Re: [Trisquel-users] H-node

2012-09-22 Thread chris
You got it spot on. This is one of the two reasons we don't ship hardware dependent on non-free software. It's not just an ethical issue. There is a practical side to things too. It is unfortunate that the whole thing gets written off because people feel that it's fanaticism. It's not. There

[Trisquel-users] So- NVIDIA is coming around to free software?

2012-09-22 Thread chris
I'll start by saying I haven't had the chance tread these articles yet although a post elsewhere suggests NVIDIA is reacting to Linus's recent criticism by releasing code and documentation. I suspect this is NVIDIA pulling an AMD. For those who aren't aware AMD released some

Re: [Trisquel-users] So- NVIDIA is coming around to free software?

2012-09-22 Thread chris
I didn't read or it didn't mention in what I read this is for a mobile graphics chipset (tablets and phones). It does not look like you will be seeing us releasing computers with an NVIDIA graphics chipset any time soon. That is at least not unless we end up shipping a tablet/phone. It

Re: [Trisquel-users] H-node

2012-09-22 Thread Julius22
I agree this is better buying harware from manufacturers that are the best free software friends. But how can you find this information? I personally don't know how. But if you know, you might be able to create and maintain a list of manufacturers and give them a notation about their

Re: [Trisquel-users] need replacement for adobe flash player

2012-09-22 Thread daniel . mcllroy
webgl.force-enabled was false. Set it true. But, still mapsgl did not work. neither did adive.in. gnash plugin was disabled, i enabled it. But, could not view streetview. There was also an error in terminal Mesa 7.11 implementation error: unexpected format in _mesa_choose_tex_format()

Re: [Trisquel-users] H-node

2012-09-22 Thread aliasbody
My hate for proprietary software started way before I heard the words proprietary/free/non-free/opensource software, when you start to see applications crash, with licences everywhere, and you can't replace them, this is when you start to think a little bit more about the what's inside the

Re: [Trisquel-users] H-node

2012-09-22 Thread chris
That is because there are few people who deal with these issues on a day to day basis and are supporting a large user base. If I hadn't worked for a distribution in 2005 with an opposing perspective to free software I wouldn't have realized just how big a problem it was. When I founded

Re: [Trisquel-users] Free Virtual Singer

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Re: [Trisquel-users] H-node

2012-09-22 Thread migatheotaku
Open source is wrong. It irritates me to no end how companies claim to be 'open source friendly' because they release a very minimal amount of source code to the community. They claim to be 'collaborating with the community', when all they're doing is making it easier to run their

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel LTS status

2012-09-22 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-09-21 07:25 PM, aliasb...@gmail.com a écrit : Correct me if wrong, but Debian could only reach FSF-approved, 100% free distribution if they would create a Distribution without any non-free software,[...] I believe Debian has already achieved

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel funds

2012-09-22 Thread sirgrant
I am pretty sure the list is manually updated by ruben. He indicated to me a few days ago, when replying about something else on the dev list, that he was [http://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-devel/2012-September/000694.html completely swamped]. Probably because he is working on

Re: [Trisquel-users] H-node

2012-09-22 Thread chris
Open source is about the convenience to developers and business. It is a valid business reason to do so. Where it might actually help a competitor companies are extremely careful not to release the source code. It's why Intel releases 100% of the source and NVIDIA/AMD won't. You find that in

[Trisquel-users] Re : H-node

2012-09-22 Thread magicbanana
Just to correct an historical mistake: GNU Hurd was in no way developed in reaction to Linux. Its development actually started in 1990, i.e., before Linus Torvalds started Linux. Actually, the effort on the Hurd was rapidly diminished because, after being released under the GNU GPL, Linux

[Trisquel-users] messed up something

2012-09-22 Thread anatom
Hello, I recently moved from ubuntu and installed dagda, then brigantia, and first of all: a big THANK YOU to the developers of trisquel. In this post, I ask for help because I think I messed up something. The AUCTeX extension of emacs wasn't running properly, and I found out it had to do

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel funds

2012-09-22 Thread sirgrant
Also consider the difference between net and gross. For example lets say I get paid by my job $800 a month (after taxes). For me that is net. However, lets say Ruben makes $800 a month from donations/membership I would say that is gross. That is because money has to be taken out of that

Re: [Trisquel-users] messed up something

2012-09-22 Thread sirgrant
It may be a problem with the emacs metapackage. Either try: #with with GTK+ user interface sudo apt-get install emacs23 or #without X support sudo apt-get install emacs23-nox

Re: [Trisquel-users] messed up something

2012-09-22 Thread anatom
Thanks very much for your swift reply!! on-the-fly, wow! I found the error, however, when I re-read the error message: emacs and emacs23 were expecting a directory used by/for PSPP, as the pspp package was still installed. So what I did was: uninstall pspp, re-install emacs and emacs23.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel LTS status

2012-09-22 Thread magicbanana
Trisquel does not have a non-free section in its repositories nor it has that kind of sentences in the about section of its website: Although Debian believes in free software, there are cases where people want or need to put non-free software on their machine. Whenever possible Debian will

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel LTS status

2012-09-22 Thread Michał Masłowski
I believe Debian has already achieved that and is only pending review by the FSF. Old news or was there significant progress after Squeeze (and its kernel just recommending separate blobs)? and without repositories that would allow to easily install non-free software right ? By that logic

Re: [Trisquel-users] messed up something

2012-09-22 Thread sirgrant
You know what, I'm of the opinion that if it works just go with it. But that is just personal choice. Sorry your log was a tad hard to read consider I don't speak that language (german?). Either way glad the issue is fixed.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone interested on a Trisquel Gnu/Linux Forum Android application ?

2012-09-22 Thread Michał Masłowski
Having used other forums, I agree such an application might be generally useful. Since this forum can be accessed as a mailing list, it's probably easier on a phone than Web-only forums. pgp5tUrTG6dAg.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Trisquel-users] messed up something

2012-09-22 Thread anatom
Thank you, SirGrant. Yes, it was German and I knew somebody might not understand, sorry. I will leave it as is, because I think that as long as I haven't installed any of those packages emacs23 is in conflict with, everything should be fine. And Emacs works, that's the main point.

Re: [Trisquel-users] NoMachine

2012-09-22 Thread mono
thank you! i built OpenNX from source and it works! yeah. though i still have some question regarding free software. OpenNX seems to just be a GUI which comes with GNU LESSER GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2.1, February 1999. That is free software, right? The actual remote connection is

Re: [Trisquel-users] NoMachine

2012-09-22 Thread em9002
Yes, the GNU Lesser General Public License is a free software license. Most software that is described as open source also qualifies as free software. You'd have to check the actual license of the software in question to be sure, though. The GPL isn't the only free software license, so

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel LTS status

2012-09-22 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-09-22 12:05 PM, Micha? Mas?owski a écrit : I believe Debian has already achieved that and is only pending review by the FSF. Old news or was there significant progress after Squeeze (and its kernel just recommending separate blobs)? and

Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone interested on a Trisquel Gnu/Linux Forum Android application ?

2012-09-22 Thread tegskywalker
Don't use a GPL license and go with MIT or BSD so you have no complications in getting the app accepted in Google Play in addition to F-Droid. I don't want people to think I am anti-GPL because I am going for MIT instead. It's just easier to get into the Apple and Google App Stores.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone interested on a Trisquel Gnu/Linux Forum Android application ?

2012-09-22 Thread aliasbody
Never thought of that. I will have a look at the MIT and BSD licences. I was thinking of adding an ad like my other Android Application (BodyIMC, quite a good couple of years that I haven't done anything with that), and reversing 50% of the revenues (since the software would not exist if

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel LTS status

2012-09-22 Thread aliasbody
Making difficult to install free software is going on the same trap as those that make us life difficult to only use non-free software (like schools). We don't need to force people, we need to educate them, and we need to work together in order to have something that people can say : If this

Re: [Trisquel-users] H-node

2012-09-22 Thread mattij . lammi
Its so good to notice that my little post raised so much discussion. Getting back to the topic: h-node. I am currently finishing my studies by doing my practical training period in a small computer shop repairing computers. This gives me an excelent chance to contribute to h-node. When I

Re: [Trisquel-users] H-node

2012-09-22 Thread sirgrant
Awesome! Thank you for your contribution!

Re: [Trisquel-users] H-node

2012-09-22 Thread chris
I definitely should. If I had the time to write a book I probably would. I'm so busy trying to scale a small operation into something bigger though it isn't like to happen. I think a better solution is to advise people that the information can easily steer people in less desirable

Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone interested on a Trisquel Gnu/Linux Forum Android application ?

2012-09-22 Thread tegskywalker
I know that Apple won't accept GPL licensed apps on their app store just in case you created an iPhone version.

Re: [Trisquel-users] NoMachine

2012-09-22 Thread chris
Be careful with installing software outside the Trisquel repository. Figuring out if something is free software or not is challenging. More frequently than not people use the term open source to describe software that has non-free dependencies. There are few completely free solutions out

[Trisquel-users] Re : Anyone interested on a Trisquel Gnu/Linux Forum Android application ?

2012-09-22 Thread magicbanana
There is GPL-licensed software in Google Play. Besides, users of Android can install software from other sources. By the way, you want to distribute your software through the F-Droid free software repository too. As for app markets refusing the GPL, I only know of Apple's. It may be that

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel funds

2012-09-22 Thread chris
There really should be more of an effort to keep conversation of money in the forums. The more we talk about it the more people will realize the need to donate and become a member. It's not unreasonable to ask a few hundred USD / EUROS / AUD / CAN from each user every couple of years.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel LTS status

2012-09-22 Thread magicbanana
Are you aware that the kernel you describe not only exists but you are using it! All GNU/Linux distribution recommended by the FSF (Trisquel included) use Linux-libre, i.e., the Linux kernel minus the blobs.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel LTS status

2012-09-22 Thread chris
Working together is a keyword here to success (that is freedom). I think we're getting there too. It's not just the free software world which is doing a better job at it. We're interacting with lots of different organizations, projects, and companies. Not to mention the community.

[Trisquel-users] Trisquel funds

2012-09-22 Thread Roberto Rodríguez
Thanks for the info. :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone interested on a Trisquel Gnu/Linux Forum Android application ?

2012-09-22 Thread tegskywalker
Just be careful when using GPL code as there are more restrictions than a MIT or BSD license. Some of the most important and useful software out or in the near future like nginx or openstack or chromium go for a more permissive license for wide adoption. Each license has a purpose in what

Re: [Trisquel-users] H-node

2012-09-22 Thread mattij . lammi
I was wondering if I would suggest a system on h-node to recognize truly free software frendly vendors from the rest. Let's assume we have a list of those vendors. Then it would be relatively easy to add some kind of mark or message to every device's page from that vendor. It would also be

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel LTS status

2012-09-22 Thread aliasbody
I know that, but I also know that to archive this goal the Linux-Libre kernel maintainers had to use a script that would compile the kernel without the non-free stuff. I was talking about an option, the Linux Kernel works around a lot of useful options that can be enabled or disabled when

Re: [Trisquel-users] Anyone interested on a Trisquel Gnu/Linux Forum Android application ?

2012-09-22 Thread aliasbody
Why couldn't I sell an application with a GPL Licence ? I've read the licence rules and if I remember right, we only have to give the code when someone buy the application, but this person has the right to do whatever he/she wants with the application and the sources since it is his freedom.

Re: [Trisquel-users] H-node

2012-09-22 Thread Alexander Stephen Thomas Ross
Please Name Shame them. They are defiantly rubbish at education. On 22/09/12 06:38, migatheot...@gmail.com wrote: And don't worry about people laughing about you for not having Adobe Flash. I've gone through the same. A few months back, I went to an online high school (that I had started when

[Trisquel-users] Re : Anyone interested on a Trisquel Gnu/Linux Forum Android application ?

2012-09-22 Thread magicbanana
By definition, any free software (whatever the specifics of its definition) grants the *users* the freedom to use it as they wish. You are actually talking (one more time) about *developers* profiting from free software under permissive licenses to integrate some or all code to their

[Trisquel-users] Re : Anyone interested on a Trisquel Gnu/Linux Forum Android application ?

2012-09-22 Thread magicbanana
You can, by definition, sell any free software. Observe that you cannot do *anything* with *any* free software program. For instance, copylefted licenses (such as the GPL) do not allow sublicensing. In particular, you cannot take some GPL code (that you have not written yourself) and