Re: [tor-dev] Desired exit node diversity

2015-09-23 Thread Griffin
Virgil Griffith wrote: > Tor "exploits the military" into lending cover to activist groups, > which they would presumably support. > This may be too naive a view of the situation. Exploit is definitely the wrong word here. Different people who disagree about {policy|topic|whatever} can all see

Re: [tor-dev] Desired exit node diversity

2015-09-23 Thread Virgil Griffith
Apologies for quick post. If we want to a socially connected link, seems we can use the same infrastructure for doing keysignings parties but we just use relay public keys. That seems a nice distributed way of doing this. On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 at 13:42 Virgil Griffith wrote: > Can we not use the a

Re: [tor-dev] Desired exit node diversity

2015-09-23 Thread Virgil Griffith
Can we not use the argument "anonymity requires diverse company" on both sides? For whole rational actors it seems like this should work. Tor "exploits the military" into lending cover to activist groups, which they would presumably support. This may be too naive a view of the situation. Re: soci

Re: [tor-dev] Desired exit node diversity

2015-09-23 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 06:18:58AM +, Virgil Griffith wrote: > Exit nodes seem a nice place to start concretizing what's meant when we say > we want relay diversity. Comments immensely appreciated because as-is I > don't know the answers to these questions. Hi Virgil, I've been pondering the

[tor-dev] [Measurement Team] Next IRC meeting happens on Thursday, Sep 24, 14:00 UTC in #tor-dev

2015-09-23 Thread Karsten Loesing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello list, This is an announcement/reminder that there will be an IRC meeting of the Measurement Team on Thursday, September 24, 2015, 14:00 UTC in #tor-dev https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20150924T14 This will be the l

Re: [tor-dev] Desired exit node diversity

2015-09-23 Thread Evan d'Entremont
> In application this would be a distribution that although unlikely to be optimal against any specific adversary, it's has robust hardness across a wide variety of adversaries. So, the F-35? Perhaps what needs considered is wether that is even possible; and against which adversaries is TOR desig

Re: [tor-dev] Desired exit node diversity

2015-09-23 Thread Paul Syverson
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:34:54AM +, Virgil Griffith wrote: > > because "the right distribution" is a function of which adversary you're > > considering, and once you consider k adversaries at once, no single > > distribution will be optimal for all of them.) > I agree with Roger that ideall

Re: [tor-dev] Desired exit node diversity

2015-09-23 Thread Virgil Griffith
> because "the right distribution" is a function of which adversary you're > considering, and once you consider k adversaries at once, no single > distribution will be optimal for all of them.) Granted. But since we're speaking idealizations, I say take that the expected-value over the distributi