[mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:48 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
It's actually worse than that, Jim. One doesn't even need a K3/0. All you
need is a computer and an internet
It is not about remote technology or use of or for DXCC, it is the change
into a enterprise carrier service $/min or $/KW.
Now, extrapolate the RHR business model to hundreds of similar paid remote
services, all competing for customers to access what has been free spectrum
regulated by the
And let me counter with another quote:
Edmund Burke said all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good
men do nothing.
Doug
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What difference does it make? Who cares if someone else, rich or not,
cheats?
We should encourage them to work K1N as quickly as
What difference does it make? Who cares if someone else, rich or not, cheats?
We should encourage them to work K1N as quickly as possible and then go away.
I leave you with a Shakespeare quote, It is a tale told by an idiot, full of
sound and fury, but signifying nothing.
Tod, K0TO
Sent from
'The KEY WORD is the COMMUNICATIONS².¹
Milt,
We¹ve already addressed ³communications.² A definition needs to be added
to Part 97.3. Absent a definition, there is no clear meaning of the term
and is left to interpretation, and abuses of interpretation.
IMHO, it is totally legal per written
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Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
Quoting myself:
'Rather than embracing this commercial abuse of free spectrum, the League
should be scrambling to draft a Petition for Rulemaking to prohibit this
form of paid spectrum access - and that should include all for profit
If Paul doesn¹t agree with their interpretation, and thinks they
should cease and
desist, that is why we have the FCC, and failing that, the federal court
system of the United States.²
Steve,
I¹m not going to argue the validity of anyone¹s (mis)interpretation unless
it comes from the FCC or
from that station.
It is what it is. Evolution of technology.
Mis dos centavos.
73 de Milt, N5IA
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From: Paul Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:27 AM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
Quoting myself
(Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.)
Keep in mind that radio communication already has a statutory definition;
incorporating it into Part 97 might make Part 97 clearer...but I think it would
take an act of Congress to actually change the definition for amateur radio
purposes.
From 47 U.S. Code §
http://www.remotehamradio.com/the-stations/
73
Peter
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From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Christensen
Sent: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2015 17:10
To: topband
Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
I'm sure you
Peter,
Tnx. Call signs of the member stations that serve 160m?
Paul
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From: Peter Voelpel dj...@t-online.de
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
http://www.remotehamradio.com
...which happens daily.
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From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Tom W8JI
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 1:10 PM
To: David Raymond; TopBand
Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
I mentioned last week that we would
On 2015-02-04, at 12:45 PM, David Raymond wrote:
I mentioned last week that we would be seeing over seas stations using US
based remotes stations to work K1N. It was mentioned here that this won't
happen, and that the US remote station operators monitor this activity
carefully and do not
Dave - you are correct. That very statement was rather boldly made by a
prominent 160 meter person right here. At the time I thought about
throwing the flag on that one but decided, then, not to. I know the remote
folks can track ISP addresses of those connected but do not know how they
can
I mentioned last week that we would be seeing over seas stations using US
based remotes stations to work K1N. It was mentioned here that this won't
happen, and that the US remote station operators monitor this activity
carefully and do not permit it. Well, it is happening.
Dave,
How do you
off the K1N operation. First class ops all the way.
73 Chas N8RR
From: daraym...@iowatelecom.net
To: topband@contesting.com
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:45:06 -0600
Subject: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
I mentioned last week that we would be seeing over seas stations
This is easily found out without the NSA, just look at who paid for
the minutes
used at a remote station and it would show who used it and when,
Can guarantee that wont be forth coming.
Reminds me of the ole joke:
The first chicken that cackles, laid the egg.
73 Merv K9FD/KH6,
I mentioned
You still haven't proven me wrong!! :-))
Dave - you are correct. That very statement was rather boldly made by a
prominent 160 meter person right here.
That was me. It was a statement of fact.
RHR requires a log in name, password, and they watch IPs. After some early
abuse, they started
Dave - you are correct. That very statement was rather boldly made by a
prominent 160 meter person right here.
That was me. It was a statement of fact.
RHR requires a log in name, password, and they watch IPs. After some early
abuse, they started checking to be sure the name and password come
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From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Doug
Renwick
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 10:29 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
I've said this before. Let's just get rid of all
Just curious, not knowing anymore than I do about RHRhow do they verify
that a paid user even holds a ticket. It would also be alarming to find that
RHR sites are being used to stage DQRM attacks during DXpeditions.
I guess crazier things have been dreamt up
Cecil
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understanding how important the role of remote technology will play in
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AA6YQ comments below
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From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Doug Renwick
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 8:58 PM
To: 'Tom W8JI'; 'JC'; w...@w5zn.org; 'TopBand'
Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
Well thanks Tom
Here's are a couple of quotes from the Remote Ham Radio Newsletter that
showed up in my mailbox today.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
As we write this newsletter the K1N team is on the air with a BIG
signal. We are happy to announce that many have already
Tom - Fair enough. I'll confess I don't know how this is controlled but
since your station, the W8JI station is one of the RHR Premium stations
that RHR subscribers can pay to use I will take it at face value that all
is well.
I am very curious though (seriously) if you, as the station owner, are
RHR requires a log in name, password, and they watch IPs. After some
early abuse, they started checking to be sure the name and password come
from the same IP or IP pool as the user name and password combo. When it
is
a foreign user, of which there are a limited number, the traffic is
Here is one statement posted at a RHR website
◦100% anonymous operation
How is someone going to get around that?
Doug
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RHR requires a log in name, password, and they watch IPs. After some
early abuse, they started checking to be sure the name and password come
W8JI: The last good DXCC's were when we had a mileage limit. Even then,
someone could use a second site. It was actually common to use second
sites. W1BU did it from a swamp, even W1BB had two stations.
Just for the record, it is true that W1BB had two stations, but they were in
the same town
Yes I couldn't agree more. Most interesting was seeing the call signs
belonging to the lynch mob posted here and in private mailings to me. And
believe me, some were of well known DXers.
Doug
I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could.
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snip
I
On Wed,2/4/2015 5:48 PM, Tom W8JI wrote:
Where were the complaints when the radius rule was dropped,
I was inactive, running my consulting biz and having a family life.
73, Jim K9YC
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Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Now, suddenly, it is so unfair.
There have always been the ethically-challenged among us. No one is denying
that. What I sense is a realization by many that DXCC, a program that some
of us naively believed was a credible accomplishment worth investing time
and energy in, has spun totally
AA6YQ
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:00 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Foreign stns using NA remotes for K1N
Remote operation was made legal for DXCC in 1998. At that time, the distance
constraint established was within the same DXCC entity.
17 years later, tightening
By using Tor or Vidalia which provides total anonymity to internet
users, It is free and it also provides protection form illicit IP tracking.
Herb, KV4FZ
On 2/4/2015 9:19 PM, Doug Renwick wrote:
Here is one statement posted at a RHR website
◦100% anonymous operation
How is someone going to
Well thanks Tom for adding another nail to the coffin. I guess the old
saying if you can't beat them, then join them got to you.
You are right on one point. The abolishment of the mileage limit helped
destroy the DXCC.
Doug
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I wouldn't know who their customers are,
I've said this before. Let's just get rid of all this foolishness with RHR,
etc. and just send the dxpedition a couple hundred dollar bills for
confirmation on bands, all modes. Essentially that is what DXing is
becoming for some. Yes the 'Rise and Fall of DXCC' before our vary eyes.
Doug
I don't have a dog in this hunt, I haven't used RHR but reading some
of the comments got me to thinking that things seem to progress on a
logical plane; If you control your radio from your computer say with
N1MM during a contest or use one of the SDR radios with software
guiding the radio, are
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