me.  I originally thought they were using an RX antenna not
pointed my direction, but most often I was just not in their RX passband.

Just another possibility.
73,
Don (wd8dsb)


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Re: Topband: ARRL 160

[Wes Stewart]

Jose,

First thank you for the QSO.  You are one of the few Europeans I have worked on 
160 with my very modest station in southern Arizona and are a new one for me.


I think the that the key here is "a few Hz" offset.  Of course 100 Hz is more 
than a few and would be too much for a receiving station with a 50 Hz filter in 
use.  I will just turn on XIT and dial in +/- 20 - 30 Hz.


As a practical matter in my case, I will in all likelihood not be heard in any 
pileup of central or east coast USA stations anyway.


Wes  N7WS

On 12/7/2017 10:53 AM, Jose Ramon wrote:

That's not going to work often during a contest. It depends on how crowded
is the band you stretch or narrow your passband. When a narrow filter is
set if you call 100 Hz away we won't hear you.
During a dxp the scenario is quite different, you're the alone, I normally
set, whenever is possible, the widest passband so I can hear anyone on the
split within 2,5 KHz, the brain does the rest.

Thanks for the last weekend ARRL contest QSOs.

73
Jose, EA7KW

2017-12-07 18:33 GMT+01:00 Wes Stewart :


Shh.  You're giving away my secrets.

Wes  N7WS

On 12/7/2017 10:07 AM, ma...@ka5m.net wrote:


I respectfully disagree with Don Kirk. My experience has been different. I
don't how many pileups I've broken quickly - where the station I'm trying
to
work is operating simplex - by going split and transmitting a few Hz above
or below "zero beat". The operator at the other end is trying to copy a
callsign, and if everybody is "zero beat" it makes it very difficult to
copy
anybody. Anything you can do to make your signal "stand out" or
differentiate it from the crowd makes it easier for the station you're
trying to work. (Also speeding up or slowing down a few WPM sometimes
helps.)

Someone taught me this a long time ago, and it works. He's worked a lot of
good DX in the last sixty (60) years or so.

73,
Marsh, KA5M



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Re: Topband: ARRL 160

[Jose Ramon]

That's not going to work often during a contest. It depends on how crowded
is the band you stretch or narrow your passband. When a narrow filter is
set if you call 100 Hz away we won't hear you.
During a dxp the scenario is quite different, you're the alone, I normally
set, whenever is possible, the widest passband so I can hear anyone on the
split within 2,5 KHz, the brain does the rest.

Thanks for the last weekend ARRL contest QSOs.

73
Jose, EA7KW

2017-12-07 18:33 GMT+01:00 Wes Stewart :

> Shh.  You're giving away my secrets.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 12/7/2017 10:07 AM, ma...@ka5m.net wrote:
>
>> I respectfully disagree with Don Kirk. My experience has been different. I
>> don't how many pileups I've broken quickly - where the station I'm trying
>> to
>> work is operating simplex - by going split and transmitting a few Hz above
>> or below "zero beat". The operator at the other end is trying to copy a
>> callsign, and if everybody is "zero beat" it makes it very difficult to
>> copy
>> anybody. Anything you can do to make your signal "stand out" or
>> differentiate it from the crowd makes it easier for the station you're
>> trying to work. (Also speeding up or slowing down a few WPM sometimes
>> helps.)
>>
>> Someone taught me this a long time ago, and it works. He's worked a lot of
>> good DX in the last sixty (60) years or so.
>>
>> 73,
>> Marsh, KA5M
>>
>>
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Re: Topband: ARRL 160

[Wes Stewart]

Shh.  You're giving away my secrets.

Wes  N7WS

On 12/7/2017 10:07 AM, ma...@ka5m.net wrote:

I respectfully disagree with Don Kirk. My experience has been different. I
don't how many pileups I've broken quickly - where the station I'm trying to
work is operating simplex - by going split and transmitting a few Hz above
or below "zero beat". The operator at the other end is trying to copy a
callsign, and if everybody is "zero beat" it makes it very difficult to copy
anybody. Anything you can do to make your signal "stand out" or
differentiate it from the crowd makes it easier for the station you're
trying to work. (Also speeding up or slowing down a few WPM sometimes
helps.)

Someone taught me this a long time ago, and it works. He's worked a lot of
good DX in the last sixty (60) years or so.

73,
Marsh, KA5M



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Re: Topband: ARRL 160

[marsh]

I respectfully disagree with Don Kirk. My experience has been different. I
don't how many pileups I've broken quickly - where the station I'm trying to
work is operating simplex - by going split and transmitting a few Hz above
or below "zero beat". The operator at the other end is trying to copy a
callsign, and if everybody is "zero beat" it makes it very difficult to copy
anybody. Anything you can do to make your signal "stand out" or
differentiate it from the crowd makes it easier for the station you're
trying to work. (Also speeding up or slowing down a few WPM sometimes
helps.)

Someone taught me this a long time ago, and it works. He's worked a lot of
good DX in the last sixty (60) years or so.

73,
Marsh, KA5M




-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Don Kirk
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:17 AM
To: MR TREVOR DUNNE 
Cc: g...@ka1j.com; topband List 
Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL 160

Hi Trevor,

Besides your TX antenna, another issue I have observed over the years is the
importance of being as close to zero beat as possible.  The modern HF radios
offer very narrow RX filtering options, and during very crowded band
conditions most of the stations are running very tight filters and I find
that if I'm off zero beat by much more than 100 hertz I'm often not heard.
I use a very old HF rig and run a 500 hertz filter, and found myself having
to continuously adjust my TX frequency until I popped into the passband of
the station I was trying to work (very difficult to zero beat my radio in
any kind of timely fashion).  I finally installed an audio filter (Hi-Per
Mite) with 200 Hz bandwidth and this has basically fixed my problem (99.9
percent improvement).

Previously it was very frustrating hearing a station 20 dB over S9 that
could not hear me.  I originally thought they were using an RX antenna not
pointed my direction, but most often I was just not in their RX passband.

Just another possibility.
73,
Don (wd8dsb)


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Re: Topband: ARRL 160

[Don Kirk]

Hi Trevor,

Besides your TX antenna, another issue I have observed over the years is
the importance of being as close to zero beat as possible.  The modern HF
radios offer very narrow RX filtering options, and during very crowded band
conditions most of the stations are running very tight filters and I find
that if I'm off zero beat by much more than 100 hertz I'm often not heard.
I use a very old HF rig and run a 500 hertz filter, and found myself having
to continuously adjust my TX frequency until I popped into the passband of
the station I was trying to work (very difficult to zero beat my radio in
any kind of timely fashion).  I finally installed an audio filter (Hi-Per
Mite) with 200 Hz bandwidth and this has basically fixed my problem (99.9
percent improvement).

Previously it was very frustrating hearing a station 20 dB over S9 that
could not hear me.  I originally thought they were using an RX antenna not
pointed my direction, but most often I was just not in their RX passband.

Just another possibility.
73,
Don (wd8dsb)

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 6:44 PM, MR TREVOR DUNNE  wrote:

> Running 1kw to a 55ft top loaded vertical over a decent radial field I
> found many many stations that I could hear quiet well that could not hear
> me, it's very disheartening,
>
> Is it my system or there's that's not working.
>
> I'm already planning improvements for next year to try to improve my tx
> performance,
>
> Trevor
> EI2GLB
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Gary Smith 
> To: topband@contesting.com
> Sent: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 21:25:26 - (GMT)
> Subject: Topband: ARRL 160
>
> This is the first major contest that I
> have taken part in a while, at least to
> the extent I actually put a real effort
> into it. Its taken a bit to get back in
> the game after my friend Pat became a SK
> this year. That said, I almost matched my
> score from two years ago when the band
> conditions were for me, far better for DX
> than this weekend.
>
> I was running QRP with a less than ideal
> antenna yet still managed 535 QSOs. It was
> frustrating to hear so much DX and not be
> able to have them hear me. I'm guessing I
> must've heard at least 15 countries that I
> didn't work. When running QRP on 160, you
> have to go for low hanging fruit. I'm sure
> it's the same for everyone.
>
> I was grateful that there weren't any
> storms happening locally this time and for
> the most part bands were pretty quiet.
> AMTRAK had its way with me at the Gray
> lines what with commuter trains running at
> that time but being a weekend made their
> schedule a little easier.
>
> One of the surprises was when K7RAT called
> me Sunday Morning so at least my QRP
> signals were getting up to Boring, Oregon.
> The band must've been good because his
> signals were truly marvelous here as well,
> one of the loudest & cleanest signals on
> the band and he heard me with no trouble.
> If that was you at the helm, thank you
> Tree for the multiplier!
>
> Sunday morning at Gray line was really
> something beautiful to see on the P3. 1/2
> hour before there may have been 50-70
> people CQing and then the waterfall became
> a Kaleidoscope with the band packed with
> people as tight as sardines up to 1875 or
> so. It's obvious when the band changes and
> the atmospheric noise is visualized as
> color in motion, in two dimensions. If you
> haven't seen the morning Gray line on a
> waterfall during a 160 contest, you're
> missing something interesting.
>
> Hope all had fun.
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
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Re: Topband: ARRL 160

[donovanf]

Hi Trevor,

Please share with us the details of your antenna and ground system
Better transmit performance should be achievable

73
Frank
W3LPL

- Original Message -
From: MR TREVOR DUNNE ei2...@eircom.net
To: g...@ka1j.com
Cc: ''topband List'' topband@contesting.com
Sent: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 18:44:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL 160

Running 1kw to a 55ft top loaded vertical over a decent radial field I found 
many many stations that I could hear quiet well that could not hear me, it's 
very disheartening,

Is it my system or there's that's not working.

I'm already planning improvements for next year to try to improve my tx 
performance,

Trevor
EI2GLB 

- Original Message -
From: Gary Smith g...@ka1j.com
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 21:25:26 - (GMT)
Subject: Topband: ARRL 160

This is the first major contest that I 
have taken part in a while, at least to 
the extent I actually put a real effort 
into it. Its taken a bit to get back in 
the game after my friend Pat became a SK 
this year. That said, I almost matched my 
score from two years ago when the band 
conditions were for me, far better for DX 
than this weekend.

I was running QRP with a less than ideal 
antenna yet still managed 535 QSOs. It was 
frustrating to hear so much DX and not be 
able to have them hear me. I'm guessing I 
must've heard at least 15 countries that I 
didn't work. When running QRP on 160, you 
have to go for low hanging fruit. I'm sure 
it's the same for everyone.

I was grateful that there weren't any 
storms happening locally this time and for 
the most part bands were pretty quiet. 
AMTRAK had its way with me at the Gray 
lines what with commuter trains running at 
that time but being a weekend made their 
schedule a little easier.

One of the surprises was when K7RAT called 
me Sunday Morning so at least my QRP 
signals were getting up to Boring, Oregon. 
The band must've been good because his 
signals were truly marvelous here as well, 
one of the loudest  cleanest signals on 
the band and he heard me with no trouble. 
If that was you at the helm, thank you 
Tree for the multiplier!

Sunday morning at Gray line was really 
something beautiful to see on the P3. 1/2 
hour before there may have been 50-70 
people CQing and then the waterfall became 
a Kaleidoscope with the band packed with 
people as tight as sardines up to 1875 or 
so. It's obvious when the band changes and 
the atmospheric noise is visualized as 
color in motion, in two dimensions. If you 
haven't seen the morning Gray line on a 
waterfall during a 160 contest, you're 
missing something interesting.

Hope all had fun.

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: Topband: ARRL 160 CW last weekend

[Ed Hughes]

Hello Rune, from Ed KG4W. I found conditions last night the same as you did.
The only Eu station I copied was OZ1OP, but he no copy me.
But last weekend, conditions were real good. I was not on past 0300z but 
worked these DX

C6 CM CT3 EA EU F FP GM GW HA I KL KP2 LA (LA7THA hi) LY LZ OH0 OK OM ON
PJ2 S5 SM UA UA2 UR YL YO ZA ZF I notice the LA I worked was you !!

73
Ed
KG4W

On 12/7/2017 2:19 AM, Rune Øye wrote:

Hi All,

I am just curios on how Nort America Top banders experienced the condition
this last weekend. I was participating a little the last night and I can
say I have never heard as any NA station in one go before.Yes you have the
“Big guns” that always lets my S meter “dance” however, many other stations
that came through kind of marginal but with some effort and on a qsb peak
the qso was made. I was particularly active the last night and I mad about
130 + QSO`s. How was the signal strength the other way?.



73 Rune LA7THA
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Re: Topband: Any recommendation for vertical

[Clive GM3POI]

Before worrying about the type of antenna, you should evaluate the needed
ground system. As without an effective ground system the actual antenna is
of little consequence. 73 Clive GM3POI

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From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Elan Paim
Sent: 07 December 2017 08:11
To: Topband
Subject: Topband: Any recommendation for vertical

 
 

 Hi  
 
Is any one have any experience with  
 
Vertical fir160/80 m ?
 
I think zero five have some.  
 
But not sure however if I can built my salfe it will be great  
 
Thank you kind  
 
Happy holiday to all  
 
Vy 73 elan g0uut
 

 
 

 
 
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Re: Topband: Any recommendation for vertical

[David Cutter via Topband]

Elan

I see from your QRZ page that you already have several towers and Yagi. 
Have you considered using one as a top-loaded vertical?  Do a Google search.


David
G3UNA


- Original Message - 
From: "Elan Paim" 

To: "Topband" 
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 8:11 AM
Subject: Topband: Any recommendation for vertical






Hi

Is any one have any experience with

Vertical fir160/80 m ?

I think zero five have some.

But not sure however if I can built my salfe it will be great

Thank you kind

Happy holiday to all

Vy 73 elan g0uut







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Topband: Any recommendation for vertical

[Elan Paim]

 
 

 Hi  
 
Is any one have any experience with  
 
Vertical fir160/80 m ?
 
I think zero five have some.  
 
But not sure however if I can built my salfe it will be great  
 
Thank you kind  
 
Happy holiday to all  
 
Vy 73 elan g0uut
 

 
 

 
 
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