Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-11-22 Thread Ivaylo Valkov
Ivaylo Valkov writes: > iva...@e-valkov.org writes: > >> It disables/enables JavaScript more easily than the >> internal option. > > Yet no code available from my working copy. Might happen this week. There are two Git repository [1] at Gitorious that hold the latest sources and the website. I h

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-11-19 Thread andrew . roffey
Luckily Ubuntu won't be using GNOME 3.8 for a while (Ubuntu 13.04 will apparently use 3.6 - which will probably be the base of Trisquel 7.0). Good news about your extension. I look forward to using it. :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-11-18 Thread Ivaylo Valkov
Ivaylo Valkov writes: > iva...@e-valkov.org writes: >> (Yes, yes the website and the bug tracker as well need fixes, I >> know. ;) Lack of time.) > Fey issues were submitted by me, that should be fixed before 0.3 is > released. Funny, the typo means completely different thing. Read as "fe*w*".

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-11-18 Thread Ivaylo Valkov
iva...@e-valkov.org writes: > It disables/enables JavaScript more easily than the > internal option. [1] > > (Yes, yes the website and the bug tracker as well need fixes, I > know. ;) Lack of time.) > > http://e-valkov.org/epiphany-extensions/js-switch-off/ The website is fixed for all resolution

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-11-01 Thread tegskywalker
A benefit of jQuery is due to its popularity on CDNs and their caching, more often than not, you will be loading a cached version instead of pulling from their servers every time. I know that the googleapis CDN can cache a jQuery script for a year if a specific version is given. The initial d

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-11-01 Thread Ivaylo Valkov
В 21:15 +0100 на 01.11.2012 (чт), tegskywal...@hotmail.com написа: > It is true that a lot of JavaScript code is proprietary to the parent site, > don't lump jQuery into the same category. Where did you read that or how did you imagined it? I've said twice I am excluding free software JavaScrip

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-11-01 Thread tegskywalker
It is true that a lot of JavaScript code is proprietary to the parent site, don't lump jQuery into the same category. While it does have copyright tied to a non profit foundation (like the FSF), the permissive MIT license it has will let you do what you want. The source is fully open and free

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-11-01 Thread Ivaylo Valkov
В 16:23 +0100 на 31.10.2012 (ср), tegskywal...@hotmail.com написа: > Spare the lecture. I wasn't really lecturing. You asked some questions I've answered them from my perspective. > what is the REAL issue at hand? Increasingly large programs written in JavaScript. In addition: * those JavaSc

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-31 Thread chris
:) Of course. I think anything to encourage companies / organizations / individuals to fix issues is a good thing!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-31 Thread andrew . roffey
> Turning off JavaScript entirely? I remember how websites were in 1996/1997 and I really don't want to return to those archaic dark ages. This website works fine without JS, and it doesn't look like it comes from 1996/1997. In terms of style, CSS has modernised the web.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-31 Thread tegskywalker
Spare the lecture. All I was saying is that a benefit of JavaScript is the universal support of it. Much like when you go to a web site and every browser supports JPEG, PNG, and CSS. While it is true that people can abuse JavaScript and it is even worse to check the code when it is minified

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-31 Thread andrew . roffey
Of course - I don't use Facebook and I encourage others to give it up as well. But with JavaScript it's quite easy for any website to misuse JS. For any website which people reveal themselves on, that's potentially problematic.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-31 Thread chris
There is a really easy solution to facebook and it is to not use it. If someone sends you a link you tell them why you don't use it.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-31 Thread andrew . roffey
> extensions like LibreJS need to be better for the ideology to succeed. Perhaps it is. :-) I haven't tried tried LibreJS because I'm used to having JS enabled entirely (and I have for the past year). To elaborate on why I dislike JavaScript a little more though: As a perfect example, Facebo

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-30 Thread Ivaylo Valkov
В 05:02 +0100 на 31.10.2012 (ср), tegskywal...@hotmail.com написа: > I still don't see the point in disabling JavaScript as it would break most > sites. Because it gives control to the user to browse however he/she wants. One of the best practises in making websites is to make it so that it coul

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-30 Thread tegskywalker
I still don't see the point in disabling JavaScript as it would break most sites. JavaScript is a universal language supported in all browsers and even the archaic IE6 can play nice with JS frameworks like jQuery. The hardcore free software guys will do what they want anyways through extens

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-30 Thread andrew . roffey
> This introduced "bug"/"feature" in Epiphany migh be the motivation I need to finally finish the improvements in my Epiphany extension and revive it. It disables/enables JavaScript more easily than the internal option. [1] That's excellent - if I decide to use Epiphany/Web at a later date I

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-30 Thread aliasbody
Abrowser is a Firefox-based browser create by the Trisquel team xD Creating one from scratch would mean a lot of work not available right now.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-30 Thread purplebeach1984
Honestly, I used to like Chrome/Chromium but I don't see any particular reason to use it. I have been using Midori and it works just as well. It'd be cool if Trisquel developed their own browser.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-30 Thread aliasbody
Epiphany is better with HTML5 than Firefox (Abrowser) because of the WebKit. Just open a youtube video (or an HTML5 Canvas Benchmark) and look at the differences (visually and also performance) between the two. But yes it is the only thing where Epiphany is better. Epiphany was made by the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-30 Thread ivaylo
This introduced "bug"/"feature" in Epiphany migh be the motivation I need to finally finish the improvements in my Epiphany extension and revive it. It disables/enables JavaScript more easily than the internal option. [1] The publicly released version more than a year ago does not support 3.x

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-30 Thread ivaylo
Even if in your eyes these browsers are better, there are still people out there that might want to use Epiphany. At one point Epiphany was the only sane light browser option. Replacing it might not be an option for every user for various reasons.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-29 Thread tegskywalker
Doesn't matter as Abrowser (Firefox), Chromium, and Midori are better browsers with the option to disable JavaScript there. Plus there are the extensions for the Firefox and Chromium based browsers that let you do what you want with them. Epiphany is a wannabe browser.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-28 Thread mikko . viinamaki
>My opinion is that web browsers should do the reverse: make JS disabled by default. Now this would be wonderful! So many pages misuse JS.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-27 Thread alonivtsan
Epiphany is now called "Web" for some reason. I'm guessing the developers don't want to confuse new users with lots of different settings, so any "advanced" setting in their view (including changing the user agent which is essential since Web isn't a popular browser and thus some websites are

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-27 Thread andrew . roffey
Thanks for your reply, that's interesting information. Just to clarify my original post (for anyone reading), I don't hate GNOME or anything and I don't mind their software (which comes with freedom), but I don't support removing this option in Epiphany. I don't use Epiphany but a lot of di

Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-27 Thread Michał Masłowski
> Sources: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685393 > http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/core/3.7/3.7.1/NEWS Browsers enable JS by default -> sites require it -> browser developers think disabling JS will confuse users; I don't understand the last step, not knowing people breaking their bro

[Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS

2012-10-26 Thread andrew . roffey
Sources: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685393 http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/core/3.7/3.7.1/NEWS Epiphany 3.7 will be removing the option to disable JavaScript. Only users in the know-how will be able to disable it, via GSettings. The continuing trend that I've noticed is that mo