This is kinda off-topic, but i'm running Trisquel on a Acer Aspire 5315 and
it really surprised me that the laptop's wifi-thing just worked right away.
I'm not saying that you should go buy one of these, but I'm not saying that
you shouldn't either.
What about MNT Reform?
I hope someone will make better usb wifi adapters some day.
I wonder if Luke would be willing to make some if he knew the others were
junk...
MNT Reform Laptop/Eoma68 Laptop are the only good options if they ever get
released that is...
;)
I am hopeful they will in the future, but I am not sure you will get any
noticeable security boost in arm vs intel for this reason:
> From what I remember, the problem I was having with the first one
> was similar to yours an the replacement worked fine.
I ordered a batch of five so that I could lend them out to people who I
set up with Trisquel. All of them perform poorly.
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I got a USB WiFi dongle from ThinkPenguin that I suspect was part of a bad
batch. After a series of emails where we triaged the problem and confirmed it
couldn't be solved, ThinkPenguin offered me a replacement. The original
dongle I ordered was this one:
Yes, I should have made it clear in my post about Panfrost working with
Tuxcart and Kodi that it will be relevant to the Pinebook Pro, and not the
original Pinebook. That could be an interesting laptop for $199, if Panfrost
continues to develop quickly this year. This is all stuff I am
Okay; so maybe it's relevant for the Pinebook "Pro" then, and not the
original Pinebook.
Hi jxself, yes the Pinebook uses the A64, but from everything I'm reading the
Pinebook Pro will have the Pine64 Rockchip RK3399 with MALI T-860 Quad-Core
GPU when it is released later this year.
That is good news for Panfrost but seems to not matter for the Pinebook?
Please let me know if I am following things correctly, with citations:
The Pinebook [0] will use the Pine A64 single board computer [1].
The Pine A64 single board computer is made using the Allwinner A64 SoC [2].
The
> PCI vs USB WI-FI results argument is totally void. There is no such thing.
>
> Check stock TL-WN721N/TL-WN722N or what thinkpenguin/tehcnoetical have.
When I began migrating to free software, I bought several ThinkPenguin
WiFi dongles and used them for a year. It was extremely frustrating. I
News just today that the community Mali 3D driver, Panfrost, is now running
Tuxcart and Kodi:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Panfrost-Gallium-Kodi-STK
Raptor should be releasing the Blackbird Power9 mainboard soon, an ATX style
board for under $1,000, making owning a personal Power9 desktop far more
affordable.
PCI vs USB WI-FI results argument is totally void. There is no such thing.
Check stock TL-WN721N/TL-WN722N or what thinkpenguin/tehcnoetical have.
Pinebook PRO vs X200
size and weight x4
silent (no fans, no HDD)
Ram 4GB LPDDR4 dual-channel vs 4GB/8GB DDR3
Battery life
Number of cores: 6 vs 2
> I'm assuming you've tried the full-sized USB dongles with the flip
> antenna, like this one?
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atheros-AR9271-802-11n-150Mbps-Wireless-USB-WiFi-Adapter-for-Linux-Kali-Linux/302918103655?hash=item4687537267:g:NpsAAOSwAI9bv-wl
>
> I've had a lot of luck with them.
No, I
> It's not a laptop but there's also the TALOS II. You'll never see POWER9
> in a laptop. If I had to give up the laptop form factor in order to have
> a future in freedom then I could do that. I'm already there. Most of my
> computers are not laptops.
Portability aside, the TALOS II is extremely
"That's why I said that I'm glad to see exploration of alternative
architectures. I hope to eventually see non-x86 laptops that are better than
the aging librebootable ThinkPads, but it doesn't seem like we're there yet"
It's not a laptop but there's also the TALOS II. You'll never see
I'm assuming you've tried the full-sized USB dongles with the flip antenna,
like this one?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atheros-AR9271-802-11n-150Mbps-Wireless-USB-WiFi-Adapter-for-Linux-Kali-Linux/302918103655?hash=item4687537267:g:NpsAAOSwAI9bv-wl
I've had a lot of luck with them.
> chaosmonk Doesn't every recent AMD/Nvidia graphic card require
> proprietary firmwares for 3D accel?
I think so.
> EVERY device that runs Trisquel you stick PCI or USB card if you want
> WI-FI period.
Yes, and I have had great results with PCI and very poor results with
USB.
> How this works
jxself you have my props and kudos and appreciation.
Thatoo don't worry, just have patience and we'll see.
Most (All?) chinese ARM SoCs "boot on" u-boot.
chaosmonk Doesn't every recent AMD/Nvidia graphic card require proprietary
firmwares for 3D accel?
How this works out? "freedom-wise" every
I thought there were no modern laptop that can boot on libreboot... Would it
not be better to be able to install Trisquel on a computer you can trust from
boot with the only compromise of using a usb-wifi adapter?
I might have miss something there.
Linux-libre is already being built for 64-bit ARM:
https://jxself.org/linux-libre/
A good freedom test might be for someone that already owns this board to test
it out and see what happens. Of course, I am not suggesting that anyone get
it merely for testing; only if someone already has
Panfrost does now work with support for EGL and OpenGL ES, as well as Wayland
and media playback and has a driver merged in Mesa and is pushing for its
kernel DRM driver to be accepted for mainline kernel inclusion.
> Pinebook pro can work natively
> with ubuntu and proprietary blobs and if you buy a usb-wifi adapter, it
> could even work 100% freely with Trisquel (for example).
This has been true of every laptop I've encountered, so it isn't
remarkable. The only problems I often run into with laptops are
Nice discussion, I learned plenty of stuff. Thank you to both of you.
So, if I understand well, the Pinebook Pro with a usb-wifi adapter could work
without any proprietary blob. So for a first work from Pine64, if we forget
the "experimental" Pinebook (not pro) which was quiet light for most
"Do you know any device that has soldered WI-FI chip that is not "needing
proprietary software" ?"
Sadly, I don't. But: That it may be common among the various SoC as you say
doesn't make it untrue of this particular one as well so I don't get the
objection to mentioning it about this
Nope. Please.
Do you know any device that has soldered WI-FI chip is not "needing
proprietary software" ?
All such chips are PCI or USB. (If there is SDIO one I really want to know
about it).
Graphics/display output is properly working presently.
3D and Video accelarion is a different thing
"...in the works."
Which of course means they're not working presently, which is consistent with
the earlier information.
"For WI-FI just stick one tiny usb-wifi adapter. "
This is also consistent with the earlier information about the built-in WiFi
needing proprietary software. It's good
GPUs in x86 (AMD/NVIDIA) have 3D, Video accelaration (encode/decode) and
render/display together.
Tt is different from
GPUs in ARM SoC where these 3 parts are separate and independent Intelectual
Property (IP) blocks.
Mali is the 3D (OpenGLES). It's NOT needed to have a working
"whats wrong with Mali"
Needing proprietary software it what's wrong. :)
To quote from
https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/ReverseEngineering#Mali:
"Mali GPUs are divided into three versions: Utgard, Midgard, and Bifrost. The
Lima project is creating a free software driver for the
Hello,
I'm not sure this answer is useful and it means something about freedom but I
think it's fair I share with you the answer I got on Pine64's forum :
Thatoo, whats wrong with Mali (and its not really a choice - its on the
SOCs)? there is both panfrost and lima in the works ...
I
Understood.
Thank you for this clear answer.
Trisquel 9 is supposed to support ARM.
"could it run on this specific laptop"
I stopped reading when finding that it has a Mali GPU and also RTL8723BS for
WiFi. Both of these need proprietary software, which Trisquel wouldn't
provide.
"would it be possible to dream of a Trisquel Touch,
Hello everybody,
I've just discovered the announcement of the Pinebook Pro,
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=7093 .
Reading on the forum, in thread from 2012 and 2014, I understood Trisquel was
not supporting arm.
What about today? Maybe the coming Trisquel 9?
Do you think then,
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