Re: [tor-talk] problems with TOR and Silk Road

2013-10-04 Thread mirimir
On 10/03/2013 09:59 PM, Vladimir Teplouhov wrote: Hello. 1. Некоторое время назад, я заметил, что TOR слишком долго запускался - до 10-15 минут. При запуске были какие-то ошибки подключения(заблокировали не скомпроментированные узлы через провайдеров?), TOR постоянно просил поставить

[tor-talk] New Onions

2013-10-04 Thread grarpamp
There's a new wave of services appearing. More blogs/personal, lots of multihoming (incl the EUCOM, CCC, cryptoparties, activist media, ru). Lots of Brazil/Petro/etc. GlobalLeaks. And other interesting services/types to mention later. Also many new addresses appearing, yet their content predates

Re: [tor-talk] problems with TOR and Silk Road

2013-10-04 Thread Vladimir Teplouhov
04.10.13, mirimirmiri...@riseup.net написал(а): On 10/03/2013 09:59 PM, Vladimir Teplouhov wrote: 1. Некоторое время назад, я заметил, что TOR слишком долго запускался - до 10-15 минут. При запуске были какие-то ошибки подключения(заблокировали не скомпроментированные узлы через

Re: [tor-talk] New Onions

2013-10-04 Thread intrigeri
grarpamp wrote (04 Oct 2013 08:25:51 GMT) : Lots of identical banners... Tails/Whonix are you shipping some defaults? Tails doesn't ship any web server by default. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to

Re: [tor-talk] New Onions

2013-10-04 Thread Jonathan D. Proulx
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 10:52:53AM +0200, intrigeri wrote: :grarpamp wrote (04 Oct 2013 08:25:51 GMT) : : Lots of identical banners... Tails/Whonix are you shipping some defaults? : :Tails doesn't ship any web server by default. But that does sound like the default Apache banner, especially if

Re: [tor-talk] New Onions

2013-10-04 Thread Griffin Boyce
On 10/04/2013 10:25 AM, grarpamp wrote: It works! This is the default web page for this server. The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet. Define a bunch -- I've given some basic instructions to several people recently on how to set up a hidden service. It could

Re: [tor-talk] tor-talk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 17

2013-10-04 Thread David Larsus
My problem is SR did not sell anything,the vedorers did the selling? On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 2:37 AM, tor-talk-requ...@lists.torproject.orgwrote: Send tor-talk mailing list submissions to tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit

[tor-talk] SR take down

2013-10-04 Thread David Larsus
SR did not sell anything the vendors did the selling.All he has now is all the COINS -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Ted Smith
On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 03:22 +, mirimir wrote: OK, I just read the Maryland complaint. It's obvious what happened. An FBI undercover agent contacted him, wanting to sell large quantities of cocaine. He found a buyer, and delegated the details to his employee. Said employee had full

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread defcon
NSA Calls TOR the king of high-secure, low-latency internethttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/internet anonymity http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/nsa-gchq-attack-tor-network-encryption On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Ted Smith te...@riseup.net wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-04 at

[tor-talk] Guardian Tor article

2013-10-04 Thread Roger Dingledine
Just to start off the new media frenzy thread. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/tor-attacks-nsa-users-online-anonymity http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/oct/04/tor-high-secure-internet-anonymity

Re: [tor-talk] New Onions

2013-10-04 Thread adrelanos
grarpamp: Lots of identical banners... Tails/Whonix are you shipping some defaults? ie: Speaking as a maintainer of Whonix, we currently do not ship any webserver by default. In theory, we could also ship just a pre-configured config file with different defaults. We're not doing that either,

Re: [tor-talk] Guardian Tor article

2013-10-04 Thread defcon
happy to see that they have not cracked TOR encryption and the anonymity of it. We need to focus more on secure browsers and tools that work over TOR since they are relying on browser exploits and hacking services on TOR. I also think more people should consider being an entry and exit node on

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Gordon Morehouse
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Rejo Zenger: ++ 03/10/13 13:49 -0400 - Ahmed Hassan: One question is still remain unanswered. How did they locate Silkroad server before locating him? They had full image of the server before his arrest. Where have you read this or deducted

[tor-talk] Remation -- joint GCHQ/NSA meeting on Tor

2013-10-04 Thread Griffin Boyce
There's been a really interesting document to come out of the Guardian todhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/oct/04/tor-stinks-nsa-presentation-documenay: http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/oct/04/tor-stinks-nsa-presentation-document Interestingly: - NSA/GCHQ was

Re: [tor-talk] Guardian Tor article

2013-10-04 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 11:38:10AM -0400, Roger Dingledine wrote: (Did I miss any good links?) Ah, yes I did: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/nsa-gchq-attack-tor-network-encryption --Roger -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:04AM -0700, Gordon Morehouse wrote: I *think* people are mistaking VPN for VPS here - I can't find the source, but there was some well distributed speculation that the FBI was easily able to obtain a server image without disrupting the site itself by having a VPS

Re: [tor-talk] Guardian Tor article

2013-10-04 Thread adrelanos
Does NSA attack as much Tor users as they can or only targeted attacks? Are there statements/evidence for the former? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Gordon Morehouse
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Roger Dingledine: To be more concrete, their job here is to link the guy to the website. So if they had a pretty good idea of who the guy was, but not enough evidence to bust him, it makes sense to me that they would go find one of the servers,

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread shadowOps07
That's what I thought; if the FBI is guilty of selling the cocaine, then they got away with it? They're using DPR's employee to initiate drug exchange. 1) DPR is not a drug facilitator. He merely host the website for people to use it. 2) Host wasn't located in the US; therefore US has no

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Gordon Morehouse
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Juan Garofalo: I'm wondering if I got this right: The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security' issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spies on everyone paying no attention to 'legal'

Re: [tor-talk] suppression of Guardian story on Tor in Snowden disclosures / FLYING PIG, others?

2013-10-04 Thread coderman
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 5:59 AM, coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote: ... if this story truly is suppressed / killed, [what if] because the story included detailed technical aspects of how Tor is monitored[0] in the context of international counter-terrorism and other data sharing? not quite

Re: [tor-talk] Guardian Tor article

2013-10-04 Thread defcon
i would imagine that the NSA and GCHQ would try and hack and access as many High bandwidth entry and exit nodes as possible, if unable to hack im sure they would monitor the connection from the ISP. In the case of tormail they were trying to get anyone and everyone's ip address, im sure every ip

Re: [tor-talk] Guardian Tor article

2013-10-04 Thread Ted Smith
On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 11:38 -0400, Roger Dingledine wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/oct/04/tor-stinks-nsa-presentation-document Since it hasn't been quoted on-list yet, page two: TOR STINKS * We will never be able to de-anonymize all

Re: [tor-talk] Guardian Tor article - better endpoint and application security

2013-10-04 Thread coderman
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:44 AM, defcon defcon...@gmail.com wrote: ... We need to focus more on secure browsers and tools that work over TOR since they are relying on browser exploits and hacking services on TOR. p7 Tor Project and friends Recent Activity

Re: [tor-talk] New Onions

2013-10-04 Thread Patrick
Where can we see new services? On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 4:25 AM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: There's a new wave of services appearing. More blogs/personal, lots of multihoming (incl the EUCOM, CCC, cryptoparties, activist media, ru). Lots of Brazil/Petro/etc. GlobalLeaks. And other

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Jerzy Łogiewa
Why use VPN at all? Isnt VPN some strange problem? So strange: people keep using the VPN service, but i guess Tor does it better? -- Jerzy Łogiewa -- jerz...@interia.eu On Oct 4, 2013, at 6:09 PM, shadowOps07 wrote: As for VPN, I know several VPN doesn't keep logs at all regardless if they

Re: [tor-talk] Remation -- joint GCHQ/NSA meeting on Tor

2013-10-04 Thread Öyvind Saether
same info with slides: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-target-tor-network-739/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread BM-2cWto4coLsoD6LrFmFcUeBAua7UU2gvTSR
Not necessarily, as long VPN provider doesn't keep logs of your traffic. Like for instance, Phantom Peer works wonderfully since you can use bitcoin for their service. Create a different username that's wouldn't link back to you. :) Original Message From: Jerzy Łogiewa To:

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread BM-2cWto4coLsoD6LrFmFcUeBAua7UU2gvTSR
Stack Overflow, ah the code forum on the website. Ok. I see. Original Message From: Jerzy Łogiewa To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013, 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI So now we know Stack Overflow works with police. -- Jerzy

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Enrique Fynn
could you not use top posting? Makes things difficult to read.[1] [1] http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html Peace; Fynn. -- Even a stopped clock is right twice a day -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Tempest
Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being put into the situation of either complying with the law or facing

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread BM-2cWto4coLsoD6LrFmFcUeBAua7UU2gvTSR
Pretty much.. US is desperate for world control. BEYOND DESPERATION! US is SO hell-bent on a conquest to control the world through deceptions, treaties, and sanctions. Original Message From: Tempest To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013, 12:56 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Al Billings
Talk to the people who write mobile email clients. — http://makehacklearn.org On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Enrique Fynn enriquef...@gmail.com wrote: could you not use top posting? Makes things difficult to read.[1] [1] http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html Peace; Fynn. -- Even a

Re: [tor-talk] New Onions

2013-10-04 Thread grarpamp
Ok, thanks tails/whonix. I saw at least 35 or so, some H1, some nginx and so on... I don't really look beyond trends. That one stuck out. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread Juan Garofalo
--On Friday, October 04, 2013 6:41 PM + Tempest temp...@tushmail.com wrote: Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you?

Re: [tor-talk] Guardian Tor article

2013-10-04 Thread grarpamp
Some have said... this [Snowden meta arena] has been a subject of discussion on the [various] lists as well Congrats, torproject :-D Tor Stinks means you're doing it right; good job Tor devs :) good news everybody; defense in depth is effective and practical! Yes, fine work all hands,

Re: [tor-talk] New Onions

2013-10-04 Thread grarpamp
re CircTech: onionland has publish and index lag so this crop [of default pages] is likely not attributable to any training event over the last week or two. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread mirimir
On 10/04/2013 06:41 PM, Tempest wrote: Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being put into the situation of

[tor-talk] BBG and Tor funding

2013-10-04 Thread mick
See http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/nsa-gchq-attack-tor-network-encryption Note the new addition at the end of this article, presumably added at the request of BBG • This article was amended on 4 October after the Broadcasting Board of Governors pointed out that its support of Tor

Re: [tor-talk] BBG and Tor funding

2013-10-04 Thread BM-2D9WhbG2VeKsLCsGBTPLGwDLQyPizSqS85
The thread referenced appears to suggest it's the Wau Holland Foundation.. See http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/nsa-gchq-attack-tor-network-encryption Note the new addition at the end of this article, presumably added at the request of BBG • This article was amended on 4

[tor-talk] best distro to use Tor

2013-10-04 Thread Gerardo
Hi, I've been using Tor in Windows for a while now, mostly for practical reasons I couldn't change the OS, but I'm thinking now it's time to change to Linux, and I'm a little lost in what particular distro I should use: * Heard a lot about Talis, but I can't use a live cd for my day to day

[tor-talk] Deterministic Builds Part Two: Technical Details

2013-10-04 Thread coderman
Mike Perry has just posted the second half of his reproducible builds effort: Deterministic Builds Part Two: Technical Details - This is the second post in a two-part series on the build security improvements in the Tor Browser Bundle 3.0 release cycle.

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread adrelanos
mirimir: On 10/04/2013 06:41 PM, Tempest wrote: Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about you? outting vpns for being put into the

Re: [tor-talk] Remation -- joint GCHQ/NSA meeting on Tor

2013-10-04 Thread Andrea Shepard
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 05:43:32PM +0200, Griffin Boyce wrote: There's been a really interesting document to come out of the Guardian todhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/oct/04/tor-stinks-nsa-presentation-documenay:

Re: [tor-talk] best distro to use Tor

2013-10-04 Thread krishna e bera
On 13-10-04 09:01 PM, adrelanos wrote: * Is Ubuntu a good option as a guest (and maybe use here the TBB from time to time)? So far is the only Linux distro that I've used Ditch Ubuntu: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks Those problems are

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread mirimir
On 10/04/2013 11:44 PM, adrelanos wrote: mirimir: On 10/04/2013 06:41 PM, Tempest wrote: Juan Garofalo: So that the company can be blacklisted as clowns who cooperate with the US government, unlike a few principled individuals out there? if you trust a vpn, what does that say about

Re: [tor-talk] Guardian Tor article

2013-10-04 Thread Moses
NSA mainly attack TOR user (not TOR itself) by exploiting vulnerabilities in Firefox. Should devs consider to replace the browser in TOR bundle with other browsers (such as chromium)? On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 7:56 PM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: Some have said... this [Snowden meta arena]

Re: [tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

2013-10-04 Thread mirimir
On 10/04/2013 03:01 PM, Ted Smith wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 03:22 +, mirimir wrote: OK, I just read the Maryland complaint. It's obvious what happened. An FBI undercover agent contacted him, wanting to sell large quantities of cocaine. He found a buyer, and delegated the details to

[tor-talk] Relay bandwidth limitation

2013-10-04 Thread A
Hello my boss for my company I work for now is concerned about the snowmen and what relevation he is going to run a tor relay but he wants to be able to limit the amount of bandwidth that is used in order not to impact network performance how and what would I put in the line Sam 5097240098

Re: [tor-talk] Guardian Tor article

2013-10-04 Thread Johny Carson
Moses: NSA mainly attack TOR user (not TOR itself) by exploiting vulnerabilities in Firefox. Should devs consider to replace the browser in TOR bundle with other browsers (such as chromium)? What about Robert Hogan's torora browser for use with Tor (https://code.google.com/p/torora/)? I recall

Re: [tor-talk] problems with TOR and Silk Road

2013-10-04 Thread mirimir
On 10/04/2013 08:40 AM, Vladimir Teplouhov wrote: 04.10.13, mirimirmiri...@riseup.net написал(а): On 10/03/2013 09:59 PM, Vladimir Teplouhov wrote: 1. Некоторое время назад, я заметил, что TOR слишком долго запускался - до 10-15 минут. При запуске были какие-то ошибки

Re: [tor-talk] Guardian Tor article

2013-10-04 Thread Al Billings
What makes you think that Chromium would be more secure? — http://makehacklearn.org On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Moses moses.ma...@gmail.com=mailto:moses.ma...@gmail.com; wrote: NSA mainly attack TOR user (not TOR itself) by exploiting vulnerabilities in Firefox. Should devs consider