Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input
Do you get the impression that the ARRL has always been lagging behind dragging their feet and slow to grasp the many advances in our hobby that lie ahead? This is evidenced by their collective inability to make needed upgrades to programs and contest rules. A perfect example is the ARRL 160 meter contest which clearly punishes stations located in the U.S. Territories by counting them as ARRL states rather than DX like they really are. Many have begged and pleaded for change by following the suggested procedures of writing the CAC and Directors for nearly two decades. All attempts are ignored and everything remains the same. Why does this not surprise you? Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 7/12/2015 12:19 AM, W0MU wrote: Boxbe https://www.boxbe.com/overview This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (w...@w0mu.com) Add cleanup rule https://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Ftoken%3DKGQ7K2rJbA0A8cq9XSTTxh9QB3KMt5ARmHO9VKlUsqIgHzbbT793Vj3%252BxJZS0Ho7i33PyJc9l%252FrCED2mtBi2mM3QozGNf5D611trkSdvLfAnkrfrEIOQeNj4nAB%252Fp8Z8wXQUqWG%252Bok4%253D%26key%3DBN0jmI2mociaFNtg4YpgWnEldPY5U9AehZTWUF4gG64%253Dtc_serial=21942965372tc_rand=1641169178utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001 | More info http://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=21942965372tc_rand=1641169178utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001 While the horse and carriage still exist very few use them. I am sorry you feel badly about ham radio as we have had some very amazing advancesWeak signal programs are amazing. On 7/11/2015 10:09 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: I sat down to write an intelligent response to the remote question but realized I don't really care anymore. The Amateur Radio that I grew up with, and loved, is gone forever. Thanks to the ARRL and the FCC, it has been dumbed down and deregulated to the point where it's just another Citizens Band. 73, Roger _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input
Why should we be concerned where the operator of a remote station is actually located. The location of the actual station is all that really matters. Remote control of your station provides an amazing advance of our hobby. It provides an reliable escape to so many who are not able to construct antennas at their homes due to restrictions and restrictive covenants. Here in the Virgin Islands I have built and functional SO2R station (NP2P) which provides for the operator (N2TTA) to operate from his apartment in NYC. The ability to over come obstacles and have the interfaces that provide for automatic band switching of the Alpha 87A, rotor control, on screen monitoring of the amp(s), selection of direction RX Beverages for the low bands, antenna selection of seven different antennas such as quad, verticals and horizontal dipoles, all take our technology to a new level. The reliability by end to end fiber connectivity and the reduction of cost of most of the hardware cost at a more reasonable level. Let's face it that remote control operation is here to stay and it applications are advancing everyday. Restricting such operations by imposing old archaic rules is moving in the wrong direction. Hopefully those that make the rules will not preclude such wonderful advances to amateur radio. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 7/10/2015 9:11 PM, Greg Zenger wrote: Bob and the others, I understand (and even agree with, at least to an extent) many of the arguments against remote operation. It seems like most of these arguments are against remote stations that are rented, or remote stations that are self owned but at a different location than the operators primary operating location (Other side of country, lower noise QTH, etc.) Do you have a problem with those of us who operate our own primary stations remotely? Sometimes I am sent out of the continental USA for business trips, and I can be away for months at a time. I'm likely to miss a good DXpedition or two during that time away. By operating remotely, it gives me something to do in the hotel room when the work for the day is complete, and it drives me to build a more robust and reliable station, because I dont have the luxury of making repairs until I return home. It sure is nice to have these 'remote' contacts that I make count towards my award. Afterall, every contact applied toward my award was made from the same antennas, connected to the same radios, in the same yard, regardless of where I was when I touched the paddles or PTT. Curious to hear your opinions on this particular angle. 73, Greg N2GZ On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Robert Harmon k...@pacbell.net wrote: Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being acceptable for DXCC. (Charlie, you have one more year on me, I was licensed in 1958 :-) I have pursued the DXCC awards for all these years and now to allow remote op to be granted the same awards gives the DXCC awards almost zero value. Whether the remote operation is rented or self owned it makes no difference. I'm sure a lot of us have the same thinking on this but haven't had the opportunity to express our feelings. Actually I believe the majority of ARRL DXers feel this way. I think the board needs to find a way to get input from the majority ! Lastly, One consideration for the board to look at is to have a separate DXCC category for remote operation. Then everyone is happy and there would be a level playing field for each category, home station or remote. (After all that is the crux of the issue) 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Charles Cu nningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hi, Mike Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957. In my opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for DXCC. Perhaps a special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of us over the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and antennas within the bounds available to us! To have to compete with remote Super Stations that are sited to provide significant advantages on certain DX paths or bands REALLY spoils it for oo many of us, and establishes is as a Sport for the Rich like so many other things in our society! I am opposed to offering conventional DXCC credit for remote operations! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tony K1AMF Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:10 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already. Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector. Original message From: ARRL Members Only Web site memberl...@www.arrl.org Date: 07/09/2015 7:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: k1...@live.com Subject: ARRL Board
Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input
This issue is actually bigger than the farce it is making of the ARRL awards programs. When you write your Division Director you might also ask him at what point will the League consider 'for rent' commercial remotes -- which are already in operation today -- an affront to the amateur spectrum? At what point will these stations be indistinguishable from common carrier networks, which are highly regulated in the US? If Verizon Wireless wakes up one day and realizes they have much of the infrastructure in place (towers, internet connections, backup generators, billing systems) would the League be receptive to them dotting both coasts with remotes? At what point will the amateur community finally object? The barriers to entry into this game are really not that high for the right player. The more commercial the Amateur Service becomes, the more vulnerable it becomes at spectrum allocation time. You might also ask your Director how the League's support of commercial remotes is consistent with their very prominent push of HR 1301 and S 1685 (The Amateur Radio Parity Act of 2015). Why would lawmakers want to provide relief from antenna restrictions if all a ham has to do is sign up for RemoteHamRadio.com or similar to get on the air? Years of ARRL efforts in this arena can disappear pretty quickly, and it wouldn't take a very bright lobbyist for an association of HOAs to figure this out. All they'd have to do is point to the RemoteHamRadio.com ad on the page facing the April 2015 editorial in QST the editorial that announces the January Board decision and arguably supports commercial remotes. Larry K5RK _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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I sat down to write an intelligent response to the remote question but realized I don't really care anymore. The Amateur Radio that I grew up with, and loved, is gone forever. Thanks to the ARRL and the FCC, it has been dumbed down and deregulated to the point where it's just another Citizens Band. 73, Roger _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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People should be free to operate any way they please - within the rules. I understand this discussion is about what the rules should be. It's all about having fun! It's also about striking a reasonable balance between the many benefits of remote operation (discussed here multiple times) and the disruption caused by the rapid expansion of remote operation (also discussed here). To each his own I say and don't worry about the other guy. Be satisfied with what you accomplished - in the way you chose to do it. Let's put this into perspective- People are dying out there. This issue is really not important. 73, Bob AA6VB _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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All excellent points and very well stated Larry Cecil K5DL Sent using recycled electrons. On Jul 11, 2015, at 6:48 AM, Larry Burke w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: This issue is actually bigger than the farce it is making of the ARRL awards programs. When you write your Division Director you might also ask him at what point will the League consider 'for rent' commercial remotes -- which are already in operation today -- an affront to the amateur spectrum? At what point will these stations be indistinguishable from common carrier networks, which are highly regulated in the US? If Verizon Wireless wakes up one day and realizes they have much of the infrastructure in place (towers, internet connections, backup generators, billing systems) would the League be receptive to them dotting both coasts with remotes? At what point will the amateur community finally object? The barriers to entry into this game are really not that high for the right player. The more commercial the Amateur Service becomes, the more vulnerable it becomes at spectrum allocation time. You might also ask your Director how the League's support of commercial remotes is consistent with their very prominent push of HR 1301 and S 1685 (The Amateur Radio Parity Act of 2015). Why would lawmakers want to provide relief from antenna restrictions if all a ham has to do is sign up for RemoteHamRadio.com or similar to get on the air? Years of ARRL efforts in this arena can disappear pretty quickly, and it wouldn't take a very bright lobbyist for an association of HOAs to figure this out. All they'd have to do is point to the RemoteHamRadio.com ad on the page facing the April 2015 editorial in QST the editorial that announces the January Board decision and arguably supports commercial remotes. Larry K5RK _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Although I agree with many who have posted to this thread I will only say this. The ARRL can not create a DXCC rule that they have no ability to enforce. Other than some He Said She Said that Joe Doe's signal was coming from the wrong direction so he wasn't transmitting from his home station. Even then who is to say that Joe Doe wasn't off visiting some ham buddy on the other side of the country? Then it is legal under current rules. And no one complains about that type of operation. John k9uwa John Goller, K9UWA Jean Goller, N9PXF Antique Radio Restorations k9...@arrl.net Visit our Web Site at: http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com 4836 Ranch Road Leo, IN 46765 USA 1-260-637-6426 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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What's the ethical difference between an NA east coast op who uses an NA west coast remote to work 160m Asian DX, and an NA east coast op who flies to a friend's NA west coast QTH for a week to work 160m Asian DX? What's the ethical difference between paying someone to assemble and maintain a station in your home QTH, and using a remote station ~5 miles away? A DXer can submit a QSL card or LoTW confirmation to the DXCC desk as evidence of a QSO, but there is no practical way for the DXer to prove that he or she was operating from a particular location when that QSO was made. So while a single QTH endorsement sounds appealing, it would be entirely based on the honor system. The ARRL has established DXCC rules it can (mostly) enforce. Operator location isn't one of those rules, so it's up to each DXer to choose how he or she will operate. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of John K9UWA Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 1:04 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Although I agree with many who have posted to this thread I will only say this. The ARRL can not create a DXCC rule that they have no ability to enforce. Other than some He Said She Said that Joe Doe's signal was coming from the wrong direction so he wasn't transmitting from his home station. Even then who is to say that Joe Doe wasn't off visiting some ham buddy on the other side of the country? Then it is legal under current rules. And no one complains about that type of operation. John k9uwa John Goller, K9UWA Jean Goller, N9PXF Antique Radio Restorations k9...@arrl.net Visit our Web Site at: http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com 4836 Ranch Road Leo, IN 46765 USA 1-260-637-6426 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input
While the horse and carriage still exist very few use them. I am sorry you feel badly about ham radio as we have had some very amazing advancesWeak signal programs are amazing. On 7/11/2015 10:09 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: I sat down to write an intelligent response to the remote question but realized I don't really care anymore. The Amateur Radio that I grew up with, and loved, is gone forever. Thanks to the ARRL and the FCC, it has been dumbed down and deregulated to the point where it's just another Citizens Band. 73, Roger _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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It’s an easy problem to solve. Just change every country with districts into multiple DXCC entities. WØ-W9. Ten new countries. VE1, VE2, VK1 etc. Move to another “country,” start all over. And restart DXCC by band and mode from scratch. No grandfathered credits. How about on April 1, 2016? If you move from Phoenix to Seattle you keep your credits. Move a few hundred miles West to LA, too bad. From Pittsburgh to Cleveland, no dice. Great fun. Think of the possibilities. The pile ups, scheds, getting up in the wee hours of the night all over again just for an “ATNO.” Think of the money that could be raised to fund DXpeditions to re-activate wet rocks or islands with no indigenous population. Now look in the mirror and ask yourself if your DXCC totals prove anything other than how old you are. Steve WB6RSE _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Jim, Thanks, I have done the same. You can give your opinion on this subject by contacting your ARRL division director. Click on this webpage, select your director, and send an email ! http://www.arrl.org/divisions http://www.arrl.org/divisions 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On Fri,7/10/2015 7:09 AM, Tony K1AMF wrote: Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Here's what I wrote to my Director, and to a few others who I know. My Subject line was DXCC Rules and Remote Operation. = = = = = In advance of a meeting where I expect this issue to be discussed, I want to let you know how I feel about DXCC Rules and Remote Operation. I am strongly opposed to the use of a remote station to give the operator a geographical advantage over his licensed location for geographically based awards like DXCC, WAS, VUCC. I also object to the use of rented stations for this purpose, no matter where they are located. I have no objection to an operator using a remote station that he has built with or without the assistance of others within a few hundred miles of his home QTH. I am also strongly opposed to the current DXCC Rules that allow credit for QSOs made from a location anywhere in the continental United States. I favor instead a rule similar to that for VUCC, which allows credit for QSOs made no more than 200 km apart. For DXCC, 700 miles might be a more appropriate distance. The existing rule greatly cheapens the award. Having operated first from WV, then from Chicago, and now from Northern California, I can testify that working DX on any band is very different between W8/W9 and W6. I did not start over moving from WV to Chicago, but I did when moving to CA 9 years ago. I would have felt that I was cheating if I had not. I have 135 countries confirmed on 160M and 201 on 80M since moving to W6 nine years ago. Under the current rules, I could almost certainly add 50 countries to each of those bands by renting a station in W1 for any contest weekend. That stinks. 73, Jim Brown K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Hi Larry You right, I sent my comments to the board. The main rule I would like to see implemented it the one in place, or almost in place I should say it. All 160m QSL cards are verified by a certified 160m DXCC holder. QSO's during day time are rejected. However LOTW does not have a simple software routine to check day time QSO's on 160m and validate them. I reported several day time QSO's on 160m from few PY's well know, but because the way LOTW works, if the QSO match on the files when those QSO's was uploaded. It mean's validated!! ... and as valid the DXCC credit was just few dollars away!! Without the same QSL verification on/for the paper QSL! I don't think the DXCC board will protect Ham Radio service when ARRL opened the door for commercial use of ham radio frequencies paid U$ per minute. I see nothing wrong with the love to implement a remote station or a DX club remote station. I really love the technology that we built , it is part of our DNA BUT !! and here is the BUT , when we welcome HRH to commercialize air time per dollar using our HAM RADIO privilege frequencies, we are in risk to lose our entire ham radio privilege. It has nothing to do with remote operation at all. It is about the nature of our service. We are allowing the change of the nature of our service! When we do so. It is just a matter of who pay more, it become a price negotiation of the air waves usage . No love or passion anymore , just pure money talk. Just to be aware there is real invasion of new HF services hungry for broadband digital communication. Some future discussion will be only about revenue and not about public safety, innovation, love for radio, all things we care and hold us together for the last century. Regards JC N4IS -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry Burke Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:01 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input I am fascinated by the enforceability argument. There are a number unenforceable DXCC rules. And they JUST ADDED A NEW ONE in January (For the purpose of DXCC credit, all transmitters and receivers must be located within a 500-meter diameter circle, excluding antennas). At some point it really does come down to honor. Some folks have it, some folks don't. The recent rules tweaking was accompanied by lots of words about ethics, with little clarification of what that word means. While it seems simple, many are equating ethics with rules. They are not usually the same thing. - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of John K9UWA Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 12:04 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Although I agree with many who have posted to this thread I will only say this. The ARRL can not create a DXCC rule that they have no ability to enforce. Other than some He Said She Said that Joe Doe's signal was coming from the wrong direction so he wasn't transmitting from his home station. Even then who is to say that Joe Doe wasn't off visiting some ham buddy on the other side of the country? Then it is legal under current rules. And no one complains about that type of operation. John k9uwa John Goller, K9UWA Jean Goller, N9PXF Antique Radio Restorations k9...@arrl.net Visit our Web Site at: http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com 4836 Ranch Road Leo, IN 46765 USA 1-260-637-6426 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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I told myself when I started Amateur Radio I was going to be a Goose…where every day’s a new day. No awards, just work who you can, when you can, any way you can. So now when I hear DX or there’s a contest I try to make a contact if it’s of interest. As I say, that way every day and contact’s a new one. 73, Gary NL7Y _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Greg, I consider this type of operation totally legitimate. The station never moves around. Dave, W5UN p.s. guys, send your arguments for or against to your ARRL director before Wednesday p.p.s. lets get this resolved On 7/11/2015 1:11 AM, Greg Zenger wrote: Bob and the others, I understand (and even agree with, at least to an extent) many of the arguments against remote operation. It seems like most of these arguments are against remote stations that are rented, or remote stations that are self owned but at a different location than the operators primary operating location (Other side of country, lower noise QTH, etc.) Do you have a problem with those of us who operate our own primary stations remotely? Sometimes I am sent out of the continental USA for business trips, and I can be away for months at a time. I'm likely to miss a good DXpedition or two during that time away. By operating remotely, it gives me something to do in the hotel room when the work for the day is complete, and it drives me to build a more robust and reliable station, because I dont have the luxury of making repairs until I return home. It sure is nice to have these 'remote' contacts that I make count towards my award. Afterall, every contact applied toward my award was made from the same antennas, connected to the same radios, in the same yard, regardless of where I was when I touched the paddles or PTT. Curious to hear your opinions on this particular angle. 73, Greg N2GZ On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Robert Harmon k...@pacbell.net wrote: Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being acceptable for DXCC. (Charlie, you have one more year on me, I was licensed in 1958 :-) I have pursued the DXCC awards for all these years and now to allow remote op to be granted the same awards gives the DXCC awards almost zero value. Whether the remote operation is rented or self owned it makes no difference. I'm sure a lot of us have the same thinking on this but haven't had the opportunity to express our feelings. Actually I believe the majority of ARRL DXers feel this way. I think the board needs to find a way to get input from the majority ! Lastly, One consideration for the board to look at is to have a separate DXCC category for remote operation. Then everyone is happy and there would be a level playing field for each category, home station or remote. (After all that is the crux of the issue) 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Charles Cu nningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hi, Mike Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957. In my opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for DXCC. Perhaps a special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of us over the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and antennas within the bounds available to us! To have to compete with remote Super Stations that are sited to provide significant advantages on certain DX paths or bands REALLY spoils it for oo many of us, and establishes is as a Sport for the Rich like so many other things in our society! I am opposed to offering conventional DXCC credit for remote operations! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tony K1AMF Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:10 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already. Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector. Original message From: ARRL Members Only Web site memberl...@www.arrl.org Date: 07/09/2015 7:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: k1...@live.com Subject: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Hello, Next week, the Board of Directors will be holding their second meeting of the year. One of the topics up for discussion is the recent change in DXCC rules, particularly as to the use of remote operations for DXCC credit. I would be interested in knowing what you, the ARRL member, feel about the rules for DXCC. In particular, I would like to know what your opinion is regarding crediting (for awards) DX contacts made by remote control operations, be they through self owned or rented stations. I would be also be interested in your experiences if you have operated remotely in chasing DX for DXCC credit. If you have any other items of interest, please also let me know. Thank you. 73 de Mike N2YBB ARRL Hudson Division Director: Mike Lisenco, N2YBB n2...@arrl.org To unsubscribe from messages, go to: http://p1k.arrl.org/oo/9f9aac45c9716441c7caaf5957d1c686 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http
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Hi Greg, I think we have a little misunderstanding. None of these arguments are against remote operation ! I am all for remote operation even from space, what ever floats your boat. The issue is DXCC award entitlement. A proposal was suggested to have separate DXCC award categories for home vs remote. That way everyone can pursue DXCC to their hearts content and in each category there is a level playing field. (that is the crux of the issue) 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 10, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Greg Zenger n...@gregzenger.com wrote: Bob and the others, I understand (and even agree with, at least to an extent) many of the arguments against remote operation. It seems like most of these arguments are against remote stations that are rented, or remote stations that are self owned but at a different location than the operators primary operating location (Other side of country, lower noise QTH, etc.) Do you have a problem with those of us who operate our own primary stations remotely? Sometimes I am sent out of the continental USA for business trips, and I can be away for months at a time. I'm likely to miss a good DXpedition or two during that time away. By operating remotely, it gives me something to do in the hotel room when the work for the day is complete, and it drives me to build a more robust and reliable station, because I dont have the luxury of making repairs until I return home. It sure is nice to have these 'remote' contacts that I make count towards my award. Afterall, every contact applied toward my award was made from the same antennas, connected to the same radios, in the same yard, regardless of where I was when I touched the paddles or PTT. Curious to hear your opinions on this particular angle. 73, Greg N2GZ On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Robert Harmon k...@pacbell.net wrote: Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being acceptable for DXCC. (Charlie, you have one more year on me, I was licensed in 1958 :-) I have pursued the DXCC awards for all these years and now to allow remote op to be granted the same awards gives the DXCC awards almost zero value. Whether the remote operation is rented or self owned it makes no difference. I'm sure a lot of us have the same thinking on this but haven't had the opportunity to express our feelings. Actually I believe the majority of ARRL DXers feel this way. I think the board needs to find a way to get input from the majority ! Lastly, One consideration for the board to look at is to have a separate DXCC category for remote operation. Then everyone is happy and there would be a level playing field for each category, home station or remote. (After all that is the crux of the issue) 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Charles Cu nningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hi, Mike Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957. In my opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for DXCC. Perhaps a special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of us over the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and antennas within the bounds available to us! To have to compete with remote Super Stations that are sited to provide significant advantages on certain DX paths or bands REALLY spoils it for oo many of us, and establishes is as a Sport for the Rich like so many other things in our society! I am opposed to offering conventional DXCC credit for remote operations! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tony K1AMF Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:10 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already. Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector. Original message From: ARRL Members Only Web site memberl...@www.arrl.org Date: 07/09/2015 7:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: k1...@live.com Subject: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Hello, Next week, the Board of Directors will be holding their second meeting of the year. One of the topics up for discussion is the recent change in DXCC rules, particularly as to the use of remote operations for DXCC credit. I would be interested in knowing what you, the ARRL member, feel about the rules for DXCC. In particular, I would like to know what your opinion is regarding crediting (for awards) DX contacts made by remote control operations, be they through self owned or rented stations. I would be also be interested in your experiences if you have operated remotely in chasing DX for DXCC credit. If you have any other items of interest, please also let me know. Thank you. 73
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I am in complete agreement with Bob and Charlie. The ARRL has dumbed down the DXCC award to the point where it is nearly meaningless. Doug I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could. -Original Message- Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being acceptable for DXCC. (Charlie, you have one more year on me, I was licensed in 1958 :-) I have pursued the DXCC awards for all these years and now to allow remote op to be granted the same awards gives the DXCC awards almost zero value. Whether the remote operation is rented or self owned it makes no difference. I'm sure a lot of us have the same thinking on this but haven't had the opportunity to express our feelings. Actually I believe the majority of ARRL DXers feel this way. I think the board needs to find a way to get input from the majority ! Lastly, One consideration for the board to look at is to have a separate DXCC category for remote operation. Then everyone is happy and there would be a level playing field for each category, home station or remote. (After all that is the crux of the issue) 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Charles Cu nningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hi, Mike Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957. In my opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for DXCC. Perhaps a special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of us over the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and antennas within the bounds available to us! To have to compete with remote Super Stations that are sited to provide significant advantages on certain DX paths or bands REALLY spoils it for oo many of us, and establishes is as a Sport for the Rich like so many other things in our society! I am opposed to offering conventional DXCC credit for remote operations! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tony K1AMF Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:10 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already. Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector. Original message From: ARRL Members Only Web site memberl...@www.arrl.org Date: 07/09/2015 7:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: k1...@live.com Subject: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Hello, Next week, the Board of Directors will be holding their second meeting of the year. One of the topics up for discussion is the recent change in DXCC rules, particularly as to the use of remote operations for DXCC credit. I would be interested in knowing what you, the ARRL member, feel about the rules for DXCC. In particular, I would like to know what your opinion is regarding crediting (for awards) DX contacts made by remote control operations, be they through self owned or rented stations. I would be also be interested in your experiences if you have operated remotely in chasing DX for DXCC credit. If you have any other items of interest, please also let me know. Thank you. 73 de Mike N2YBB ARRL Hudson Division Director: Mike Lisenco, N2YBB n2...@arrl.org To unsubscribe from messages, go to: http://p1k.arrl.org/oo/9f9aac45c9716441c7caaf5957d1c686 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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'Scuze me, guys! I had to take a break for something to eat! Larry - important point! I'll forward my comments to ARRL. Greg, I don't have a problem at all if you are operating your own station remotely, using the same antennas, radios etc. What I would object to would be if you were operating Super Station in the Phillppines to gain some advantage into Asia, the Indian Ocean, VK/ZL etc. I do know of a JA that does exactly that with a Super Station in the Phillippines. I won't mention his JA or DU call here, but I have worked him from here in NC on 17m, when the band should NOT have been open into DU!! All good points guys - but, of course the ARRL willdo whatever they and the Old Boys' Club damn well pleases, just as they have always done! At this point I have worked all but P5 and I missed KH8,Swain's Island when it was active. But with work pressures etc., I was sort of haphazard with my QSLchoresover the years and now I'm trying to round up 4 more cards for CW DXCC Honor Roll and I need to submit some 80m cards for 8-band CWDXCC. Hope I get those last 4 soon! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Greg Zenger Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:11 PM To: topband Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Bob and the others, I understand (and even agree with, at least to an extent) many of the arguments against remote operation. It seems like most of these arguments are against remote stations that are rented, or remote stations that are self owned but at a different location than the operators primary operating location (Other side of country, lower noise QTH, etc.) Do you have a problem with those of us who operate our own primary stations remotely? Sometimes I am sent out of the continental USA for business trips, and I can be away for months at a time. I'm likely to miss a good DXpedition or two during that time away. By operating remotely, it gives me something to do in the hotel room when the work for the day is complete, and it drives me to build a more robust and reliable station, because I dont have the luxury of making repairs until I return home. It sure is nice to have these 'remote' contacts that I make count towards my award. Afterall, every contact applied toward my award was made from the same antennas, connected to the same radios, in the same yard, regardless of where I was when I touched the paddles or PTT. Curious to hear your opinions on this particular angle. 73, Greg N2GZ On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Robert Harmon k...@pacbell.net wrote: Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being acceptable for DXCC. (Charlie, you have one more year on me, I was licensed in 1958 :-) I have pursued the DXCC awards for all these years and now to allow remote op to be granted the same awards gives the DXCC awards almost zero value. Whether the remote operation is rented or self owned it makes no difference. I'm sure a lot of us have the same thinking on this but haven't had the opportunity to express our feelings. Actually I believe the majority of ARRL DXers feel this way. I think the board needs to find a way to get input from the majority ! Lastly, One consideration for the board to look at is to have a separate DXCC category for remote operation. Then everyone is happy and there would be a level playing field for each category, home station or remote. (After all that is the crux of the issue) 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Charles Cu nningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hi, Mike Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957. In my opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for DXCC. Perhaps a special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of us over the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and antennas within the bounds available to us! To have to compete with remote Super Stations that are sited to provide significant advantages on certain DX paths or bands REALLY spoils it for oo many of us, and establishes is as a Sport for the Rich like so many other things in our society! I am opposed to offering conventional DXCC credit for remote operations! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tony K1AMF Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:10 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already. Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector. Original message From: ARRL Members Only Web site memberl...@www.arrl.org Date: 07/09/2015 7:01 PM (GMT
Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input
Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being acceptable for DXCC. (Charlie, you have one more year on me, I was licensed in 1958 :-) I have pursued the DXCC awards for all these years and now to allow remote op to be granted the same awards gives the DXCC awards almost zero value. Whether the remote operation is rented or self owned it makes no difference. I'm sure a lot of us have the same thinking on this but haven't had the opportunity to express our feelings. Actually I believe the majority of ARRL DXers feel this way. I think the board needs to find a way to get input from the majority ! Lastly, One consideration for the board to look at is to have a separate DXCC category for remote operation. Then everyone is happy and there would be a level playing field for each category, home station or remote. (After all that is the crux of the issue) 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Charles Cu nningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hi, Mike Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957. In my opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for DXCC. Perhaps a special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of us over the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and antennas within the bounds available to us! To have to compete with remote Super Stations that are sited to provide significant advantages on certain DX paths or bands REALLY spoils it for oo many of us, and establishes is as a Sport for the Rich like so many other things in our society! I am opposed to offering conventional DXCC credit for remote operations! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tony K1AMF Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:10 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already. Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector. Original message From: ARRL Members Only Web site memberl...@www.arrl.org Date: 07/09/2015 7:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: k1...@live.com Subject: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Hello, Next week, the Board of Directors will be holding their second meeting of the year. One of the topics up for discussion is the recent change in DXCC rules, particularly as to the use of remote operations for DXCC credit. I would be interested in knowing what you, the ARRL member, feel about the rules for DXCC. In particular, I would like to know what your opinion is regarding crediting (for awards) DX contacts made by remote control operations, be they through self owned or rented stations. I would be also be interested in your experiences if you have operated remotely in chasing DX for DXCC credit. If you have any other items of interest, please also let me know. Thank you. 73 de Mike N2YBB ARRL Hudson Division Director: Mike Lisenco, N2YBB n2...@arrl.org To unsubscribe from messages, go to: http://p1k.arrl.org/oo/9f9aac45c9716441c7caaf5957d1c686 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Remote Ham Radio Ed N5DG On 7/10/2015 9:50 PM, Charles Cu nningham wrote: Excuse my ignorance, Ed, what's RHR? -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ed Stallman Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:34 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Please get an email off to your ARRL Division Director , they do want to hear from you ! The West Gulf Coast Director let me know that he is also receiving email's from op's that think RHR is the best thing since slice bread . Ed N5DG On 7/10/2015 8:09 PM, Larry Burke wrote: Guys, the feedback needs go to your ARRL Division Director, not the Topband Reflector -- the ARRL is not reading this list. Feedback needs to be received prior to next Wednesday, July 15. You can find your Director and his contact information here: http://www.arrl.org/divisions - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Robert Harmon Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:42 PM To: topband Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being acceptable for DXCC. (Charlie, you have one more year on me, I was licensed in 1958 :-) I have pursued the DXCC awards for all these years and now to allow remote op to be granted the same awards gives the DXCC awards almost zero value. Whether the remote operation is rented or self owned it makes no difference. I'm sure a lot of us have the same thinking on this but haven't had the opportunity to express our feelings. Actually I believe the majority of ARRL DXers feel this way. I think the board needs to find a way to get input from the majority ! Lastly, One consideration for the board to look at is to have a separate DXCC category for remote operation. Then everyone is happy and there would be a level playing field for each category, home station or remote. (After all that is the crux of the issue) 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Charles Cu nningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hi, Mike Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957. In my opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for DXCC. Perhaps a special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of us over the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and antennas within the bounds available to us! To have to compete with remote Super Stations that are sited to provide significant advantages on certain DX paths or bands REALLY spoils it for oo many of us, and establishes is as a Sport for the Rich like so many other things in our society! I am opposed to offering conventional DXCC credit for remote operations! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tony K1AMF Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:10 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already. Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector. Original message From: ARRL Members Only Web site memberl...@www.arrl.org Date: 07/09/2015 7:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: k1...@live.com Subject: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Hello, Next week, the Board of Directors will be holding their second meeting of the year. One of the topics up for discussion is the recent change in DXCC rules, particularly as to the use of remote operations for DXCC credit. I would be interested in knowing what you, the ARRL member, feel about the rules for DXCC. In particular, I would like to know what your opinion is regarding crediting (for awards) DX contacts made by remote control operations, be they through self owned or rented stations. I would be also be interested in your experiences if you have operated remotely in chasing DX for DXCC credit. If you have any other items of interest, please also let me know. Thank you. 73 de Mike N2YBB ARRL Hudson Division Director: Mike Lisenco, N2YBB n2...@arrl.org To unsubscribe from messages, go to: http://p1k.arrl.org/oo/9f9aac45c9716441c7caaf5957d1c686 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input
Guys, the feedback needs go to your ARRL Division Director, not the Topband Reflector -- the ARRL is not reading this list. Feedback needs to be received prior to next Wednesday, July 15. You can find your Director and his contact information here: http://www.arrl.org/divisions - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Robert Harmon Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:42 PM To: topband Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being acceptable for DXCC. (Charlie, you have one more year on me, I was licensed in 1958 :-) I have pursued the DXCC awards for all these years and now to allow remote op to be granted the same awards gives the DXCC awards almost zero value. Whether the remote operation is rented or self owned it makes no difference. I'm sure a lot of us have the same thinking on this but haven't had the opportunity to express our feelings. Actually I believe the majority of ARRL DXers feel this way. I think the board needs to find a way to get input from the majority ! Lastly, One consideration for the board to look at is to have a separate DXCC category for remote operation. Then everyone is happy and there would be a level playing field for each category, home station or remote. (After all that is the crux of the issue) 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Charles Cu nningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hi, Mike Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957. In my opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for DXCC. Perhaps a special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of us over the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and antennas within the bounds available to us! To have to compete with remote Super Stations that are sited to provide significant advantages on certain DX paths or bands REALLY spoils it for oo many of us, and establishes is as a Sport for the Rich like so many other things in our society! I am opposed to offering conventional DXCC credit for remote operations! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tony K1AMF Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:10 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already. Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector. Original message From: ARRL Members Only Web site memberl...@www.arrl.org Date: 07/09/2015 7:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: k1...@live.com Subject: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Hello, Next week, the Board of Directors will be holding their second meeting of the year. One of the topics up for discussion is the recent change in DXCC rules, particularly as to the use of remote operations for DXCC credit. I would be interested in knowing what you, the ARRL member, feel about the rules for DXCC. In particular, I would like to know what your opinion is regarding crediting (for awards) DX contacts made by remote control operations, be they through self owned or rented stations. I would be also be interested in your experiences if you have operated remotely in chasing DX for DXCC credit. If you have any other items of interest, please also let me know. Thank you. 73 de Mike N2YBB ARRL Hudson Division Director: Mike Lisenco, N2YBB n2...@arrl.org To unsubscribe from messages, go to: http://p1k.arrl.org/oo/9f9aac45c9716441c7caaf5957d1c686 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input
Bob and the others, I understand (and even agree with, at least to an extent) many of the arguments against remote operation. It seems like most of these arguments are against remote stations that are rented, or remote stations that are self owned but at a different location than the operators primary operating location (Other side of country, lower noise QTH, etc.) Do you have a problem with those of us who operate our own primary stations remotely? Sometimes I am sent out of the continental USA for business trips, and I can be away for months at a time. I'm likely to miss a good DXpedition or two during that time away. By operating remotely, it gives me something to do in the hotel room when the work for the day is complete, and it drives me to build a more robust and reliable station, because I dont have the luxury of making repairs until I return home. It sure is nice to have these 'remote' contacts that I make count towards my award. Afterall, every contact applied toward my award was made from the same antennas, connected to the same radios, in the same yard, regardless of where I was when I touched the paddles or PTT. Curious to hear your opinions on this particular angle. 73, Greg N2GZ On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Robert Harmon k...@pacbell.net wrote: Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being acceptable for DXCC. (Charlie, you have one more year on me, I was licensed in 1958 :-) I have pursued the DXCC awards for all these years and now to allow remote op to be granted the same awards gives the DXCC awards almost zero value. Whether the remote operation is rented or self owned it makes no difference. I'm sure a lot of us have the same thinking on this but haven't had the opportunity to express our feelings. Actually I believe the majority of ARRL DXers feel this way. I think the board needs to find a way to get input from the majority ! Lastly, One consideration for the board to look at is to have a separate DXCC category for remote operation. Then everyone is happy and there would be a level playing field for each category, home station or remote. (After all that is the crux of the issue) 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Charles Cu nningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hi, Mike Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957. In my opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for DXCC. Perhaps a special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of us over the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and antennas within the bounds available to us! To have to compete with remote Super Stations that are sited to provide significant advantages on certain DX paths or bands REALLY spoils it for oo many of us, and establishes is as a Sport for the Rich like so many other things in our society! I am opposed to offering conventional DXCC credit for remote operations! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tony K1AMF Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:10 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already. Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector. Original message From: ARRL Members Only Web site memberl...@www.arrl.org Date: 07/09/2015 7:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: k1...@live.com Subject: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Hello, Next week, the Board of Directors will be holding their second meeting of the year. One of the topics up for discussion is the recent change in DXCC rules, particularly as to the use of remote operations for DXCC credit. I would be interested in knowing what you, the ARRL member, feel about the rules for DXCC. In particular, I would like to know what your opinion is regarding crediting (for awards) DX contacts made by remote control operations, be they through self owned or rented stations. I would be also be interested in your experiences if you have operated remotely in chasing DX for DXCC credit. If you have any other items of interest, please also let me know. Thank you. 73 de Mike N2YBB ARRL Hudson Division Director: Mike Lisenco, N2YBB n2...@arrl.org To unsubscribe from messages, go to: http://p1k.arrl.org/oo/9f9aac45c9716441c7caaf5957d1c686 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input
Please get an email off to your ARRL Division Director , they do want to hear from you ! The West Gulf Coast Director let me know that he is also receiving email's from op's that think RHR is the best thing since slice bread . Ed N5DG On 7/10/2015 8:09 PM, Larry Burke wrote: Guys, the feedback needs go to your ARRL Division Director, not the Topband Reflector -- the ARRL is not reading this list. Feedback needs to be received prior to next Wednesday, July 15. You can find your Director and his contact information here: http://www.arrl.org/divisions - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Robert Harmon Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:42 PM To: topband Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being acceptable for DXCC. (Charlie, you have one more year on me, I was licensed in 1958 :-) I have pursued the DXCC awards for all these years and now to allow remote op to be granted the same awards gives the DXCC awards almost zero value. Whether the remote operation is rented or self owned it makes no difference. I'm sure a lot of us have the same thinking on this but haven't had the opportunity to express our feelings. Actually I believe the majority of ARRL DXers feel this way. I think the board needs to find a way to get input from the majority ! Lastly, One consideration for the board to look at is to have a separate DXCC category for remote operation. Then everyone is happy and there would be a level playing field for each category, home station or remote. (After all that is the crux of the issue) 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Charles Cu nningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hi, Mike Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957. In my opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for DXCC. Perhaps a special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of us over the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and antennas within the bounds available to us! To have to compete with remote Super Stations that are sited to provide significant advantages on certain DX paths or bands REALLY spoils it for oo many of us, and establishes is as a Sport for the Rich like so many other things in our society! I am opposed to offering conventional DXCC credit for remote operations! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tony K1AMF Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:10 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already. Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector. Original message From: ARRL Members Only Web site memberl...@www.arrl.org Date: 07/09/2015 7:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: k1...@live.com Subject: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Hello, Next week, the Board of Directors will be holding their second meeting of the year. One of the topics up for discussion is the recent change in DXCC rules, particularly as to the use of remote operations for DXCC credit. I would be interested in knowing what you, the ARRL member, feel about the rules for DXCC. In particular, I would like to know what your opinion is regarding crediting (for awards) DX contacts made by remote control operations, be they through self owned or rented stations. I would be also be interested in your experiences if you have operated remotely in chasing DX for DXCC credit. If you have any other items of interest, please also let me know. Thank you. 73 de Mike N2YBB ARRL Hudson Division Director: Mike Lisenco, N2YBB n2...@arrl.org To unsubscribe from messages, go to: http://p1k.arrl.org/oo/9f9aac45c9716441c7caaf5957d1c686 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Excuse my ignorance, Ed, what's RHR? -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ed Stallman Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:34 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Please get an email off to your ARRL Division Director , they do want to hear from you ! The West Gulf Coast Director let me know that he is also receiving email's from op's that think RHR is the best thing since slice bread . Ed N5DG On 7/10/2015 8:09 PM, Larry Burke wrote: Guys, the feedback needs go to your ARRL Division Director, not the Topband Reflector -- the ARRL is not reading this list. Feedback needs to be received prior to next Wednesday, July 15. You can find your Director and his contact information here: http://www.arrl.org/divisions - Larry K5RK -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Robert Harmon Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:42 PM To: topband Subject: Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Mike, I also do not like the idea of remote station operation being acceptable for DXCC. (Charlie, you have one more year on me, I was licensed in 1958 :-) I have pursued the DXCC awards for all these years and now to allow remote op to be granted the same awards gives the DXCC awards almost zero value. Whether the remote operation is rented or self owned it makes no difference. I'm sure a lot of us have the same thinking on this but haven't had the opportunity to express our feelings. Actually I believe the majority of ARRL DXers feel this way. I think the board needs to find a way to get input from the majority ! Lastly, One consideration for the board to look at is to have a separate DXCC category for remote operation. Then everyone is happy and there would be a level playing field for each category, home station or remote. (After all that is the crux of the issue) 73, Bob K6UJ On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Charles Cu nningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hi, Mike Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957. In my opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for DXCC. Perhaps a special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of us over the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and antennas within the bounds available to us! To have to compete with remote Super Stations that are sited to provide significant advantages on certain DX paths or bands REALLY spoils it for oo many of us, and establishes is as a Sport for the Rich like so many other things in our society! I am opposed to offering conventional DXCC credit for remote operations! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tony K1AMF Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:10 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already. Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector. Original message From: ARRL Members Only Web site memberl...@www.arrl.org Date: 07/09/2015 7:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: k1...@live.com Subject: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Hello, Next week, the Board of Directors will be holding their second meeting of the year. One of the topics up for discussion is the recent change in DXCC rules, particularly as to the use of remote operations for DXCC credit. I would be interested in knowing what you, the ARRL member, feel about the rules for DXCC. In particular, I would like to know what your opinion is regarding crediting (for awards) DX contacts made by remote control operations, be they through self owned or rented stations. I would be also be interested in your experiences if you have operated remotely in chasing DX for DXCC credit. If you have any other items of interest, please also let me know. Thank you. 73 de Mike N2YBB ARRL Hudson Division Director: Mike Lisenco, N2YBB n2...@arrl.org To unsubscribe from messages, go to: http://p1k.arrl.org/oo/9f9aac45c9716441c7caaf5957d1c686 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com
Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input
FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already. Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector. Original message From: ARRL Members Only Web site memberl...@www.arrl.org Date: 07/09/2015 7:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: k1...@live.com Subject: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Hello, Next week, the Board of Directors will be holding their second meeting of the year. One of the topics up for discussion is the recent change in DXCC rules, particularly as to the use of remote operations for DXCC credit. I would be interested in knowing what you, the ARRL member, feel about the rules for DXCC. In particular, I would like to know what your opinion is regarding crediting (for awards) DX contacts made by remote control operations, be they through self owned or rented stations. I would be also be interested in your experiences if you have operated remotely in chasing DX for DXCC credit. If you have any other items of interest, please also let me know. Thank you. 73 de Mike N2YBB ARRL Hudson Division Director: Mike Lisenco, N2YBB n2...@arrl.org To unsubscribe from messages, go to: http://p1k.arrl.org/oo/9f9aac45c9716441c7caaf5957d1c686 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input
Hi, Mike Well, I've been licensed and a DXer since February 1957. In my opinion remote stations and operations should NOT be acceptable for DXCC. Perhaps a special NEW DXCC could be established for those operations Most of us over the decades have worked diligently so improve our stations and antennas within the bounds available to us! To have to compete with remote Super Stations that are sited to provide significant advantages on certain DX paths or bands REALLY spoils it for oo many of us, and establishes is as a Sport for the Rich like so many other things in our society! I am opposed to offering conventional DXCC credit for remote operations! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tony K1AMF Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:10 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Fwd: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input FYI, now's your chance to speak up if you haven't already. Please e-mail N2YBB or other ARRL board members directly with any questions or comments. Not looking to rehash things here on the reflector. Original message From: ARRL Members Only Web site memberl...@www.arrl.org Date: 07/09/2015 7:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: k1...@live.com Subject: ARRL Board meets next week - I'm looking for input Hello, Next week, the Board of Directors will be holding their second meeting of the year. One of the topics up for discussion is the recent change in DXCC rules, particularly as to the use of remote operations for DXCC credit. I would be interested in knowing what you, the ARRL member, feel about the rules for DXCC. In particular, I would like to know what your opinion is regarding crediting (for awards) DX contacts made by remote control operations, be they through self owned or rented stations. I would be also be interested in your experiences if you have operated remotely in chasing DX for DXCC credit. If you have any other items of interest, please also let me know. Thank you. 73 de Mike N2YBB ARRL Hudson Division Director: Mike Lisenco, N2YBB n2...@arrl.org To unsubscribe from messages, go to: http://p1k.arrl.org/oo/9f9aac45c9716441c7caaf5957d1c686 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
