I don't think we need to be too concerned with older hardware. The 1st world
throws away more hardware than the third world knows what to do with.
Example (this may be a bit of an exaggeration above as it isn't third world
but I don't think my comment is far off the mark):
Freegeek is a
You hit it on the money. It isn't critical to have multiple editions to
fulfill the objectives of the distribution. Its that simple. Anything else is
just eating away at resources that don't exist.
It's not wrong to work on this. I'd just rather not see it eat into resources
that are
Chris, you're spot on.
Pass the suggestions on to Ruben. I don't go on #trisquel IRC much, and it's
been a long time since I've even used the system. But I do check on this
distro now and again to get the pulse of the fully-free distro movement.
Yesterday I tried to run the Trisquel 6 mimi live cd on my notebook.
Unfortunately because of not recognized hardware the desktop environment
didn't even start. (Trisquel 5.5 standard did run smoothly on this notebook.)
Later on I tried the mini distro on an other notebook im my office. Even
That is proprietary software, don't go there.
I think you might need a custom xorg.conf (man xorg.conf). Or you could try a
newer Linux-libre kernel from
http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/#downloads
On booting Trisquel, we have all the image of Trisquel (a Triskel on stars,
trees). But how can I change it?
Thanks.
Just to be clear: the whole Trisquel project (including every image and every
package in its repository) is FSF approved. The FSF image, i.e. the image
distributed by the FSF during the events it organizes, basically is the i18n
image + a few applications, in particular for artistic creation
The GNU/Linux timeline is made with gnuclad[1][2][3].
[1] http://futurist.se/gldt/
[2] http://futurist.se/gldt/category/gnuclad/
[3] https://launchpad.net/gnuclad
Probably only with non-free software, is better choose another website for
listen your music, like Jamendo or another with Icecast support. (VLC have
many radios, I listen everyday).
I presume you are talking about the plymouth theme background.
The simplest way to change the background of the plymouth theme is to replace
the /lib/plymouth/themes/trisquel-logo/background.png with you're preferred ;
you'll need to be root to do that; and to take effect you'll need to run
Chris, I'm not sure I get the gist of your argument. I'm using trisquel 6 net
installer (bare bones) and using synaptic to install the
programs/applications, surely this doesn't 'eat into resources'?.
Then of course there is the argument that this is 'free' and we can use it as
we wish ?
If I couldn't keep Mini as polished as Standard and I18N, I'd drop it.
+1!
Better to release something that works as well as it can, and looks
polished. First impressions, accurate or not, are lasting ones.
So if Linus Torvalds is the leader of the Linux kernel and the Foundation is
his primary income now so he can continue with the development, what does
your comment say about him and his intentions?
No. I wouldn't think so anyway. I haven't really touched the mini edition
although I'm pretty confident the core pieces are the same between releases.
At least anything to do with what hardware is supported. The pieces that are
left out or replaced with other more efficient components tend
Thanks!
We are moving forward with FSF certification too. Going to be handing over a
few of the cards to John or Josh @ the North East GNU/Linux Fest.
If you want one of our new USB N adapters send me an address I can send you
one as well (unless your going to the above or LibrePlanet at
Chris - thanks
Chris - thanks
If I remember I might. I'll probably talk to Rubén at LibrePlanet next week.
I believe he is going to that event again. Not sure who is paying although I
think it is being covered by someone. If not there are the Trisquel funds.
Its not my place to be directing the project although I don't
Well I for one use Trisquel Mini on my cheap underpowered netbook :) !
But I use the main edition on my workstation.
Maybe we could keep two editions, the difference being 3D graphics
support or not. Trisquel Mini would be the light, 2D edition, for
machines which lack either power or 3D
A custom xorg.conf might solve that but that's per hardware, so not possible
on a live cd. But a live USB would work. Even there it takes some manual
fiddling to get the persistence working...
Or a newer Linux-libre kernel.
This is the LTS release. Just stick to it and your netbook will be dead
before the next major release.
It just won't be an issue any more.
I have had some problems with some user breaking into my Ubuntu system
through ssh. I wonder if someone would take a look at my etc/ssh files on my
system and look at them and tell me if this has happened again. Also, I see
this information in my log files that is below. Do I need to
my Ubuntu system
You're on wrong forum buddy.
New release:
http://mediafire.com/?bv2i2bjd5v0by
This will bring support for the 3.5 series kernel. I would like to have some
feedback, so I know if it's working or not.
@Chris: I have some questions about the wireless USB dongle you mentioned:
Will the dongle you send me be just borrowed,
Who's with me?
Xfce can be configured to appear and function nearly identically to the
current DE, without much of a feature loss.
Since Xfce is (relatively) lighter than GNOME classic, it would make it
easier to justify a termination of the Mini edition. One edition of Trisquel
for all.
Everyone has his preferences about the DE. I like xfce, too, but it's easy to
install and difficult for developers to mantain many trisquel versions.
I think a GNOME and a LXDE official versions are enough, at least with
current development posibilities.
This is my Trisquel 6 with xfce,
XFCE and LXDE are good candidates for the next Trisquel de. Maybe
consort will be ready and worth a look, too?
XFCE? Eww
No, you've got me wrong.
I am recommending REPLACING the current DE with Xfce. If my idea were
implemented, that would make the current LXDE-based Trisquel Mini edition a
moot point (yes I know it's even lighter, but it just ain't worth it). So,
that's one LESS edition of Trisquel to
Also try to get the new drivers/firmware into Debian unstable and also make
contact with Canonical to get it into updated versions of their firmware. I'm
guessing this would be for 13.04 but maybe 12.04 and above is a possibility?
P.S. I have one of your testing N adapters and it has been
Give me some examples.
Is LXDE really mature enough to be the main Trisquel DE, though?
Like it or not, a genuinely lightweight desktop environment is generally a
recipe for a second-rate user experience. One uses LXDE because she must.
Xfce is more lightweight-ish, with most of the visual candy, features, and
xfce is a very good option for those who like a classic desktop, but I'm
afraid that many people here would prefer gnome-shell, unity or KDE.
And being trisquel oriented to a generic final user, I think one of the
great DE it's a better choice as default desktop.
GNOME 3 Shell requires 3D KMS on your computer to work properly. Not everyone
who runs Linux-libre has that, specifically not people with Radeon GPUs.
Ditto with Unity (and it's even heavier).
KDE is a classic desktop, but it's not a good option for more subtle reasons
(let's start with the
Personally i prefer Gnome shell. Its becoming an strong DE, easy, powerfull
and pretty. I think we have to move forward and continue evolving.
Andrew why not everyone can use that without going into cruddy fallback mode?
because 3D hardware acceleration is needed to run?
Any ways this is
Personally i prefer Gnome shell. Its becoming an strong DE, easy, powerfull
and pretty. I think we have to move forward and continue evolving.
I share your view. I use GNOME shell and like it more than anything else.
It's becoming quite mature now. It is the way forward. We need to ignore
About customization.. in my opinion is secondary, people should see it that
is better an stable and, as you said, mature DE. Any ways Gnome Developers
they receive lot of coments about that and i think they do something after
deliber a very nice DE.
If im not wrong exist a package named
I agree, customization is secondary to a good out-of-the-box user experience
for the largest number of users. Not all of us are named Linus Torvalds (he
currently uses Xfce, btw). I use GNOME 3 with a fairy small number of
extensions ... I have little need to customize it, because it is
The main benefit of Consort (fork of GNOME Fallback) over MATE (fork or GNOME
2) is that it isn't forking everything; it's supposedly going to stay in sync
with GNOME 3 while adding in things that were in GNOME 2. Also, MATE still
uses GTK 2, Consort will use GTK 3 (as GNOME 3 does).
By fork of GNOME Fallback, are you referring to Consort? I haven't
yet tried it. Have a look at http://solusos.com; I think they have an
Alpha ready for testing?
My point is that a lot of people would prefer to use GNOME Shell if they can.
That means some users boot into the classic desktop experience based on
Fallback, and others opt into the fairly different GNOME Shell.
Maybe that's a feature and not a problem. I hope that switching to GNOME
Yesterday I wrote that Xfce didn't have desktop documentation, but it turns
out I was wrong. Xfce /does/ have offline documentation.
I'm not going to say yeah, let's switch to Xfce straight away because maybe
there's features in GNOME that maybe other people use that Xfce doesn't have,
and
The default Xfce theme can be changed to look _a lot_ like GNOME (if that's
the reason for the bad reaction).
A lot of Xfce themes are GTK+2-only, so they make GNOME 3 apps look ugly. But
there's a theme called Clearlooks-Phenix that Xfce users can use, and it
includes styles for both
Yeah, having a good calendar functionality is important.
Recently, Xfce has switched to mainly online documentation, in a wiki format.
I would argue that this is the way of the future: collaborative online
documentation. Should we be assuming the possibility that the user doesn't
have an
Off the top of my head I know at least a few people who don't stay connected
to the internet 24/7. And wi-fi firmware support in Trisquel isn't great
either.
I did some more searching around on their lists and found these:
http://blog.xfce.org/2012/01/documentation-wiki/
Whatever we do, I think it'd be better to keep the long-standing Trisquel
look (which is largely borrowed from Elementary), or at least a facsimile of
it.
Clearlooks-Phenix looks WAY too vanilla.
Trisquel is commited to FSF's Guidelines for Free System Distributions:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html
Nobody here will help you with non-free software. You could try a newer
Linux-libre kernel, as lembas suggested; I suggest
I know it was broken in 5.5, but can Unity be installed in 6 and does it show
up in the login screen?
Le 2013-03-14 21:57, tegskywal...@hotmail.com a écrit :
I know it was broken in 5.5, but can Unity be installed in 6 and does
it show up in the login screen?
What do you mean by it was broken in 5.5? I had Brigantia w/ Unity
running fine on my netbook, with lightdm as the login screen, before I
Of course! :-) I only mentioned Clealooks-Phenix as an example of how Xfce
can be made to look like a GNOME theme.
No complaints with Xfce and can not live without the shiki-theme.
You just need to realize this is Trisquel, not Ubuntu ;-)
About the SSH breakage, you probably just need to change your user password,
don't you?
Yeah, Shiki looks very nice.
As for 1 it is yours. The dongles cost us less in quantity than shipping
likely will. As for 2 this is the final version. No technical or visual
changes will be made. We are still waiting on some proper packaging material
with our logo on it. Nothing other than this of the physical device
While a USB N chipset was a major issue until recently there are other
products that are coming to the penguin catalog. I've finally gotten the USB
TV tuner issue figured out and can confirm that there will be something
available shortly. It'll support both the ATSC standard in the United
It wasn't broken in 5.5; I was able to run it just fine, though I couldn't
for the life of me figure out how to get the window menus on the panel
(something I don't care about, though, because I don't like Unity).
The most recent version of exaile is 3.3.1, but the version Trisquel 6.0
comes with is 0.3.2.2. I greatly prefer it to rhythmbox, but this version is
a little glitchy for me. I'm aware this is probably a stupid question, but I
can't figure out how to update it.
I use pst-tree, a LaTeX package based upon PStricks. Very convenient. You can
find on the Web beautiful trees made with it (not in the official
documentation I pointed too).
You can get the more recent version by grabbing the PPA from LaunchPad here:
https://launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/+archive/ppa
Instructions for installing it are on the same web page, under 'Adding this
PPA to your system'
Worked, thank you! Just out of curiosity, why doesn't Trisquel's updater
include this?
From PC World!
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2030851/for-a-fully-free-desktop-os-try-trisquel-gnu-linux-6-0.html
PPAs are something unique to Ubuntu. They're usually more recent versions of
software than is in the repository for that release of Ubuntu (or a
derivative). The other use is to allow a greater variety of software to be
installed than what is packaged in Ubuntu.
Ubuntu still has to
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