Magic is wrong again:
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Secure-Boot-comes-to-Ubuntu-12-04-2-LTS-1804203.html
Oh and this too since it is official
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop#PrecisePangolin.2BAC8-ReleaseNotes.2BAC8-CommonInfrastructure.Ubuntu_Kernel_3.5.0-23.35
By default, the 12.04.2 point release will ship with a newer 3.5.0-23.35
Ubuntu kernel from Quantal,
You rock man. Next time I am in Seattle I owe you a beer and maybe a lap
dance at Little Darlings. :-)
By nature, the GPL causes everything to be changed to be under the GPL
license. If you have 1000 pieces of code that are licensed under MIT for
example and someone puts in 1 GPL code, the entire codebase becomes copyleft
whether you wanted to or not.
Speaking of the custom plugins that are
By nature, the GPL causes everything to be changed to be under the GPL
license. If you have 1000 pieces of code that are licensed under MIT for
example and someone puts in 1 GPL code, the entire codebase becomes copyleft
whether you wanted to or not.
Speaking of the custom plugins that are
I don't support this way of thinking because free software and open source
licenses have their place:
http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Why-it-s-time-to-stop-using-open-source-licences-1802140.html
I'm not trolling. I have stated a scenario that is very common in computing
today and how some people make money. You are acting pretty naive to think
that it doesn't exist.
Take a look at Magento for example. They offer a free community version
that you can hack around and deploy to your
Here you go again. You have this fear because it is under a permisse license
that everyone is going to take it and make it proprietary. Everyone is gonna
claim the code as their own and the only savior is the GPL with its bearded
face and big shiny cape.
Guess what? Apache is under a
unethical is subjective. What may be unethical to you may not be for others
who are using their software as service to people to eventually make a profit
from it.
I've considered the MPL 2.0 as well for future work. It is copyleft for the
files themselves that are already under the MPL but at the same time allowing
it to be used in other software regardless of the license. It is a modern and
FSF approved license that can be used with GPL code if
You are name calling and saying that I am spewing FUD. You are wrong.
I think permissive licenses have their place not in the regard of the ease to
change to a non-free license, but the pure openness of them. I'm thinking of
software that eventually may make its way into an ISO and/or web
There's always Ubuntu with 12.04.2 released today:
http://www.ubuntu.com/download
I'm really arguing with a brick wall here. Maybe you don't get what I am
trying to say and instead keep repeating dogma that I am aware of.
Here are three scenarios:
1. User can download the free software package easily and at no cost with
source code right there. They can do what they want
I know what the GPL does, but there are people who are scared away from it
due to the forced copyleft nature. There have been reports about corporations
more willing to contribute back to code under the Apache 2.0 license than the
GPLv3. It is true that from this angle that it allows them to
I don't think you are really reading and comprehending my posts. You are
saying a user is subjugated like I am taking advantage of them even though I
stated many times that the commercial license is not a requirement to use the
software and that user has the 4 freedoms preserved if they use
The 3-Clause BSD license has the same rules where deriative works cannot use
the names to endorse the original project.
(3)The name of the author may not be used to
endorse or promote products derived from this software without
specific prior written permission.
You aren't fooling anyone if your client wants something heavily tailored to
them with custom plugins or code that are not free software. There may also
be clients who don't want to release their custom changes to the public
(which the GPL will force them to do) and will request a commercial
I was saying that the core application is free software and always will be.
The client or specific user that goes for a commercial license is doing it
out of choice and not held back, oppressed, or whatever you want to label it.
They can always opt for the free version under a free software
I know what you mean. Microsoft still has a crapload of cash and they are
still going to try to convince companies to support Microsoft no matter what.
Their Windows 8 OS is pretty much a failure on the desktop and on their
tablets and the Windows phones are under 3% marketshare and losing
Just like Firefox. It is smart to use this method so users don't get confused
about which software is which and what is the official release.
You can make money by developing a free software package but leave it pretty
bare bones and delegate support to user forums. Leave it to a talented coder
or webmaster to figure it out. Non technical users are stuck.
When that user needs help installing or using it, you offer support under an
System resources wise, I still get better performance with MATE, but MATE is
a fork of Gnome 2 and I am technically using older versions of Gnome
applications that are name differently. For example, Eye of Mate instead of
Eye of Gnome and Caja instead of Nautilus.
With Cinnamon, I am using
Those issues would be solved if he moved from a LTS to LTS release so 6 will
be 12.04 and 7 will be 14.04. At the pace right now, the Trisquel releases
will always be 4-6 months behind the Ubuntu release.
But this is Ruben's distribution and his rules and we are just users waiting
for
Dell has offered Ubuntu based laptops in the past and not really advertised
them much and recently they came out with new XPS models that run the latest
Ubuntu. I don't know how well they are selling, but it was good to some that
a big vendor supported GNU/Linux in some way.
I then read
The problem with IceCat is that it always seems to be 1-2 releases behind the
main Firefox release. That is really being optimistic too as I have seen
IceCat in the PPAs not be updated for 6 months at a time.
He is well spoken does make a lot of good points about the need for these
tools to be free software. He does bring to light another problem where a
software company develops a piece of software, gets selfish by charging like
$10,000 per license, and therefore is out of the reach of the
Well if he does pull this off and is a success over time, then hopefully the
hard work improving accessibility for Sonar gets pushed upstream to the
Debians and the Fedoras and Archs. If it does, then good for him and his hard
work wasn't in vain.
Trisquel 6 is being released very soon (thank god) and I am curious if any of
you have tried Cinnamon. I'm thinking with Trisquel 6 that I may make the
switch over and the last few days I have been running it on an Ubuntu 12.04
box with success.
I really like that it has low memory
I got my impression about this not being 100% free from the other comments
about him being somewhat vague on the complete freedom of the distro. On top
of that, he is creating a distro on the standard Ubuntu releases which the
FSF and RMS himself do not approve. I don't mind Ubuntu, but I
Does it work from this PPA? https://launchpad.net/~irie/+archive/blender
That article says that Fedora is currently working to resolve licensing
issues with Chromium so they can be included. Hopefully the results can then
be reused in other distributions. Ubuntu includes Chromium in their
repositories and lately they have been more up to date since Chad Miller
I don't want you to think I am attacking the guy personally, which I am not.
As for your reference to Trisquel, it is unique due to it being the first or
one of the first of its kind to be based off of Ubuntu. You get the huge
community code behind it plus a limitless amount of PPAs.
I
Sonar is a waste of time and effort.
Why? There are already too many distros out there and instead of a whole new
one to join the crowd, the money he gets should be spent on creating
applications or improving the existing ones.
When these applications are polished to his liking, the big
I was loading up the latest Trisquel 6 test ISO in a virtual machine the
other day did a 10 GB image just to play around with and see how the status
of it is. There are actually two things I noticed by lettig Trisquel handle
my partitioning during that part of the install:
1. The installer
I was using tests from
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=reiser4_linux35num=1 and
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=linux_37_fsthreenum=1 in
the comparisons for speed and such. I know with some tests they are pretty
even, but is EXT4 getting more love than
For removable drives and SSDs, F2FS won't see broad adoption for a little bit
and the jury is still out if Apple or Microsoft includes it in their
operating systems. I'm still gunning for that to get wide support and we
shall see if Samsung can pull it off.
Another format for removable
Muon brings in KDE dependencies which I do not need. The Mint Software Center
is straight up Python and made to work with GTK and Gnome.
I say customize it and make pretty for Trisquel 6 or fork it if it gets to
that point. Its just waiting there for the taking and is free software:
Hmm that is what you look like. I always pictured you as like a youthful
surfer type due with blonde hair and in his early 20s who skateboards and
plays Call of Duty.
I'm idealistic in that jxself builds the kernel once on Launchpad and then
moves those packages to Trisquel while still leaving his originals in a Linux
Libre PPA so others can add them to their existing Ubuntu or Mint installs.
Its what I would do, but I cannot control how jxself thinks or
Call me old fashioned, but I still like books. I like that I can buy with
cash, buy used, and loan to a friend. I like that it doesn't require a
battery charge and I like the smell. I know that if there is a societal
collapse or need to sit on a book shelf for 100 years that they will be
It is an older and depreciated Gnome software center that Trisquel still
holds on to. Since using the Ubuntu Software Center isn't an option, how
about using the one from Linux Mint? Its free software and can easily be
tailored for Trisquel.
I swear I'm having deja-vu from having this
Magic's viewpoint matches mine and why I made the push to contact the kernel
head at Canonical. It benefits Ubuntu in addition to Trisquel. A Linux Mint
or Elementary OS user can use it. Heck, maybe down the road if someone makes
an Ubuntu based phone that isn't made by Canonical can use it.
While it is true they won't stop distributing their own kernel with the
non-free bits, it cant hurt having a libre one alongside it as an option. She
even said that if someone shows initiative and the skills to maintain an
alternative kernel, then there is a possibility it could be added to
Yeah, I was either eating or working on a project and didn't notice the time.
From my perspective, I'm glad that jxself is handling the Linux Libre kernels
for Trisquel. As stated from our previous discussion(s), it would be nice if
he also mirrored the kernel in a launchpad PPA so the
Btw has anyone tried out the 4.0 code yet? I know there may be a release in
February, but I haven't tried it out yet. I also noticed that LibreOffice 4.0
is switchign to the Mozilla Public License 2.0:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Re-Basing
What do you think about Desurium, the GPLv3 version of Desura? I found a PPA
which supports Trisquel 6.0 and above:
https://launchpad.net/~makson96/+archive/desurium-stable
I recently emailed Leann Ogasawara from the Ubuntu kernel team regarding the
addition of the Linux Libre kernel in the main Ubuntu repositories. I CC'ed
both DNS and jxself in the email and she made sure to CC them as well in the
response I got back from her.
I get the feeling that they
I think this is really important and there are two very talented Linux Libre
kernel guys out there (DNS and jxself) that are ready to take their skills to
the next level. They have experience working with Ubuntu repositories either
standalone or in launchpad PPAs and I have a gut feeling
Unity is free software and the only thing that irked others in the past was
the requirement of potentially non-free drivers to run the standard version.
There is Unity 2d, which was a part of the 12.04 (and Trisquel 6) codebase
that didn't require it, but in 12.10 and above, they tried
I've found performance and connection strength to be better with the Atheros
802.11n chipsets than the Ralink ones that required non-free drivers and
firmware.
I code and do my work on a GNU/Linux machine. When I play games, its on a
console like the Wii or Xbox 360. The TV I play them on has proprietary
firmware and if I plug in a USB drive, it only plays non-free MP4 and MP3
formats. If I want that drive recognized, it has to be in FAT/FAT32 or
So in summary, the kernel in 12.04 and above already has the free driver in
it and doesn't need direct modification in the future. It's just the .deb
with the system firmwares needs to be customized to include the firmware when
it is ready.
When the firmware is ready, the Trisquel firmware
Hopefully in the next Trisquel meeting, the issue regarding the kernels will
be brought up and discussed with Ruben. That is if he actually shows up this
time.
I know its not in the Ubuntu or Trisquel repos and can be installed from the
official page, but do any of you use this instead of MySQL?
I ask this because Fedora and OpenSUSE announced recently that they were both
phasing out MySQL in favor of MariaDB. Their worries lie in rumors of Oracle
I forgot to list my sources. I was on the sh*tter on the phone when I posted
that and couldn't edit original:
http://www.muktware.com/4188/oracle-closing-mysql
http://www.muktware.com/5148/opensuse-dumps-mysql-makes-mariadb-default-database
It will make an even bigger impact when Red Hat Enterprise Linux and its
derivative CentOS make the switch over. Many servers at corporations and web
hosting companies use one of those two.
If Debian and Ubuntu follow suit soon after, then it could be the final nail
in MySQL's coffin.
Thanks for the responses. If the Atheros N devices can work out of the box
with Trisquel 6 using the standard and non backported libre kernels, then
that would be excellent. It is a good thing Chris looked into the Linux Libre
deblob script and hopefully his findings and suggestions
DNS and jxself are interesting people in the scope of the free software
world. Both are extremely talented and offer the most recent Linux Libre
kernel for Trisquel and other libre distros. Even if DNS didn't touch a
kernel again, his work on maintaining the free software in his PPAs is
The N wireless dongle that he sent me did NOT work out of the box in any
Trisquel or Ubuntu 12.04's stable kernels. It wasn't until I upgraded to
Ubuntu's 3.5 backport kernel that I was able to plug it in with no problem.
I do understand that clever hackers and PPA junkies will find a way to
I was wondering why the versions for Precise (aka Trisquel 6) from
https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa were stuck at 3.6.1 when
3.6.4 has been out for some time. The point of having this PPA was to offer
the stable releases for the supported Ubuntu versions.
I say this because
I'm really excited about this too. I have been testing out the test adapter
that Chris sent me and tried it on various computers in different rooms.
Heck, I was so confident in my testing I have it in my mother's computer at
her house and haven't gotten any calls yet. No problems connecting
I still see 3.6.1 as my latest packages for Precise and sorting the main PPA
shows that 3.6.1 is the latest version at this moment:
https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=field.status_filter=publishedfield.series_filter=precise
Don't forget to run fc-cache -fv or sudo fc-cache -fv (if not running as
su) in terminal after you copy over the fonts to update the font cache and
make the fonts permanent.
As stated earlier, the typical font folders are in /usr/share/fonts or the
./fonts directory (hidden in your HOME
I think I read somewhere or on the Linux Action Show that Fedora was also
considering a rolling release model.
If this version doesn't get released by April, then that means the codebase
it is based off of is one year old and 2 versions behind Ubuntu.
Obviously this distro has turned into a secondary priority for Ruben and it
shows. No updates and the founder rarely communicates with us.
I've said
One other thing: Ubuntu 11.10, the version that 5.5 is based off of, is at
the end of its lifecycle in April of this year.
Debian testing also has GCC 4.7: http://packages.debian.org/testing/gcc
I actually chose your standard linux-libre kernel from your PPA and with you
having a real-time one available, that is awesome for those who want to do
audio and video editing on a GNU machine.
Btw I had this idea and tell me if it sounds crazy but what if you took your
skills into
I know I posted about Roboto over a year ago, but the font is included with
Ubuntu 13.04 according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/fonts-roboto and
I was wondering if the Trisquel team could include this font in the Trisquel
6 repos even if the Precise repos don't.
It's a nice font
Maybe the default install should switch to EXT4 then? I always end up going
the advanced route and manually creating and formatting the partitions
instead of going with the defaults.
( . Y . )
VB from the Ubuntu/Trisquel repos is outdated and it is best to grab it from
their repository at https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
With that enabled, does it fix your issue?
I hate to recommend this again since it isn't Gnome like the current
Trisquel, but if you want to recreate the Gnome 2 look in Trisquel, you are
going to have to use MATE with the Trisquel themes and icons.
Please release the damn thing already.
I do have a question for DNS or jxself -
I tried looking around the How Trisquel is made and package-helpers pages
to look for it, but do any of you know where you can directly get the file
that Ruben uses to convert the Ubuntu kernel into a Linux Libre one?
If that is not made available,
The move to HTML5 apps in favor of Java not only makes it easier for web
heads like myself to develop for it, but hopefully bridges the gap in other
phones as well. Still, I highly doubt Apple and Microsoft will go HTML5 for
apps since they want to keep you locked in to their app ecosystem
Wasn't Diaspora supposed to be the poster child for truely open and
decentralized social networking under an Affero GPLv3 license? Did that even
get finished or is it considered a failure?
With your Google Chrome reference, the only real difference from the BSD
licensed Chromium version is that it includes MP4 and MP3 codecs, proprietary
Flash and PDF plugins, Google branding, and user tracking.
Functionality wise, the same version of Chromium works the same as Chrome.
There
I know you are nitpicking, but I did say DNS' PPA which is possessive for
ownership of the PPA mentioned and not limiting to a singular DNS PPA for
which you thought. I know you have multiple PPAs.
How about you offer the deblobbed Ubuntu kernel in your repository or create
a new one? I'm
Identi.ca is popular with the free software crowd because it is based on
StatusNet, an Affero GPLv3 based micro blogging software like Twitter.
Trisquel has an account there and it is very active.
I recently read a story at
Yup, with StatusNet being Affero GPLv3, the source code for any competitive
advantage changes or spying would have to be released back into the mainline
and therefore he (Evan) didn't do it. With his new platform, he can do
anything he wants with Pump.io (spying and proprietary code) and
This story is a few years old, but may give some reasons as to why someone
would pick Apache over GPL:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10229817-16.html
I recently found out about DNS' PPA at
https://launchpad.net/~linux-libre/+archive/ppa that offers a Linux Libre
kernel which I assume is the exact same files (or based off of) as offered in
jxself's http://jxself.org/linux-libre/ repository.
Are there any huge differences between the two
I do have a question for you and I wonder if this is a lot of work. Currently
you maintain the latest Linux Libre kernel and put in your repository. Is
there a way that you can maintain a seperate repository that matches the
version numbers as the Ubuntu releases? I know that Ruben will take
I can see where a person can get confused with two sources for the same libre
kernel with the DNS one being on launchpad and yours being on your site and
hosted on fsfla. On top of that, DNS' repository acknowledges yours in his
notes and does seem like a duplication of effort.
Having a
If you can nail the OS to look EXACTLY like Trisquel 4 to 5, then you are one
step closer to bringing consistency to this operating system. Even though
this is based on the Trisquel 5.5 repos, I have a feeling it could look great
too with 6.
Medibuntu has a free repo that includes libdvdcss2 and the dvd playback
packages.
The issue with these FSF events is their waste of resources. People going to
a MS store may already have a reason to go there to buy MS related products.
It isn't a Best Buy and not a general purpose store.
I'm also surprised that the FSF, if they planned this in advance, didn't
light a
Abrowser in the Ubuntu repos is a transitional package that installs Firefox.
Trisquel's repos offer a complete unbranded package.
Sorry to revisit and old thread (for which no one replied) but I ran sudo
update-manager -d to update 4 to 4.5 and was unable to do so. Gave me an
error about missing packages.
I hope 4 to 6 update is possible. :-(
You'll have to do it on your own, cuz Ruben won't do it. He still clings to
Gnome Fallback instead of giving Unity or MATE a chance.
MATE may not be in the official repos, but there is a PPA for it. Plus, the
Trisquel repos include packages independent of Ubuntu like Abrowser.
http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/cinnamon
I was poking around the Ubuntu repos today and noticed that the Cinnamon
desktop environment will be included in the official Ubuntu repositories for
13.04 and above and therefore available for Trisquel 7.0 when it comes out in
a year or more.
Cinnamon has a 2d mode as a fallback for those without acceleration and I
believe 1.8 will boost performance.
According to an article at
http://www.datamation.com/open-source/top-linux-trends-2012-2013-page-3.html
about Linux trends this year, the author talks about the decline of free
software in importance and involvement since its peak in 2007. Talks about
how open source is the preferred
I somehow came across the article through a datamation link I found. It also
seems that guy has an agenda against free software as well from a prior
article:
http://www.datamation.com/open-source/7-reasons-why-free-software-is-losing-influence.html
Just because someone throws that at the end doesnt change the context of the
rest of the article. Its like he speaks his mind but then throws in a
sentence to be bipartisan to give the impression to others that he isn't
biased on one side.
This is why I use an older hotmail email address when posting on forums. I
don't mind the spam and it doesn't contain personal emails with information
that links to my private life.
You don't want to base it on Debian because that will end up taking more
resources to maintain and make sure things don't break. Debian Testing, even
though not as bleeding edge as Unstable, is still like the wild west in how
things work. Linux Mint Debian started as a pure Testing distro,
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