,
Mark McCarron
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 16:00:59 -0400
From: paul.syver...@nrl.navy.mil
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 08:31:00PM +0100, Mark McCarron wrote:
Paul
On 06/30/2014 09:14 PM, Mark McCarron wrote: Mick,
I would be very careful what you claim in your emails. I have the
capability of suing you into oblivion, that email constitutes
defamation. Nothing like that was ever said, either retract it or I
will take you for everything that you've
Please Mccarron,
The discussion is dead. You killed it yourself by not adding anything
meaningful as far as I have seen. You just repeat yourself again and again as
if it's a mantra. You got statistics to back up your claims? Good - show them!
You got the script you used to track the onions?
As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
Please Mccarron,
The discussion is dead. You killed it yourself by not adding anything
meaningful as far as I have seen. You just repeat yourself again and again as
if it's a mantra. You got statistics to back up your claims? Good - show
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 08:31:00PM +0100, Mark McCarron wrote:
Paul,
[snip]
Eliminating this correlation attack is trivial.
So you keep saying. Everybody who has worked on this who has responded
has said that they don't know how and that they find this a hard
problem. But your response is
@gmail.com
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 18:32:27 +0100
Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk wrote:
Alex,
You must be living in a fantasy land. The problem still remains, Tor
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 04:41:30PM -0300, Juan wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 14:36:08 -0400
Paul Syverson paul.syver...@nrl.navy.mil wrote:
[snip]
It's hard to imagine what would satisfy you at this point but
perhaps this will help: I designed Tor with Roger and Nick. At all
times we
is being done about
it.
That will tell everyone what they need to know.
Regards,
Mark McCarron
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 16:26:04 -0400
From: paul.syver...@nrl.navy.mil
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 08:31:00PM +0100, Mark McCarron wrote:
Paul,
[snip]
Eliminating this correlation attack is trivial.
So you keep saying. Everybody who has worked on this who has responded
has said
Mark McCarron wrote:
Tor was designed to fit into that global view and provide US intelligence
with the locations of both users and hidden services, whilst pretending to
provide anonymity.
[citation needed]
I don't see anyone denying it. Do you? Its been 6 days already.
There's also a
...@cryptolab.net
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Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
Mark McCarron wrote:
Tor was designed to fit into that global view and provide US intelligence
with the locations of both users and hidden services, whilst
...@cryptolab.net
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor
Security andAnonymity
Mark McCarron wrote:
Tor was designed to fit into that global view and provide US
intelligence with the locations of both users and hidden services,
whilst
On 7/2/14, Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk wrote:
Alex,
You must be living in a fantasy land. The problem still remains, Tor is
vulnerable to a global view and that global view exists according to
Snowden. Further, it would appear that Tor was designed to fit into that
global view
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 4:09 AM, Mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote:
On 06/28/2014 01:31 AM, grarpamp wrote:
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:32 PM, coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote:
From a Trickle to a Flood: Active Attacks on Several Mix Types
http://freehaven.net/doc/batching-taxonomy/taxonomy.pdf
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk wrote:
...
We already know from the Snowden releases that the physical infrastructure
for this is in place. That it spans at least 33 nations covering all major
fiber links. Within the US, all traffic is copied
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 11:29 PM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Even though I take certain issues with it, particularly the call to cease
development of anonymity platforms, a more formal examination is here:
“A Review of the Available Content on Tor Hidden Services: The Case
McMark wrote:
I have been examining the number of what would normally be deemed as illegal
sites sites on Tor.
Even though I take certain issues with it, particularly the call to cease
development of anonymity platforms, a more formal examination is here:
“A Review of the Available Content
On 29 June 2014 20:30, Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk wrote:
Mick,
Congratulations, so you found someone with a similar name what are the odds
of that.
Probably fairly good odds, I guess - it can't be that unusual a name.
But just so we're clear: are you definitely not the same Mark
On 06/30/2014 12:29 AM, grarpamp wrote:
McMark wrote:
I have been examining the number of what would normally be deemed as illegal
sites sites on Tor.
Even though I take certain issues with it, particularly the call to cease
development of anonymity platforms, a more formal examination
On 29 June 2014 21:45, Michael Wolf mikew...@riseup.net wrote:
How do Snowden and the NSA slides titled Tor Stinks fit into your
little conspiracy theory?
Conspiracy theory aside, I'm curious about these. I mean, p12: How
does TOR handle DNS requests?...still investigating.
That seems
OK, I'll bite :)
On 6/30/14, Juan juan@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:31:20 -0400
Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote:
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:19:56PM +0100, Mark McCarron wrote:
Given the scale of this obviousness, I can only assume that you're a
sock puppet for an
As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
OK, I'll bite :)
On 6/30/14, Juan juan@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:31:20 -0400
Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote:
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:19:56PM +0100, Mark McCarron wrote:
Given the scale of this obviousness, I
On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 13:19:43 +, Mark McCarron wrote:
...
Then we also have Snowden, who informs of us PRISM.
You mean the Snowden that also delivered an internal slide of NSA,
stating that they are unable to break tor generally, only with some
success for specific targets? Since that is
On 6/30/14, Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk wrote:
...
Tor appears to be...
Mark, you may be right;
but you have provided NO THING to enable me to
verify ANY THING that you have said in THIS thread!
no one makes any moves to correct the situation
So Mark, make a move already!!
Your
: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 13:19:43 +, Mark McCarron wrote:
...
Then we also have Snowden, who informs of us PRISM.
You mean the Snowden that also delivered an internal slide of NSA,
stating that they are unable
This is wrong in so many ways.
Edward Snowden's info, hand-in-hand with Prism's details, shows how
NSA/GCHQ hates Tor because they can't break it very well. They have to
exploit browser flaws and/or go around Tor to get what they want. If
they owned Tor from the network perspective there
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 19:30:35 +0100
Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk allegedly wrote:
Congratulations, so you found someone with a similar name what are
the odds of that.
So. Can I take that as a no then? You are not that same Mark McCarron?
Mick
On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:05:06 -0400
t...@t-3.net allegedly wrote:
I have a hard time believing that you've been effectively tracking so
much 'child porn, rape, snuff videos' content that you can
conclusively say that all such content has suddenly disappeared from
Tor. My knowledge about
: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 18:11:50 +0100
From: m...@rlogin.net
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:05:06 -0400
t...@t-3.net allegedly wrote:
I have a hard time believing that you've been effectively
On 6/28/2014 10:01 AM, Mark McCarron wrote:
Anyway, we have a simple solution to this global view and hidden services.
We just implement a distributed hosting solution within the Tor system and
end-to-end visibility is gone.
I'm nowhere near done sifting through this thread however Freenet
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:15 AM, coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote:
1) compute the cost of global traffic analysis. we have big data mark
specifically UPSTREAM model collection at backbone peering points.
this is just one part of a series of costs; how much raw DPI capacity
(it is finite)?
McCarron
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 16:32:24 -0700
From: cb...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
To: mark.mccar...@live.co.uk
Please do us all a favor and send this only to the relevant subscriber, instead
of sending them two copies. No one else
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Anonymity
On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:05:06 -0400
t...@t-3.net allegedly wrote:
I have a hard time believing that you've been effectively tracking so
much 'child porn, rape, snuff videos' content that you can
conclusively say that all
Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On 6/29/14, Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk wrote:
I understand everyone's feelings here and tempers can run hot. Firstly, not
I don't know that you do. In fact you continue to generalise
everyone's, which has to be false. I
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:19:56PM +0100, Mark McCarron wrote:
Given the scale of this obviousness, I can only assume that you're a
sock puppet for an intelligence agency who has started to panic about
the network going truly dark.
Deal with it.
Hi Mark,
I've tried to tolerate the conspiracy
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:19:56PM +0100, Mark McCarron wrote:
Given the scale of this obviousness, I can only assume that you're a
sock puppet for an intelligence agency who has started to panic about
the network
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:31:20 -0400
Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu allegedly wrote:
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:19:56PM +0100, Mark McCarron wrote:
Given the scale of this obviousness, I can only assume that you're a
sock puppet for an intelligence agency who has started to panic about
the
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:11:18 +0100
Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk allegedly wrote:
Roger,
I see that you were quite quiet whilst ad hominem attacks were being
made against me. But I will put that to one side for the moment.
As you mentioned, there are legitimate worries, mainly
this
was an unfortunate accident.
Regards,
Mark McCarron
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:41:55 +0100
From: m...@rlogin.net
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:11:18 +0100
Mark McCarron mark.mccar
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 07:30:35PM +0100, Mark McCarron wrote:
I see Roger has remained quiet, so I am assuming he either does not
want to address the issue or is subject to a National Security letter.
Wtf dude?
I'm working on the dev meeting that starts tomorrow. I'll get to answering
your
to that in the future versions of Tor.
Regards,
Mark McCarron
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:54:03 -0400
From: a...@mit.edu
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 07:30:35PM +0100, Mark McCarron
On 6/29/2014 9:11 AM, Mark McCarron wrote:
As you mentioned, there are legitimate worries, mainly that Tor and people
like yourself have a conflict of interest. The main funding appears to come
from the US military. It appears to many of us, that the software has been
deliberately kept
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On 6/29/2014 9:11 AM, Mark McCarron wrote:
As you mentioned, there are legitimate worries, mainly that Tor and people
like yourself have a conflict of interest. The main funding appears to
come from
On 6/29/2014 4:20 PM, Mark McCarron wrote:
Mike,
Thanks for the input, but this end-to-end traffic analysis is a well
documented problem by the Tor devs themselves. Although, what is missing
from the devs statements is more revealing, namely that it can be fixed by
removing visibility
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:31:20 -0400
Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote:
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:19:56PM +0100, Mark McCarron wrote:
Given the scale of this obviousness, I can only assume that you're a
sock puppet for an intelligence agency who has started to panic about
the network going
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 4:14 PM, coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote:
...
1) compute the cost of global traffic analysis. we have big data mark
to put a ball park on it, but the point is: the cost is non zero and
non trivial.
specifically UPSTREAM model collection at backbone peering points.
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Juan juan@gmail.com wrote:
...
You´ve been officially threatened by one of the ´leaders´ of the
´tor family´ for (unlike me) politely point out tor´s obvious
flaws.
pointing out obvious flaws - as in, it's so easy to protect
@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Juan juan@gmail.com wrote:
...
You´ve been officially threatened by one of the ´leaders´ of the
´tor family´ for (unlike me) politely
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:32 PM, coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Juan juan@gmail.com wrote:
traffic correlation is trivial if you can watch traffic in and
out of the network.
... Tor, by design, is useless against
governments that can do
On 6/28/14, Mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote:
On 06/28/2014 01:31 AM, grarpamp wrote:
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:32 PM, coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Juan juan@gmail.com wrote:
traffic correlation is trivial if you can watch traffic in and
out
On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:48:27 -0700
coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Juan juan@gmail.com wrote:
...
And so we have amusing tor lackeys like ¨coderman¨
parroting propaganda that not even the tor developers
themselves believe.
is gone.
Regards,
Mark McCarron
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 11:19:00 -0300
From: juan@gmail.com
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:48:27 -0700
coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote
On 6/29/14, Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk wrote:
I understand everyone's feelings here and tempers can run hot. Firstly, not
I don't know that you do. In fact you continue to generalise
everyone's, which has to be false. I haven't seen much in the way of
tempers in this thread, just
Well, I think this is settling down into a proper discussion. Whilst the
hypothesis is untested, leveraging illegal activity, especially reviled illegal
activity, as a metric for the quality of anonymity and security provided by Tor
is a sound strategy.
As mentioned before, the 'canary' is
On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:53:46 +0100
Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk wrote:
Well, I think this is settling down into a proper discussion. Whilst
the hypothesis is untested, leveraging illegal activity, especially
reviled illegal activity, as a metric for the quality of anonymity
and
-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:53:46 +0100
Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk wrote:
Well, I think this is settling down into a proper discussion. Whilst
the hypothesis is untested, leveraging illegal activity, especially
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Juan juan@gmail.com wrote:
...
And so we have amusing tor lackeys like ¨coderman¨
parroting propaganda that not even the tor developers
themselves believe.
this is amusing! explain to me where i've said Tor resists traffic analysis?
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Juan juan@gmail.com wrote:
... Tor, by design, is useless against
governments that can do traffic analysis. For instance, the US
government.
last but not least, passive confirmation attacks are passe; the best
attacks active.
From a
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:28:42 +0100
Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk wrote:
I have been examining the number of what would normally be deemed as illegal
sites sites on Tor. Eliminating the narcotics trade, as these tend to be
intelligence agency backed enterprises, a serious decline
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote:
...
As far as I know, no hidden service site has ever been compromised
through an inherent weakness of Tor. Am I wrong in saying that?
i am only aware of one Tor vulnerability that led to compromised
hidden services of
Haleluja brothers and sisters!
Brother McCarron has step up to say something to us!
I say preach it brother!
Mark McCarron:
I have been examining
How?
the number
Can you say the number, oh brother?
of what would
Would like you're not sure of the healing power of the Holy Spirit?
In re: Mark McCarron wrote:
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 2:00 AM, coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote:
...
As far as I know, no hidden service site has ever been compromised
through an inherent weakness of Tor. Am I wrong in saying
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:49 AM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote:
...
the original argument is based on faulty assumptions.
Rather, it presents untested hypotheses. As in the past with
these sorts of sites, the operator perhaps got vanned for reasons
other than any particular weakness of
I have been examining the number of what would normally be deemed as illegal
sites sites on Tor. Eliminating the narcotics trade, as these tend to be
intelligence agency backed enterprises, a serious decline has been noted across
the board.
This would tend to suggest that exposure is common
On 6/25/2014 3:28 PM, Mark McCarron wrote:
I have been examining the number of what would normally be deemed as illegal
sites sites on Tor. Eliminating the narcotics trade, as these tend to be
intelligence agency backed enterprises, a serious decline has been noted across
the board.
This
I think the Freedom Hosting and Silk Road arrests shook many people's
confidence greatly, so they're very hesitant to keep using illegal hidden
services. Everything else beyond that seems like conjecture, especially the
idea that all of the narcotics markets are backed by spooks. If there is a
and Security of Tor?
The software is compromised in some fashion and we need to understand this.
Regards,
Mark McCarron
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:17:41 -0500
From: joebtfs...@gmx.com
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security
, at worst, non-existent.
Anyway, this is off-topic, so I won't be delving into this any further.
Regards,
Mark McCarron
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:36:06 -0400
From: ape...@gmail.com
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:28:42 +0100
Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk wrote:
I have been examining the number of what would normally be deemed as
illegal sites sites on Tor. Eliminating the narcotics trade, as
these tend to be intelligence agency backed enterprises, a serious
decline has
On 6/25/2014 4:56 PM, Mark McCarron wrote:
Basically, I keep a track of site numbers year-on-year, site availability from
3rd party monitoring and read comments on forums and chat. From what I can
gather, most of these sites were suspected of being honeypots due to their
tendency to remove
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk wrote:
Basically, I keep a track of site numbers year-on-year, site availability
from 3rd party monitoring and read comments on forums and chat.
from this you draw too many unsupported conclusions.
Whilst it may be
Anonymous is an astro-turfed cover for the CIA.
Regards,
Mark McCarron
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:16:48 -0300
From: juan@gmail.com
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:28:42 +0100
Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Mark McCarron mark.mccar...@live.co.uk
wrote:
Basically, I keep a track of site numbers year-on-year, site availability
from 3rd party monitoring and read comments on forums and chat.
from this you
On 06/25/2014 03:56 PM, Mark McCarron wrote:
Basically, I keep a track of site numbers year-on-year, site
availability from 3rd party monitoring and read comments on forums
and chat. From what I can gather, most of these sites were suspected
of being honeypots due to their tendency to remove
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Illegal Activity As A Metric of Tor Security and
Anonymity
On 06/25/2014 03:56 PM, Mark McCarron wrote:
Basically, I keep a track of site numbers year-on-year, site
availability from 3rd party monitoring and read comments
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