Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:03:59PM +, adrelanos wrote: A new law proposing to make Tor and similar software illegal in US would be a damn hard hit against Tor. And the other remaining free countries can establish similar laws. No more free countries = no more Tor. No more legal Tor, you

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Ted Smith te...@riseup.net wrote: What did that commenter do? They don't say. Further, get an idea isn't statistics. Where did I talk about exit node statistics? I mentioned the possibility of gathering .onion access statistics. No, but I'd rather say nothing

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Andreas Krey
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:47:26 +, Maxim Kammerer wrote: ... are stupid? As I said, it detracts from the project's credibility. Anyone who installs Tor (or I2P, for that matter) and explores the hidden services, Erm, how *do* you 'explore' hidden services? After all, they are not indexed by

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Andreas Krey a.k...@gmx.de wrote: Erm, how *do* you 'explore' hidden services? The Hidden Wiki [1] is (or are, there have been several alternates) a good start. It used to be down quite often after some kids tried to play in vigilantism on Tor network, but seems

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread antispam06
Sorry for the rant. On Wed, Aug 8, 2012, at 23:47, Maxim Kammerer wrote: Anyone who installs Tor (or I2P, for that matter) and explores the hidden services, immediately sees the overwhelmingly illegal (mostly, since it depends on jurisdiction) content. Anyone who runs an exit node immediately

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread adrelanos
Eugen Leitl: On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:03:59PM +, adrelanos wrote: A new law proposing to make Tor and similar software illegal in US would be a damn hard hit against Tor. And the other remaining free countries can establish similar laws. No more free countries = no more Tor. No more

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Ted Smith
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 09:54 +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Ted Smith te...@riseup.net wrote: What did that commenter do? They don't say. Further, get an idea isn't statistics. Where did I talk about exit node statistics? I mentioned the possibility of

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread adrelanos
Ted Smith: So far you didn't say anything useful or non-obvious, so why did you post? You didn't like someone's written experience, so he is automatically a troll or a false flag — fine, bring your own references. I don't have to bring my own references to point out that the only *actually

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:23:46 -0400 grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: Tor cannot accept known 'illegal' money, therefore acknowledgement is moot. About the best Tor could do is be able to accept anonymous donations in the first place. Then publish a bitcoin address for donations from anyone.

Re: [tor-talk] Bug Remains: OpenSSL library does not load unless bridges are used

2012-08-09 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 3:52 PM, m...@tormail.org wrote: This is a followup post on this issue which persists in Linux TBB 32bit, version 2.2.37-2. Any idea for the cause? What occurs when it doesn't list the library loading (is the library loading?) and why it's listed only on a TBB

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ted Smith te...@riseup.net wrote: How would you do that without facing the same problem as someone wiretapping their own exit node? Do you have a CP classifier? Are you going to load each .onion and manually verify if it contains CP? How are you going to

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread adrelanos
Maxim Kammerer: On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ted Smith te...@riseup.net wrote: How would you do that without facing the same problem as someone wiretapping their own exit node? Do you have a CP classifier? Are you going to load each .onion and manually verify if it contains CP? How are you

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:23 AM, adrelanos adrela...@riseup.net wrote: That wouldn't prove what Tor is used for most. .onion is only a part of Tor. 1% or 99%? Who can know that? Now *that* can actually be measured at RV points, and I think should be a part of Tor metrics. I suspect that the

[tor-talk] Attack against Tor: Statistic Manipulation Attack

2012-08-09 Thread adrelanos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Introduction: There are not only technical attacks against the Tor network. Another strong attack against Tor are legal attacks (i.e. attacking with laws, not saying the attack is legal). The adversary tries to put Tor into the worst light and tries