Re: [TOS] tos Digest, Vol 98, Issue 1
Agreed. I'd also add that spreading students out or letting them choose their own projects is essential. I was one of seven or so Edubuntu devs in 2006-7 when a professor from somewhere sent their entire lecture hall of 60+ kids out with a directive to contribute to edu FOSS, giving only our project as an acceptable example. For seven part-time volunteers, this was overwhelming and did some temporary harm to the project as the students drowned out the teachers and school IT folks in our MLs and IRC channel trying to get help. The students were very demanding of attention, mostly out of fear that they wouldn't get a good grade. Our people who wanted to mentor but just didn't have time to manage that many unacculturated but excited young people in addition to working on the project, supporting its users, holding day jobs, having families, etc. Students can be valuable OSS contributors. I was when I was young. However, they are also high-maintenance in the initial ramp-up. Your typical student today hasn't yet worked in a professional environment, doesn't communicate efficiently, and needs a good deal of prodding to pick up the level of independence needed to function in OSS and *then* start ramping up their technical skill. The overhead can be worth it if 1/3 or even 1/5 turn into solid contributors, but it is a real cost and it can overwhelm a project if a large influx occurs at once. Susan On 03/06/2018 06:09 AM, Clif Kussmaul wrote: > Outside of academic settings, I think it's rare for someone to pick a > project and dive into its community. > Most people get involved with a community because they use and care about > the software, > and gradually get more involved in the community, following an onion or > pyramid model. > First they use the software, then they ask & answer forum questions, then > submit bug reports & feature requests, > then patches / pull requests, etc. > > It might be hard to follow this model in a course, but I think students > would be more motivated and engaged > in a project that they used and felt connected to. > > > Clif > --- > Clif Kussmaul c...@kussmaul.org http://kussmaul.org +1-484-893-0255 > EDT=GMT-5 > > -Original Message- > Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:00:29 -0500 > From: Tom Callaway > To: tos@teachingopensource.org > Subject: [TOS] What makes a "good" open source project for Academic > involvement? > Message-ID: <909a2f7b-e86e-aa96-08ac-134501337...@redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Obviously, no teacher, class, or academic institution are the same, but I'm > curious to know what aspects of an open source community make it "good" for > you to connect your students with it. > > Not looking to make a list of "good" communities, but rather, interested in > hearing what things that they do that made them a "good" fit. Are there > things that you wish open source communities would do more often (or at all) > to help make them more student/academic friendly? > > I've got my own ideas here, but I'm interested in hearing this from an > academic perspective first. :) > > Thanks in advance, > > ~tom > > > > ___ > tos mailing list > tos@teachingopensource.org > http://lists.teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos > TOS website: http://teachingopensource.org/ > -- Susan E. Sons Chief Security Analyst IU Center for Applied Cybersecurity Research smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ tos mailing list tos@teachingopensource.org http://lists.teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos TOS website: http://teachingopensource.org/
Re: [TOS] tos Digest, Vol 98, Issue 1
It almost goes without saying, but it’s always nice when the instructions for setting up the development environment for a project work! We often find that those instructions are out of date. Greg Hislop From: tos [mailto:tos-boun...@teachingopensource.org] On Behalf Of shivananda poojara Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 6:22 AM To: Discussions about Teaching Open Source Subject: Re: [TOS] tos Digest, Vol 98, Issue 1 Hello All, We are supporting and engaging my students to contribute or use open source software in the academics wherever required, starting from documentation, joining to mailing list, communicating in IRC and referring to wiki... We normally conduct open source awareness sessions by students to their juniors like open source principles, philosophy, what is HFOSS, how to use got, IRC, identify open source projects and how to get connected. I need to thank RedHat University Outreach program from Pune India, they are mentoring four open source projects from last 8 months, where students learnt many open source culture and contributed many patches. These projects are under the verge of completion but again they are involving thier juniors to continue. We are very much happy that within three years of span our open source club grown up from 11 memebers to 68 members. Culture, environment and mindset about open source is initiated. Thanks Shivananda R Poojara On 6 Mar 2018 4:39 p.m., "Clif Kussmaul" mailto:clifkussm...@gmail.com>> wrote: Outside of academic settings, I think it's rare for someone to pick a project and dive into its community. Most people get involved with a community because they use and care about the software, and gradually get more involved in the community, following an onion or pyramid model. First they use the software, then they ask & answer forum questions, then submit bug reports & feature requests, then patches / pull requests, etc. It might be hard to follow this model in a course, but I think students would be more motivated and engaged in a project that they used and felt connected to. Clif --- Clif Kussmaul c...@kussmaul.org<mailto:c...@kussmaul.org> http://kussmaul.org<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fkussmaul.org&data=02%7C01%7Chislopg%40drexel.edu%7C13df19aa8ae646e2f1af08d58360%7C3664e6fa47bd45a696708c4f080f8ca6%7C0%7C1%7C636559324898915286&sdata=TCwkp6jf4N2i7ycCRg5bR5%2B749IC7s3h9Ln7xBEXwwU%3D&reserved=0> +1-484-893-0255 EDT=GMT-5 -Original Message- Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:00:29 -0500 From: Tom Callaway mailto:tcall...@redhat.com>> To: tos@teachingopensource.org<mailto:tos@teachingopensource.org> Subject: [TOS] What makes a "good" open source project for Academic involvement? Message-ID: <909a2f7b-e86e-aa96-08ac-134501337...@redhat.com<mailto:909a2f7b-e86e-aa96-08ac-134501337...@redhat.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Obviously, no teacher, class, or academic institution are the same, but I'm curious to know what aspects of an open source community make it "good" for you to connect your students with it. Not looking to make a list of "good" communities, but rather, interested in hearing what things that they do that made them a "good" fit. Are there things that you wish open source communities would do more often (or at all) to help make them more student/academic friendly? I've got my own ideas here, but I'm interested in hearing this from an academic perspective first. :) Thanks in advance, ~tom ___ tos mailing list tos@teachingopensource.org<mailto:tos@teachingopensource.org> http://lists.teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.teachingopensource.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftos&data=02%7C01%7Chislopg%40drexel.edu%7C13df19aa8ae646e2f1af08d58360%7C3664e6fa47bd45a696708c4f080f8ca6%7C0%7C1%7C636559324898915286&sdata=0YscwwEU7Bqhmpx6ACbXEP%2BUTRsuOJBxyH6RWuB5dF8%3D&reserved=0> TOS website: http://teachingopensource.org/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fteachingopensource.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7Chislopg%40drexel.edu%7C13df19aa8ae646e2f1af08d58360%7C3664e6fa47bd45a696708c4f080f8ca6%7C0%7C1%7C636559324898915286&sdata=7ERYAJVTkyuKz7BlmvRH6q6XUOTJKFmfznWk4Te%2BS8M%3D&reserved=0> ___ tos mailing list tos@teachingopensource.org http://lists.teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos TOS website: http://teachingopensource.org/
Re: [TOS] tos Digest, Vol 98, Issue 1
Hello All, We are supporting and engaging my students to contribute or use open source software in the academics wherever required, starting from documentation, joining to mailing list, communicating in IRC and referring to wiki... We normally conduct open source awareness sessions by students to their juniors like open source principles, philosophy, what is HFOSS, how to use got, IRC, identify open source projects and how to get connected. I need to thank RedHat University Outreach program from Pune India, they are mentoring four open source projects from last 8 months, where students learnt many open source culture and contributed many patches. These projects are under the verge of completion but again they are involving thier juniors to continue. We are very much happy that within three years of span our open source club grown up from 11 memebers to 68 members. Culture, environment and mindset about open source is initiated. Thanks Shivananda R Poojara On 6 Mar 2018 4:39 p.m., "Clif Kussmaul" wrote: > Outside of academic settings, I think it's rare for someone to pick a > project and dive into its community. > Most people get involved with a community because they use and care about > the software, > and gradually get more involved in the community, following an onion or > pyramid model. > First they use the software, then they ask & answer forum questions, then > submit bug reports & feature requests, > then patches / pull requests, etc. > > It might be hard to follow this model in a course, but I think students > would be more motivated and engaged > in a project that they used and felt connected to. > > > Clif > --- > Clif Kussmaul c...@kussmaul.org http://kussmaul.org +1-484-893-0255 > EDT=GMT-5 > > -Original Message- > Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:00:29 -0500 > From: Tom Callaway > To: tos@teachingopensource.org > Subject: [TOS] What makes a "good" open source project for Academic > involvement? > Message-ID: <909a2f7b-e86e-aa96-08ac-134501337...@redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Obviously, no teacher, class, or academic institution are the same, but I'm > curious to know what aspects of an open source community make it "good" for > you to connect your students with it. > > Not looking to make a list of "good" communities, but rather, interested in > hearing what things that they do that made them a "good" fit. Are there > things that you wish open source communities would do more often (or at > all) > to help make them more student/academic friendly? > > I've got my own ideas here, but I'm interested in hearing this from an > academic perspective first. :) > > Thanks in advance, > > ~tom > > > > ___ > tos mailing list > tos@teachingopensource.org > http://lists.teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos > TOS website: http://teachingopensource.org/ > ___ tos mailing list tos@teachingopensource.org http://lists.teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos TOS website: http://teachingopensource.org/
Re: [TOS] tos Digest, Vol 98, Issue 1
Outside of academic settings, I think it's rare for someone to pick a project and dive into its community. Most people get involved with a community because they use and care about the software, and gradually get more involved in the community, following an onion or pyramid model. First they use the software, then they ask & answer forum questions, then submit bug reports & feature requests, then patches / pull requests, etc. It might be hard to follow this model in a course, but I think students would be more motivated and engaged in a project that they used and felt connected to. Clif --- Clif Kussmaul c...@kussmaul.org http://kussmaul.org +1-484-893-0255 EDT=GMT-5 -Original Message- Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:00:29 -0500 From: Tom Callaway To: tos@teachingopensource.org Subject: [TOS] What makes a "good" open source project for Academic involvement? Message-ID: <909a2f7b-e86e-aa96-08ac-134501337...@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Obviously, no teacher, class, or academic institution are the same, but I'm curious to know what aspects of an open source community make it "good" for you to connect your students with it. Not looking to make a list of "good" communities, but rather, interested in hearing what things that they do that made them a "good" fit. Are there things that you wish open source communities would do more often (or at all) to help make them more student/academic friendly? I've got my own ideas here, but I'm interested in hearing this from an academic perspective first. :) Thanks in advance, ~tom ___ tos mailing list tos@teachingopensource.org http://lists.teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos TOS website: http://teachingopensource.org/
