>We should question whether we want copyright at all (in the US, at least,
copyright law is constitutionally allowed not constitutionally required), and
what power(s) and what we want copyright law to say. People discover they can
use computers to share and remix copyrighted works. We find
You do have a fair point. Although my views align with SuperTramp's, I can
understand how those who are less inclined to completely trample over
copyright restrictions may not see that statement in such a positive light.
However, it seems questionable that the execution of JavaScript is
bill mate, I did not for it seems obvious to me, I mean, rejecting non-free
software has nothing to do with copyrighted music, or whatever non-free data
for that matter. I don't like my youtube-dl to download or execute any kind
of non-free software but I am very much ok with downloading
i only made one statement so saying "once again" is just pretentious - and as
you did not bother to educate me as to what exactly is "the point" i
allegedly missed, then one can only assume that you did not actually have one
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
care to try again?
> said without a hint of irony - how noble to be concerned about the
ethics of executing a little unlicensed javascript with the consent of it's
author - while downloading copyrighted music without the consent of it's
author - sorry, if i am not impressed :(
Once again you miss the
Thank you for linking that! Also, it would definitely be a good idea to
consolidate discussion. I'll sign up right now (I should have earlier, but...
better late than never, perhaps).
Thanks for the link- looks good!
As a side note, it may be worth mentioning that avideo will automatically
overwrite youtube-dl, so that any software which uses youtube-dl should
(minus error messages) automatically be compatible. That said, it doesn't
hurt to check- and it would
I'm posting this on behalf of the email's author, who appeared in #trisquel
on Freenode.
http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2017-07/msg3.html
There are also other interesting things in the thread.
> It's the only way to download most music videos (and probably movies). How
could you live without Guns 'n' Roses' "November Rain"?
says Soon.to.be.Free - without a hint of irony - how noble you are to
raise the ethical concerns of executing a little javascript that you do not
have
That looks fantastic! I agree with you, as cool as Youtube-DL is - the
terminal keeps a lot of people away from it.
>What has been the functionality lost while liberating it?
The main function lost has been the ability to download YouTube videos with
'encrypted signatures'. These videos have a scrambled (not even encrypted,
really) ID used in place of the 'real' video ID in their video page,
requiring a
Also, reminded me of this great movie, which I highly recommend in case you
missed it :)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097216/
Hehe, 'Do the right thing'
Their new motto is "Do the right thing."
Hello.
What has been the functionality lost while liberating it? Is Soon.to.be.Free
the same person as "Grace Past"?
Yes! Although it would be unreasonable to expect perfection in reducing JS
requirements, the amount some sites use is ridiculous. When entire sections
of the page are missing because a web developer somewhere decided on
compulsory accordion-boxes or some other 'design feature', or (even
noice! \o/
I see, so it's like future-proofing, in a way. And independence.
Many thanks for your explanations!
And long live AVideo! I'll try it soon enough.
Just been released! NotABug Repository
>with youtube-dl and vlc, what data am I giving up by using
>that tiny bit of JS used for making URLs readable?
What you've asked is an extremely good question, and the answer should be
made absolutely clear:
At present, the JavaScript engine does not implement *any* functionality
which
Not gonna happen any time soon, just like with PHP :/
I agree, and it's the best option.
Yet in this specific case, since it isn't available right now, no matter the
malware, getting that URL is safe enough (any potential malware remains
sandboxed).
But clearly, it's just a second-best fix.
Or when you don't have a better option at the moment. Technically it's not
running non-free software directly on my machine since it's in a sandbox.
Sure it doesn't strictly goes with full software freedom,
and I'm all for a better option.
But right now, this is a way to execute just a bit of
I work 15 year in web-development. Can say that JavaScript is a tool of evil,
but we cannot live without it. Really crappy language. Today JS community
wanted to fix it with kind of preprocessors and "compilers" thousands of
them. Everything is crap. Usually people who write those frameworks
I think it's better to forget virtualization whenever possible. We're
talking about potential end-users here. Virtualization of non-free
software usage is still non-free software usage. This kind of usage
should be reserved only for development purposes. :)
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Having a fully free version being put aside just for the sake of
understanding: with youtube-dl and vlc, what data am I giving up by using
that tiny bit of JS used for making URLs readable?
Can't that be sandboxed, so that any extra JS execution would remain harmless
and limited?
Like some
I just arrived from travelling. This is the type of news I was hoping for!
>Guns 'n' Roses
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gwXwln7R1Dc
\o/
GNU Savannah allows approved projects to have mailing lists in GNU
Savannah itself. :)
Also, just since I came across it reading the page for the workgroup you
linked, it's now confirmed that nonfree JS is being run. In attempting to
download the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SbUC-UaAxE (I have
absolutely no idea what this video involves, so it could be NSFW), avideo
Thank you! Also, just to note-
>why would we want to accept loading nonfree js with out
>preciousss ytdl
It's the only way to download most music videos (and probably movies). How
could you live without Guns 'n' Roses' "November Rain"?
Unfortunately, using a web extension wouldn't make replacing the JS any
easier. I've written a full-length summary at
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/liberated-version-youtube-dl-almost-here#comment-116286,
but in short- it's used to implement DRM on some videos (most don't have it,
but no
Not yet, unfortunately-I admittedly didn't even consider that in setting up
(I'm completely new to this whole thing). That said, I would like to.
Could anybody suggest a decent free (both senses) mailing
list/forum/something host?
There's actually more information that's arisen in regards to the issue. My
apologies for not adding it here earlier- I've mixed up what's been written
in e-mails and what's on the forum, it seems.
The issue, which forces YouTube-DL to execute Javascript in order to capture
full
soon to be free, do you have an IRC channel or some chatroom / mailing list
for your project? i'm interested
it makes sense that javascript would be executed, given how youtube works
it's possible in firefox to install greasemonkey and replace those scripts
anyway. perhaps replace the JS and make youtube-dl use that instead?
>although it's questionable whether it's particularly "good"...
It's surely free software so I guess someone knowledgeable here will help you
with it being this matter quite important I think, after all why would we
want to accept loading nonfree js with out preciousss ytdl? Or you can get
Here's the output from the terminal.
Unfortunatelly, mpv depends on youtube-dl to view videos in these free
software unfriendly websites.
I have created a topic in the gnu-linux-libre mailing list (Workgroup
for free system distributions, not just those running GNU Linux-libre)
about this issue
I don't know about mpv, but vlc relies on some scripts.
I mean it's perfect for Youtube, but many other websites work only with
Youtube-dl.
See here
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/how-i-browse-and-watch-youtube#comment-113840
Youtube can be streamed to mpv.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpv_(media_player)
mpv https://youtu.be/aFnNCwTkYo8
It's safe. Don't worry, it's Astrum's channel, a video on Jupiter.
@SuperTramp83: Thank you! I'll do my best, although it's questionable whether
it's particularly "good"...
@libreleah: Thank you for the information. I had heard of VLC, but never of
unplug. I'd (at Stallman's advice) been planning to start implementing a
browser plugin (after avideo was
you can also stream youtube in vlc
ctrl+n, paste youtube url
+1, mate. Keep it up!!
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