Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-15 Thread jibaro
Bookmarked for consummation. Thanks for the useful link lembas. Best Regards

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-14 Thread mikko . viinamaki
That's a great book. Here's more good stuff on hackers by Biella Coleman http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/09/the-anthropology-of-hackers/63308/

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-14 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 14/05/13 00:02, matt.i...@gmail.com escribió: I suppose I need to get better at figuring that out. It is not an easy task. I try to find out the person's motivations and former setbacks. I look for problems they have had in the past and try to relate those to freedom as the root cause. It

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-13 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 11/05/13 13:31, matt.i...@gmail.com escribió: The reason I say that users typically choose convenience over freedom is that when I try to make the argument for software freedom most people will shrug their shoulders and say,I don't care, it does what I want. When someone shrugs their

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-13 Thread jibaro
Apparently, you never heard of the hacker's hacker Richard Greenblatt. According to Steven Levy's book HACKERS HEROES OF THE COMPUTER REVOLTION, Greenblatt was a single-minded, unkempt, prolific, and cannonical MIT hacker who went into night phase so often that he zorched his academic

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-13 Thread matt . ivie
I suppose I need to get better at figuring that out.

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-12 Thread Andresmp
as far as I read the discussion is not over. fsf is not the only ones going against this EFF and creative commons and others are also against it. please see https://www.defectivebydesign.org/stepping-it-up-against-the-hollyweb to see how you can help.

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread matt . ivie
This feels a bit hopeless in some respects. By all means we should push on but when you've got such big companies involved it seems like it won't play out in the favour of free software. The problem I see is that if this goes through it will only make it easier for users of all systems to

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread shiretoko
Not to be a dick or anything, but these FSF campaigns remind me of hippies protesting the Vietnam war. People complain and wave banners and try to get the word out, but the people pulling the strings do what they want anyways. It would have been sad if there would have been no people waving

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 11/05/13 01:31, matt.i...@gmail.com escribió: Usually convenience wins out in that battle. I agree with you on the other points. But I don't think that most people value convenience over freedom. They value short-term over long-term benefits. Freedom is convenient. So that is not the issue.

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 10/05/13 18:18, tegskywal...@hotmail.com escribió: Not to be a dick or anything, but these FSF campaigns remind me of hippies protesting the Vietnam war. People complain and wave banners and try to get the word out, but the people pulling the strings do what they want anyways. So you think

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread krofnica996
When will they finally learn that DRM won't stop copying (Or piracy, if you prefer)? No matter what they do, as long as the video is played back on your screen, you can get a copy.

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread tegskywalker
The reality is that content publishers that stream video over the internet didn't like the existing HTML5 video spec that linked to a static MP4 or WebM file and had no way of stopping you from directly downloading and giving to your friend and sharing over BitTorrent. Then they would piss

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread em9002
Thank you, Magic Banana. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread matt . ivie
The reason I say that users typically choose convenience over freedom is that when I try to make the argument for software freedom most people will shrug their shoulders and say,I don't care, it does what I want.

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread tegskywalker
This really stirs up a conflict in me. One of the examples of successful DRM-free content was the Louis CK concert Live at the Beacon Theatre. It was offered on his site to stream and he still made over a million dollars from fans who wanted to support him. He does have the benefit of an

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread matt . ivie
About the Hippie comment, maybe, If Mr.Stallman got a decent haircut and a clean shave, Perhaps some one would taken him more seriously...I will support trisquel, but not FSE...unless their hippie leader changes to a more professional look. What is a professional look? Is it a hoodie like

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread mikko . viinamaki
About the Hippie comment, maybe, If Mr.Stallman got a decent haircut and a clean shave, Perhaps some one would taken him more seriously...I will support trisquel, but not FSE...unless their hippie leader changes to a more professional look. Haha, so silly! So shallow... More hippies, less

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread shiretoko
+1 Rms is has his own style and that's good! His eccentric appearance makes him more convincing.

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread shiretoko
I think almost everyone of us (except rms) makes little concessions on things which aren't good, but acceptable (think of the bios). DRM is bad, but it has many different levels. I personally don't refuse to watch or even buy a dvd although it might be encrypted. It takes away some freedom,

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-11 Thread Andrew Roffey
On 12/05/13 01:29, t3g wrote: I have no technical backing for this, but what if video on the server was encrypted with a public GnuPG key and when it was streamed to your web browser, a private key (for which you bought) unlocked it? Of course if we went down the private key route, it doesn't

[Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-10 Thread tegskywalker
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57583619-93 I signed the petition on the defectivebydesign page, but it seems like the W3C went ahead to add DRM to the HTML5 spec. It wasn't just the big media companies that support it and both Google and Microsoft helped create the technology. Not to

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-10 Thread nospamhere
Its not just FSF campaigns that get overthrown by those with power and influence who can therefore arrange to get what they want. This is just one more step in the end game, which is to turn the Internet into cable TV where every viewpoint you see will be carefully orchestrated. I will

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-10 Thread tegskywalker
The big influence here is Google, which has shown their dual nature. When it creates open source technology it is usually for their own personal benefit like Chromium for their proprietary Chrome and WebM to avoid licensing H264 on YouTube. They still include a H264 decoder with Chrome, so

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-10 Thread nospamhere
You are SOO preaching to the choir. Google pretty much told their whole story when they purchased Doubleclick.

Re: [Trisquel-users] W3C bullied to push DRM into HTML5. FSF campaign failed.

2013-05-10 Thread Andrew Roffey
A blog post by the W3C CEO: http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/05/perspectives_on_encrypted_medi.html?utm_source=dlvr.itutm_medium=statusnet If you have anything really worthwhile to post, please do! I posted two comments, but unfortunately one of them was rejected.