GNU isn't an entity, it's an operating system, and the FSF is responsible
for its development. The GNU Project is that development.
Hi jsebean,
I just tried to search your graphics card from www.h-node.org and it seems
that it is not reported. Could you report it? It would be very useful to
other people. Your comments would be especially useful in the comment section
since you managed to solve your problem.
t I would feel much happier to donate to the FSF if it actually looked like
they were working on an OS distro like Trisquel or even an official GNU
distro and keeping up with the new hardware that comes out.
GNU Guix?
FSF doesn't develop software, I think, GNU does (both are tied to RMS but
I am really disappointed by this. The FSF should build or stand behind in
some way and help fund an OS that keeps up with hardware support as the
drivers are released to make it easier for people to switch to free software.
If they did this I would go out of my way to try to support the FSF
jsbean, my recommendation is never to buy recent hardware as it isn't always
well supported by free software when it is released (not all bugs are ironed
out yet or it isn't supported in older software or the older software
requires configuration in order to use the new hardware). You can
You don't seem to understand though. If I do not install linux-libre's latest
kernel then the Xorg server will not launch. Trisquel 6 as it is does not
work whatsoever. And even after I update the kernel, I get no 3D acceleration
due to configuration issues that I have no idea how to
The bios issue is one that I would like to overcome, but I guess it's not
necessarily important as it's not something I change. I don't want an old
outdated system that doesn't have any 3D acceleration (I don't know the specs
on the Gluglug) but I know there are systems that do, such as
The gluglug X60 also supports 3D acceleration. I personally don't understand
the hype surrounding new processors - for me a computer from 5 years ago is
good enough as long as the screen has high enough resolution (your Acer
laptop I would find unusable because of its low 1366x768
You don't need to downgrade what you already have (just waiting will give you
support from the stable systems), but when it's time to get a new PC, getting
something that's been out for a while is going to be a lot less hassle than
something very recent.
Thanks for that, I wish they would elaborate more on the site as I can't find
specs specifically as to what type of CPU and hardware they have.
I don't look for fancy, I can't afford it anyway, 1366x768 works fine for me,
I just don't want something as slow as something like the Lemote haha,
Well with such a low resolution screen you are limited to other things, e.g.
you cannot view 1080P movies without downscaling them, you cannot edit and
view high resolution pictures since most of the information will not be kept
at that resolution, you cannot write documents or surf the web
1080p is not happening here. I barely get 1Mbps anyway, haha so typically I
can hardly watch a video on youtube at 360p, let alone 1080 or even 720. 480
doesn't even work :P. Torrents do not work well on this connection so I don't
do that, and I have no intentions of buying BluRay discs. I
You also should be carful about kde offering some media codecs or widgets
(don't know about this in detail) which might be proprietary.
I've heard that kde is doing this from time to time.
But beside of this you should be fine with debian jessie.
I never install anything that is from non-free and contrib, if it involves me
having to add those repos then I don't do it. That said I'd like to know if
anyone knows what kind of proprietary codecs KDE may suggest, I believe it
may suggest flash player on it's browser but that can be
About whining: I don't think he was talking to you. He was talking to
quantumgravity.
It makes no sense to me to tell people to switch to free software when the
majority of PCs out now cannot run it not because the hardware isn't
supported in free software, but because the latest releases of free software
OSes are behind in adding support for the hardware.
Yeah, I feel the
Keep in mind, the timing of the Ubuntu 14.04 release is pretty crucial in
this case. It sounds like you need a very recent kernel, and it sounds like
you also need a very recent version of some other software, like X perhaps,
that Trisquel 6 doesn't have. Basically, you need a bleeding-edge
Whining doesn't help. I don't see either of your names on the Trisquel donate
list.
You will never seen them on this list if certain things don't change;
as soon as I have a decent income (at the moment I don't) I will at first
donate to some much more fundamental projects like gnome or debian;
then I will donate to people who are working on free firmware and free
drivers as
For those of you who want more info on what Magic and others were saying
about the kernel and xorg:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
If looks are important, install the latest Elementary OS (Luna) and then run
the Ubuntu to Trisquel conversion script from
https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/migrate-ubuntu-trisquel-without-reinstalling
Another route is to install Trisquel 6 and then install elementary-desktop
from the official
The goal you perceive as important gives light to the route to take. I
think that you perceive this as a pep talk. Nevertheless, it is the way
to see your problem so that you don't run nowhere fast.
When you manifest your interest in installing a distro that uses
non-free software it shows that
Good to know that your problem is solved without having to use nonfree
software :)
Debian does a much better job than Ubuntu at separating free and nonfree
software (and that's why it's my distro of choice on arm, which none of the
FSF-endorsed distros support)
Not really solved perfectly but it'll do for now I guess until Trisquel 7 is
out, haha.
I'm hoping the Trusty enablement pack might fix the issue but I don't know.
If looks are important, install the latest Elementary OS (Luna) and then run
the Ubuntu to Trisquel conversion script from
jsebean
Reinstall Trisquel as it is. avoid using the linux-libre kernel, this kernel
is not that well supported.
In my opinion is just a shaby kernel. Use the main one from trisquel cd
installation not the bull-crap linux-libre kernel.
I had the same problem before with an 1-3 desktop
Intel Chips do work in freedom, including the one I have, unfortunately
Trisquel and all the other distros do not seem to keep up with hardware
support. Bummer, I'm going to have to install Ubuntu 14.04. Perhaps I can
remove some non-free packages after? At least it works and is better than
Sure, Ubuntu can be used in freedom, it's just not like that by default.
Everything in the Main and Universe repositories is supposed to be
free/libre, but keep in mind that proprietary firmware and proprietary fonts
exist in the Main repository (because of how Canonical defines software and
Quick Side note regarding the kernel version. The ValleyView drivers were
included in Linux Kernel 3.11, so ubuntu 14.04's kernel and The Linux-Libre
kernel in jxself's repo has the driver. It's just a matter of setting it up I
have no idea how.
I would feel much happier to donate to the FSF if it actually looked like
they were working on an OS distro like Trisquel or even an official GNU
distro and keeping up with the new hardware that comes out.
By purchasing a laptop with Microsoft Windows you already donated several
dollars to
El 22/04/14 09:38, jonahsab...@gmail.com escribió:
Intel Chips do work in freedom, including the one I have,
unfortunately Trisquel and all the other distros do not seem to keep
up with hardware support. Bummer, I'm going to have to install Ubuntu
14.04. Perhaps I can remove some non-free
I should point out that the FSF expresses no interest in developing its own
distro:
Quote from https://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html.en#gnudist
As for developing a distribution of GNU/Linux, we already did this
once, when we funded the early development of Debian GNU/Linux. To do
it
Try the LTS enablement stack from saucy. Simply run:
$ sudo apt-get install --install-recommends
{linux-generic,xserver-xorg,libgl1-mesa-glx}-lts-saucy
Wow, lots of relies. Let's start top to bottom haha. :)
I would feel much happier to donate to the FSF if it actually looked like
they were working on an OS distro like Trisquel or even an official GNU
distro and keeping up with the new hardware that comes out.
By purchasing a laptop with
Just a curious sidenote getting back to the real issue. The installer of
Trisquel actually shows, that is how I can install trisquel (I don't use any
text based installer, not sure if there even is one?), however, it boots to
console after installing until updating the kernel. It also boots
Saucy has 3.11, but if it doesn't work, jxself said he's working on the LTS
enablement stack from Trusty.
Thanks for that. I installed the Saucy enablement stack but it utterly broke
the system haha. Black screen, I could hear Orca come up but I couldn't even
get to a console. So back to square one again, gotta reinstall. The farthest
I got was with the linux-libre repo.
The goal you perceive as important gives light to the route to take. I
think that you perceive this as a pep talk. Nevertheless, it is the way
to see your problem so that you don't run nowhere fast.
When you manifest your interest in installing a distro that uses
non-free software it shows that
Hello folks. So I have an Acer Aspire E1-510-2821 PC I bought from walmart.
It has Intel graphics and Atheros Wireless, but came with Windows 8 :/. I
wanted to liberate it so I figured Trisquel would be a good choice, but much
to my suprise, when I booted Trisquel it only booted to console.
Search posting the result of lspci -vmmnn on the search box of the
search page in h-node.com
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Saludos libres,
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Free software is (in the sense I'm using in this comment) about Legal
Freedom. Freedom 0 is achieved when it's legal to run something (it's legal
to hack linux-libre and run proprietary firmware with it), it's legal to
study, share, and modify Trisquel.
It is, however, illegal to
Old ATI firmware is freely licensed (under an MIT-style license like the
driver), while there is no source code nor documentation available. We
don't know what instructions there are nor what it exactly does, so we
cannot study nor modify it as easily as AMD can. New firmware (some for
R600, all
-Then hire someone else to do it for you.
dont tell me what to do, and i dont tell you where you go. besides all code
is done, there no need of unnecessary programming.
-The point of free/libre software isn't for software to be flexible,
extensible, easy to use
but at least it must be usable
@all
please don't feed the trolls
but you wrong: 0. Freedom to run the program AS YOU WISH.
I can run free parts Trisquel whichever way I want as I wish - but that
hasn't necesarrily got anything to do with running other programmes in
tandem, free or non-free, in my case NVIDIA's proprietary driver (and in a
laptop I've
nomad said:
but at least it must be usable at all: 0. Freedom to run the program.
now os is useless, only thing i see is porridge from random pixels,
and only way to fix it is install ati drivers. but you tell me that
my freedom(to run the program as i wish, and i wish to run it with
The drivers are already installed, it's the non-free firmware that cannot be
installed.
-The drivers are already installed,
i dont want this drivers, this crap dont work, i want non-free ati drivers.
how i install they, just download from main site?
-non-free firmware that cannot be installed.
wow
such freedom
much liberty
Then why did you decide for trisquel in the first place?
There are thousands of distros out there full of non-free stuff. You pick one
of the few 100% libre distros and then complain about.
Think about this:
The number of options in your life doesn't equal the amount of freedom you
have.
it would be paradox if on non-free windows i can install free apps, but on
free linux i cant install non-free apps.
No, it wouldn't. We we talk about Free Software, we talk about software that
respects the 4 software freedoms (
From my understanding, Linux-libre actively blocks known proprietary firmware
somehow. I don't think this is a good idea. It's like if an OS scanned
binaries to detect if they were known proprietary programs and refused to run
them; it's a digital restriction mechanism. The blobs should just
nomad said:
it would be paradox if on non-free windows i can install free apps,
but on free linux i cant install non-free apps.
Actually, no, that would be the expected circumstance, unless the free/libre
OS is the more popular one (not the case when comparing GNU/Linux with
Windows).
You are free to install whatever you want on your computer, including
non-free programs, drivers, and firmware. However, no one on this forum will
help you do so, because it directly contradicts our stance on non-free
software.
Yeah, I do agree with you on that, especially with the FSF's (or at least
RMS') stance on DRM, which effectively is what the block is, in my opinion.
Just removing the firmware would make the kernel log names of missing
firmware files. It is considered a recommendation of that firmware, so
it is changed. (Debian additionally disables functionality that works
on my machine without using the firmware and makes it print the nonfree
firmware
Michael Maslowski said:
Just removing the firmware would make the kernel log names of missing
firmware files. It is considered a recommendation of that firmware, so
it is changed.
Then you change the messages in the kernel log to not mention it, right? You
don't need to actively block the
It works by changing the firmware file name in the source to
/*(DEBLOBBED)*/ and making it special case that string so it is rejected
and prints an additional Missing Free firmware message. While
confusing (is there other firmware? is the removed firmware free?), the
message is probably useful.
Michal Maslowski said:
It works by changing the firmware file name in the source to
/*(DEBLOBBED)*/ and making it special case that string so it is rejected
and prints an additional Missing Free firmware message.
So, it doesn't block actual firmware, but blocks a special nonsense name and
Yes, driver sources contain firmware file names.
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-mah free linux
-scanned binaries to detect if they were known proprietary programs and
refused to run them; it's a digital restriction mechanism.
HA-HA!
-and compile it.
i wont compile as well as i wont debug, refactor, disassemble etc. i not
programmer, it is not my job to get thing work
Huh. What about assigning different names for the firmware files, then? Has
that been considered?
nomad said:
-scanned binaries to detect if they were known proprietary programs
and refused to run them; it's a digital restriction mechanism.
HA-HA!
I hope you realize that was a hypothetical. No system does this.
Also please do see the replies to my comment. Linux-libre not being able to
The idea of using machine-specific hashes is exactly this and not making
Web searches for the exact error message show how to get the nonfree
firmware. Linux-libre mailing list archives should have much more
dicussion and design for this.
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They all require proprietary firmware
so, if i install it 3d will work?
- so, if i install it 3d will work?
Yes, but Trisquel is a free distribution which does not support loading
non-free firmware. Performancewise AMD / ATI cards with the free radeon
drivers are a good option but only if your distribution / kernel supports
loading of non-free firmware.
-does not support loading non-free firmware
what it means, i cant install ATI drivers?
os booting ok only if nomodeset is on. why? maybe os need some non free
components? video card: radeon hd 2600 pro.
nomad said:
video card: radeon
Worst GPU possible. All (AMD/ATI) Radeon cards are absolute crap with
free/libre software. They all require proprietary firmware to do 3-D
acceleration, and as far as I'm aware no significant group of people is
trying to fix the problem by
Does your guest OS have Virtualbox Guest Additions installed? In Trisquel,
they are the virtualbox-guest-* packages.
Is there something special I have to do to enable 3D acceleration in
VirtualBox VMs? I checked the Enable 3D Acceleration box in the Settings
menu for the VM, but I don't get 3D acceleration in the VM.
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I have a NVIDIA 9500GT card which provides me with 3D acceleration. Games or
applications which require it (e.g. Extreme Tux Racer, Stellarium) work
absolutely fine in GNOME. In KDE, I can enable desktop effects and some
games which require 3D acceleration (e.g. Open Arena) work perfectly,
It might be KDE's compositioning manager. I've had issues with it before, as
well as plenty of other issues, so I just stopped using KDE. Does it happen
when you turn off its desktop effects and try again?
I'm honestly not too sure how many people here use KDE, so I'm trying my
best.
I as well don't like the direction GNOME's taking.
I really like what Trisquel's doing, however, in making GNOME 3's fallback
shell probably the best version of GNOME 3. I still use GNOME 2 however,
since I don't use Trisquel (I use Parabola instead, another free distribution
based off of
Sorry if I wasn't clear.
I'm not entirely sure on the details. Here are the facts:
Intel Graphics: Good
AMD Graphics: Bad
nVidia Graphics: Bad (although we have a partial solution no thanks to
nVidia)
Motherboards with AMD CPUs: Good
Motherboards with Intel CPUs: Bad
You can't get a
Although I don't recommend nvidia cards, I must admit that the nouveau
project is doing some great work. I get 3D acceleration on Trisquel 5.5 so
GNOME Shell works fine.
you don't have to write the whole OS again with each copy/download.
I think it's an OK analogy since you don't have to design the whole device
either with each manufacture. With hardware, the design is something like 99%
of the costs.
A company that produces free software compatible hardware only would probably
be born to die, but I agree, it would be awesome!
@lembas: yes, there were a lot of people thinking that a whole free OS was
impossible, but the difference is that each piece (copy) of hardware has to
be
Well, I've been reading about Libre-Linux's catch22: AMD supports coreboot,
but no free drivers for 3d acceleration and Intel has free drivers for 3D but
doesn't support coreboot (which IMHO does no good for either of them or the
users, and doesn't make any sense whatsoever).
And I just
Well, I've been reading about Libre-Linux's catch22: AMD supports
coreboot, but no free drivers for 3d acceleration and Intel has free
drivers for 3D but doesn't support coreboot (which IMHO does no good
for either of them or the users, and doesn't make any sense
whatsoever).
DRM is a reason
I just took a quick look into this. Mostly out of curiosity. I hadn't ever
considered this setup before for a freer system. The problem is ATI/nVidia
don't work for free software users. However the older nVidia chipsets can be
used with a reverse engineered graphics driver (although
And then throw in wifi to the mess and it's quite impossible to find a
perfect combination.
The only good solution would be to manufacture hardware of our own. Sure, it
will take a long time and cost a lot of money but then it would work. In the
beginning many people thought having a
Are you certain the Intel 2000/3000 works with Trisquel? I've got two laptops
with Intel HD 3000 and they can't decode 720p when I run Trisquel on them, at
least not 'out of the box'. The newer of those two is a Dell 15R, which also
has proprietary Intel WiFi, so overall its rendered useless
To decode 720P via GPU using Intel graphics you need to use (for example)
MPlayer with Video Acceleration API (VAAPI) as the output driver. If the
version of Mplayer shipped in Trisquel isn't compiled with VAAPI support you
will need to compile a version of MPlayer yourself (in Parabola the
Does anyone know if such a CPU/GPU provides 3D acceleration for Trisquel:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116399
Intel HD in general?
I couldn't find the answer on h-node.
Thanks!
The GeForce 9500 from libre.thinkpenguin will work with 3D acceleration as
well. If you will buy that, you will not be restricted to Intel CPUs. If you
are not restricted to those, you can obviously take an AMD one, which will:
a) cost you a bit less for the same performance
b) allow you to
I believe the nVidia chipsets using the nouvau driver is for the most part
free. Trisquel supports it. I've been told that this is not 100% free though
and it relies on something that isn't free. I have not talked to Rubén about
it although I assume he investigated it and has removed any
Porting coreboot is a non-trivial task. It takes a long time and by the time
a board gets support it is not readily available.
AMD has cooperated with the coreboot project so the boards with AMD
technologies are better supported. The problem is AMD has not cooperated with
the free software aspect though and so the 3d acceleration won't work.
Intel on the other hand has cooperated with the free software movement in
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