Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Poorer sound Q via Wifi from Squeeze Server than Deezer streaming direct on iPhone
Perhaps the OP should ask Pippin directly on the iPeng support thread. Pippin may not see this post as it on the Touch forum which seems to have nothing to do with OP setup. I don't use iPeng but the following is on the iPeng website - OP is using wifi so perhaps there are other relevant settings/configurations to check. > > When you use iPeng playback outside a WiFi network, over the cellular > network, the lossless formats FLAC and ALAC will not be available to > limit the bandwidth requirements. In this case, your server will have to > support transcoding to MP3, which generally requires more processing > power than FLAC encoding and you will have to have the necessary > encoding software installed. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108931 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Poorer sound Q via Wifi from Squeeze Server than Deezer streaming direct on iPhone
drmatt wrote: > I am not a slave to Cult of Jobs, so no iPeng for me.. bakker_be wrote: > IMO that's not a good enough reason to buy into the absurdity that's > Apple :P +1 :) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108931 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Poorer sound Q via Wifi from Squeeze Server than Deezer streaming direct on iPhone
d6jg wrote: > I think you are missing out then. None of the Android controllers I have > used come anywhere close to iPeng. IMO that's not a good enough reason to buy into the absurdity that's Apple :P Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004 + TMA Premium 905 + TMA Premium 901 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 + BK Monolith+ FF + Lenovo T460 + Kodi + Pioneer PDP-LX5090H Workshop: iPad 32GB Wifi + Squeezepad (local playback activated) Wherever needed: Acer Iconia Tab A700 + Squeezeplayer Kitchen: iPhone 5s + iPeng (local playback activated) + NAD 312 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 Headphone (cozy corner): Lenovo T550 + Squeezelite-X + Cyrus Soundkey + Topping A30 + Focal Elear Car: TBC ... bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108931 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Poorer sound Q via Wifi from Squeeze Server than Deezer streaming direct on iPhone
drmatt wrote: > I am not a slave to Cult of Jobs, so no iPeng for me... > > In fact none of my consumer products are prefixed with an "i".. > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- I think you are missing out then. None of the Android controllers I have used come anywhere close to iPeng. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108931 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Poorer sound Q via Wifi from Squeeze Server than Deezer streaming direct on iPhone
I am not a slave to Cult of Jobs, so no iPeng for me... In fact none of my consumer products are prefixed with an "i".. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108931 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Poorer sound Q via Wifi from Squeeze Server than Deezer streaming direct on iPhone
d6jg wrote: > Youre not familiar with iPeng! Like many I consider it to be the last > piece of the LMS jigsaw that really makes it all work. It is definitely > a fully fledged SB player client but moreover its the best controller I > have seen. I think the latest ipeng versions can even play 24/96 without transcoding. I'm also a big iPeng fan. Best money I ever spent in my LMS ecosystem. :cool: *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108931 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Poorer sound Q via Wifi from Squeeze Server than Deezer streaming direct on iPhone
drmatt wrote: > Latest gen Bluetooth apt-x is approx 400 Mbit iirc, which although still > lossy compressed is capable of being more or less transparent to the > average user. > > Is LMS configured to limit bitrate to your phone? Is LMS configured to > apply replaygain to your phone? Is iPeng a full fledged squeeze client > (I'm not familiar with it). > > And deezer.. yes it's lossy compressed I believe, so what bitrate are > you getting from them and are they applying any replaygain or other > sound shaping and what masters are they using? > > Flesh out your description of "harsh" and "smooth"... It's hard to know > what that means in sq terms.. most people tend towards thinking smooth > is good, but that can just mean the treble is recessed.. > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- Youre not familiar with iPeng! Like many I consider it to be the last piece of the LMS jigsaw that really makes it all work. It is definitely a fully fledged SB player client but moreover its the best controller I have seen. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108931 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Poorer sound Q via Wifi from Squeeze Server than Deezer streaming direct on iPhone
Latest gen Bluetooth apt-x is approx 400 Mbit iirc, which although still lossy compressed is capable of being more or less transparent to the average user. Is LMS configured to limit bitrate to your phone? Is LMS configured to apply replaygain to your phone? Is iPeng a full fledged squeeze client (I'm not familiar with it). And deezer.. yes it's lossy compressed I believe, so what bitrate are you getting from them and are they applying any replaygain or other sound shaping and what masters are they using? Flesh out your description of "harsh" and "smooth"... It's hard to know what that means in sq terms.. most people tend towards thinking smooth is good, but that can just mean the treble is recessed.. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108931 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Poorer sound Q via Wifi from Squeeze Server than Deezer streaming direct on iPhone
musistorr wrote: > Yes: that’s exactly what I’m comparing - thank you for the > clarity! And I’m doing so like > this: Netgear > WiFi router > iPeng app/iPhone 8 > Bluetooth > > headphones. > > Now, as Deezer streamed in the iPhone app is good I must remove the > Bluetooth link as the suspect (and the AKG gets a big thunbs up on > bluetooth quality anyway) > and > when playing the flac files through my Dacmagic 100 > main amp/speakers > the SQ is good. > So I must assume possibles are: > • The WiFi dacmagic is smoothing things out but is bypassed when I > connect to the netgear/Squeeze Server directly via iPeng. > • The flac files are somehow not translating well across iPeng > direct to my iPhone. > > It seems strange and disappointing that this should be: I had assumed my > ripped files to be about the best quality I would get between the two > sources. I don’t really want to feel I have to rely on Deezer when > listening to music at home on headphones and I do prefer the convenience > of listening this way (Bluetooth/headphones) rather than faff with > headphone amps & wires etc - been there done that as they say, many > years ago! > > Maybe I’m stuck with this until my tech moves > on�� iPeng can play FLAC natively but if you then send it via Bluetooth there is some compressing going on in your iPhone to present it to your Bluetooth headphones Basic Deezer is MP3 unless I am mistaken and therefore a lower bit rate but it will also be getting the compression treatment to send via Bluetooth. I use an iPhone/iPeng combination with FLAC and a pair of top notch wired headphones - it sounds great to me Bluetooth isn't Hi-Fi - it can't be VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108931 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Poorer sound Q via Wifi from Squeeze Server than Deezer streaming direct on iPhone
So you're comparing self-ripped flac files to a streamed service? How are you playing to the iPhone from LMS? -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108931 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Poorer sound Q via Wifi from Squeeze Server than Deezer streaming direct on iPhone
Perhaps the music gets transcoded to some low rate MP3 ? The deezer plugin for LMS does it getting you the sq your subscription merits ? Is it only on the phone ? What happens when using another player ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108931 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
