Re: [Trisquel-users] Stability

2012-10-22 Thread wsetgmkp3pqwepaqwxcu
thank-you. that is helping information. It is rare to find detail help (beyond general stuff) in forums. I dont want to try more luck, but still wish to know how deb for linux-libre is made.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Best Web/Software Application for VideoConference

2012-10-22 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Some of these could be useful http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/free-software-replacement-for-skype

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6.0 Alpha Images

2012-10-22 Thread Andrew M. 'Leny' Lindley
On Monday 22 October 2012 06:21:44 niyaschirayak...@gmail.com wrote: Still why we can not have native look of gnome3? I haven't heard exactly why for Toutatis. But in Brigantia there were a number of reasons of which the main ones were accessibility and 3D support. It seems reasonable to guess

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6.0 Alpha Images

2012-10-22 Thread Andrew M. 'Leny' Lindley
On Monday 22 October 2012 10:01:01 Andrew M. 'Leny' Lindley wrote: Still you can get gnome-shell by installing the gnome-session package and selecting a 'GNOME' session at the login screen, so if you want it you can have it. Or, having tried to install it myself you might mean that in the beta

Re: [Trisquel-users] Setting up a Gamemon USB mini game-pad joystick

2012-10-22 Thread Andrew M. 'Leny' Lindley
I have aa old Logitech Rumblepad 2 USB gamepad which just works when plugged in. Perhaps we should all (me included) respond to the suggestion elsewhere on this forum and post stuff like this we find compatible to h-node.org .

Re: [Trisquel-users] 6.0 I18N Looks Good So Far!

2012-10-22 Thread gustavo_cm
Trisquel 6.0 has GIMP 2.6 because it's from Ubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gimp

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-22 Thread onpon4
What's so safe to you as a user about the GPL compared to other free licenses or free programs in the public domain? All of them give you freedom; the GPL just makes it impossible for the software to be re-released as nonfree software. It sounds like free system would make more sense.

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux

2012-10-22 Thread Igor . Zobin
The naming of the OS is not about the license ,freeme. While it is true that you can get a feeling of safety from using a GPL'd program and that the GPL is one of the best licenses out there, there is one simple fact: not all software that is GPL'd was written by the GNU Project. Linux (the

Re: [Trisquel-users] How many of you dual-boot ?

2012-10-22 Thread Igor . Zobin
Have to admit, that I'm dual booting... into another Trisquel, so I can test out different desktop environments without messing with my primary work environment :P I've had no Windows on my PC for years now, the only contact I have with Windows is on the laptop from work where I can't

Re: [Trisquel-users] How many of you dual-boot ?

2012-10-22 Thread aliasbody
That is an interesting question also ! How many people here supporters of the Free Software Movement actually work only with Free Software ? (:D)

Re: [Trisquel-users] 6.0 I18N Looks Good So Far!

2012-10-22 Thread aliasbody
I know that, but it is quite sad actually, mostly because of all the new useful features that the new Design from Gimp 2.8 brings... I mean, LibreOffice being at the 3.5.4 version... why not it is the recommended on the website so for me there is no problem, and this even knowing that the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6.0 Alpha Images

2012-10-22 Thread andrew
Re-testing the 20121022 amd64 iso I find that my dodgy ISP has exposed the fact that Ubiquity doesn't timeout when testing archives. I've been hung up for over half an hour twice waiting for the the in. archive.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6.0 Alpha Images

2012-10-22 Thread Dave Hunt
Hi, Is it possible that graphics accelleration and software freedom issues still prevent Trisquel from adopting the GNOME Shell as the default ui? I'm glad Rubin chose to keep the Classic look as the default, and offers the option of adding the GNOME Shell for users whose hardware can work

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6.0 Alpha Images

2012-10-22 Thread andrew
I was guessing. It is also possible that the llvmpipe code required to get Gnome-shell on 2D only displays isn't in good enough form in Ubuntu 12.04. However, from past statements I know accessibility is very important to Trisquel. Your feedback the gnome-shell as of the 12.04 code is

[Trisquel-users] Is Cinnamon 100% libre?

2012-10-22 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have added Cinnamon to my Trisquel installs succesfully, it has nice integration: http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?page_id=61 Is it 100% libre though? My impression is yes, but I'd like to have a few opinions here. Perhaps that work could be

Re: [Trisquel-users] 6.0 I18N Looks Good So Far!

2012-10-22 Thread Andrew M. 'Leny' Lindley
On Monday 22 October 2012 16:26:28 aliasb...@gmail.com wrote: (I don't like to use the linux-libre kernel because of the problems with virtualbox... hope they've been solved with this new version). You should get on to the Virtualbox developers. The essence of the problem is that the

Re: [Trisquel-users] 6.0 I18N Looks Good So Far!

2012-10-22 Thread john . wilkins21
At aliasbody, this normal, anybody who registers a domain name has to supply it (you could see My details by a whois for trisquel-users.com) You can pay extra for these details to be 'private'

Re: [Trisquel-users] 6.0 I18N Looks Good So Far!

2012-10-22 Thread aliasbody
Hum... maybe I should learn how to use Qemu :D

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-22 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-10-21 05:11 PM, ch...@thinkpenguin.com a écrit : There are a lot of areas that Trisquel could in improve in. The problem is there aren't enough financial contributions from those using it. I was just thinking about this again. If there

Re: [Trisquel-users] How many of you dual-boot ?

2012-10-22 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-10-21 12:49 PM, aliasb...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello everyone, I wanted to make this statistic question a long time ago but didn't knew if I could do it or not, so if I can't please tell me. My question is, I made a choice of Free Software

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Cinnamon 100% libre?

2012-10-22 Thread tegskywalker
The issues before with Cinnamon is that it potentially required non-free drivers for desktop acceleration like the standard, non 2d version of Unity. I don't use it currently, but I read that version 1.6 and above has a 2d session which helps Trisquel. License wise, it seems to be under

[Trisquel-users] Re : How many of you dual-boot ?

2012-10-22 Thread magicbanana
I do: mainly Emacs (to write C++ code and LaTeX articles/presentations/posters), GCC (tom compile the C++ code), TexLive (to compile LaTeX), Evince (to read articles and display my presentations) and Evolution (for e-mails).

Re: [Trisquel-users] 6.0 I18N Looks Good So Far!

2012-10-22 Thread Andrew M. 'Leny' Lindley
On Monday 22 October 2012 18:17:37 aliasb...@gmail.com wrote: Hum... maybe I should learn how to use Qemu :D Assuming all you want to do is virtualize another free GNU/Linux instance you can also look into Xen (paravitualization), chroot, lxc and openvz (these last three are of the category

[Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel and Ubuntu releases

2012-10-22 Thread Julius22
I personaly prefer stability. So, one version each time an Ubuntu LTS is released would satisfy me. And, as you suggest it, Chris, time could be used to have better documentation or to cencentrate on the promotion of Trisquel. But this is a personal point of view. The point is what would the

[Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-22 Thread aliasbody
Hello Everyone, Yes I know that Trisquel isn't available for any ARM out there and this even knowing that a port could be easy when we know that Ubuntu is available for several ARM chips. But my question is, I wouldn't buy a Raspberry Pi anymore since the Broadcom GPU Chip don't have free

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-22 Thread Andrew M. 'Leny' Lindley
On Monday 22 October 2012 21:48:34 aliasb...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't buy a Raspberry Pi anymore since the Broadcom GPU Chip don't have free drivers It's worse than that. The GPU orchestrates boot and you therefore require a proprietary blob to boot even if you're happy with just using

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-22 Thread aliasbody
Hum :s... Then it is worse than I taught :S...

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6.0 Alpha Images

2012-10-22 Thread secondnature
the trisquel-mini 6.0 amd64 alpha still contains this bug with the installer: https://trisquel.info/en/issues/5141

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-22 Thread Andrew M. 'Leny' Lindley
On Monday 22 October 2012 22:08:29 aliasb...@gmail.com wrote: Hum :s... Then it is worse than I taught :S... Yeah, I found out as a consequence of buying one based on a Cambridge University (UK) Fresher's ARM assembler course that has enough documentation to write a basic unaccelerated 2D driver

Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel and Ubuntu releases

2012-10-22 Thread Dave Hunt
Maybe Trisquel should come out after the first upgrade release of each Ubuntu LTS, as has happened with this one coming after 12.04.1? Maybe work should begin soon after the first release of said Ubuntu, e. g. 12.04? By this plan, the next Trisquel release would be 18 months after this one,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-22 Thread Alexander Stephen Thomas Ross
The only ARM (but *not limited* to arm) hardware I would put my effort into is Rombus-Tech. The future is very exciting. http://rhombus-tech.net/ Look at the mailing for what’s happening. Do say what you want. when people have agreed on a product they will go about getting produced. The

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-22 Thread aliasbody
I already saw that one (If I remember right you send me the link in another thread), but didn't quite understand how it works :s...

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-22 Thread aliasbody
For that price (129$ as I can see) it would be better to be an Asus EeeBox PC with Atom and the (non optimus) nVidia ION with the Nouveau drivers :S... This is only my opinion, but yes the point of buying it is not the same since one is portable and the second not... but I was thinking of a

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel and Ubuntu releases

2012-10-22 Thread aliasbody
I mostly agree with this to be honest... I would even think a second time about switching from Parabola to Trisquel if this happens, because if I love the always update side of Parabola I mostly love the stability of Debian (yes Debian no Ubuntu for the most cases). And if Trisquel could be

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel and Ubuntu releases

2012-10-22 Thread andrew . roffey
PS: I know that this hasn't anything to do with the post but, I just wanted to know, that I am very sorry for my poor English writing :s... Your English is fine! I don't have any trouble understanding you at all.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-22 Thread Andrew M. 'Leny' Lindley
On Monday 22 October 2012 22:38:54 Alexander Stephen Thomas Ross wrote: The only ARM (but *not limited* to arm) hardware I would put my effort into is Rombus-Tech. The future is very exciting. http://rhombus-tech.net/ Look at the mailing for what’s happening. Do say what you want. when

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-22 Thread aliasbody
Hum Maybe my old Msi Wind U100 could be useful for this with Trisquel 5.5 :D But I still think that there is a need of Free Software distribution for Arm devices :s... If this is even possible due to the lack of GPu drivers most of the time.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel and Ubuntu releases

2012-10-22 Thread aliasbody
Thank you :D

[Trisquel-users] novice questions about installation troubleshooting

2012-10-22 Thread christian
Hey guys, idiot here. I am very much a novice user, and have used windows most of my life and have just recently been reading up on free software and liked the philosophy and wanted to try to make the big switch to this one. I understand windows is looked down upon but I'm dual booting

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-22 Thread Andrew M. 'Leny' Lindley
On Tuesday 23 October 2012 00:39:50 aliasb...@gmail.com wrote: But I still think that there is a need of Free Software distribution for Arm devices :s... If this is even possible due to the lack of GPu drivers most of the time. I asked here about free ARM distros some time ago and was

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-22 Thread tegskywalker
I would say go for Debian but be a good boy and only have the free repositories active. Isn't the default kernel in Debian free software only free of blobs? Makes you wonder if the version of Debian for the Pi on the website has non-free firmware included to get the thing to work.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-22 Thread Alexander Stephen Thomas Ross
On 22/10/12 23:36, Andrew M. 'Leny' Lindley wrote: On Monday 22 October 2012 22:38:54 Alexander Stephen Thomas Ross wrote: The only ARM (but *not limited* to arm) hardware I would put my effort into is Rombus-Tech. The future is very exciting. http://rhombus-tech.net/ Look at the mailing for

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on ARM

2012-10-22 Thread aliasbody
Since the Raspberry Pi needs the blob in order to boot, I think that is is integrated no matter what :S... Or I could use the Raspbian, created only for the Raspberry Pi. It is sad to see no other cheap alternative to the RPi, but if there isn't then I will go with it... just scared about

Re: [Trisquel-users] 6.0 I18N Looks Good So Far!

2012-10-22 Thread tegskywalker
This works on Ubuntu 12.04 and should work for Trisquel 6 when it is done: https://launchpad.net/~otto-kesselgulasch/+archive/gimp

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6.0 Alpha Images

2012-10-22 Thread Andrew M. 'Leny' Lindley
On Monday 22 October 2012 22:25:45 secondnat...@riseup.net wrote: the trisquel-mini 6.0 amd64 alpha still contains this bug with the installer: https://trisquel.info/en/issues/5141 I've named the culprit line of (trisquel only) code in issue 5141. It is the same line in 6.0 .

Re: [Trisquel-users] novice questions about installation troubleshooting

2012-10-22 Thread christian
Okay, after some searching I've found that page was a little outdated. I edited /etc/default/grub and changed the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=acpi=off and now it boots 5.0 flawlessly, unfortunately it now hangs at shutdown... restart however works fine interestingly

[Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel and Ubuntu releases

2012-10-22 Thread magicbanana
As far as I understand those minor versions only aim at avoiding an update after installing the system (and at avoiding a useless waste of bandwidth for Canonical), i.e., you obtain the exact same system if you use the original ISO and 'sudo apt-get update'. If I am right, there is no point

[Trisquel-users] Re : novice questions about installation troubleshooting

2012-10-22 Thread magicbanana
The choice of Trisquel 5.0 is kind of weird: its support stops this week! That means security issues will not be fixed! Why haven't you chosen Trisquel 5.5 (or, if you are a little adventurous, the soon-to-be-released Trisquel 6.0 Long Term Support)? Because they use a more recent version of

Re: [Trisquel-users] novice questions about installation troubleshooting

2012-10-22 Thread christian
I'm actually trying to do that upgrade right now, but the reason I was using 5.0 was that 5.5 would not boot at all, and I had to reinstall 5.0 after I tried upgrading. Now that I've realized the problem was the acpi, I'm trying to upgrade again, but my connection is being very slow once

[Trisquel-users] Re : novice questions about installation troubleshooting

2012-10-22 Thread magicbanana
Sorry I read your post too fast. Wikipedia is your friend: In computing, the Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) specification provides an open standard for device configuration and power management by the operating system. By deactivating it you may lose features such as the

Re: [Trisquel-users] novice questions about installation troubleshooting

2012-10-22 Thread christian
That would explain it, thank you. I did find that article but it seemed a bit over my head. I appreciate the help, hopefully this upgrade will work okay now.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-22 Thread chris
Unfortunately your right. There are a lot of people using Trisquel who do not put much value in their freedom. It's why I wouldn't suggest forcing payment on users. I wouldn't object to making us all having to work a bit harder for it though. A 30-60 second delay on the download page maybe

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Cinnamon 100% libre?

2012-10-22 Thread chris
The Linux Mint project is one of the contributors to it. They have a full time developer working on it. One of the things Clem (lead developer of Linux Mint) has always been careful about is keeping it a community oriented project. While it includes non-free software I'm under the impression

Re: [Trisquel-users] How many of you dual-boot ?

2012-10-22 Thread chris
I've got to be careful on the wording here although we only use libre software.

[Trisquel-users] How many of you dual-boot

2012-10-22 Thread Andrés
My net book only runs trisquelmini. Other computers in the house run different OS. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel and Ubuntu releases

2012-10-22 Thread chris
You speak English very well even if it is obviously not your native tongue. In fact you are communicating better than most native speakers if you ask me. I frequently get two word emails that aren't intelligible from native speakers.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel and Ubuntu releases

2012-10-22 Thread chris
I'm pretty sure this is correct. The whole point is not to break things. If you do anything more you risk introducing problems. I'd definitely do a distribution based of Ubuntu or Debian and then update select packages. That does risk breaking things although the documentation would remain

Re: [Trisquel-users] A FSF supported project needs help: mediagoblin

2012-10-22 Thread Andresmp
mediagoblin looks great, i think i might go for the t-shirt. but about me using it: will the following make sense? i have an old laptop with pentiumIV or older. i would install trisquelminiand make it into some sort of web server for a media goblin web page. the computer might die or need to

Re: [Trisquel-users] novice questions about installation troubleshooting

2012-10-22 Thread chris
This isn't helpful now although will be in the future. The design of GNU/Linux is very different than that of Microsoft Windows. Particularly for hardware. While I'd do things differently if I put out a distribution I'm not. What I do do is concentrate on the business end of things and