Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread nicholaz
Agreed Calm, if skype was it's own thing instead of being owed for one of  
those two companies it would be great, open source would be even better :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread calmstorm

Skype was better off in googles hands than microsoft's...

Oh my god, did I just say that?

wow...

Imagine that.

That is truly frightening. To think that anything can be more terrifying than  
google. :(


Re: [Trisquel-users] libre network switch?

2016-12-12 Thread jason
I have seen nothing, but this is probably not the best thread to discuss the  
new kernel release. :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] What modern hardware can I use?

2016-12-12 Thread jason
Those options are the closest you're going to come at present. At this point  
it's necessary to choose between technical superiority and freedom. It's nice  
when those two things go together. Sometimes they do. Not always, and not in  
this case. The question becomes: Which side will you choose?


Re: [Trisquel-users] libre network switch?

2016-12-12 Thread calmstorm

Is linux libre 4.9 stable?

some odd error occurs with dmar. on trisquel 7. Let me know if you have seen  
it.


Re: [Trisquel-users] What modern hardware can I use?

2016-12-12 Thread calmstorm
To be honest, The talos workstation idea was doomed I Feel like for one  
important reason.


if it wasn't a desktop, I believe they may have had a chance. ;)

But really... who wants something that you cannot bring with you for prices  
that are 10x higher than eoma68.


Which bare in mind, is a laptop at the very least even if it is 10x slower.

Portability greatly trumps the speed difference for me at least.


Re: [Trisquel-users] What modern hardware can I use?

2016-12-12 Thread onpon4
Oh, also, regarding schematics, my understanding is all the schematics are  
available. I'm not familiar with this stuff, but I think this would be the  
schematics for the A20 card (it's an upgraded version of the A10 card):


http://git.rhombus-tech.net/?p=eoma.git;a=tree;f=pcb/allwinner_a10/pcmcia;h=0d3bfa301c76337ada168790da788c56aa3d4ad5;hb=HEAD

Otherwise, I'm sure someone more knowledgeable can point you in the right  
direction.


Re: [Trisquel-users] pip installer

2016-12-12 Thread greatgnu
Only help I can get you is translations. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] What modern hardware can I use?

2016-12-12 Thread mkl80

I liked that video. Thanks and I agree what RMS said on it. Very true.
We will be "la resistence" as back on the ww2.


Re: [Trisquel-users] What modern hardware can I use?

2016-12-12 Thread onpon4
You're not going to find anything that's new, freedom-respecting, and has a  
modern speed. The EOMA68-A20 card is really the best you can do right now.  
For using it as a desktop computer, it will only set you back $120, so it's  
perfectly affordable, and it's upgradeable (there are already faster computer  
cards in the works, so I guess we'll probably see those some time in the next  
couple of years). Upgrades are cheap since you can keep everything else, just  
swap out the cards.


> but still not released and not tested.

This isn't quite true. The final product hasn't been manufactured yet, but  
the hardware has undergone quite a bit of testing. You can even see videos of  
the A20 card running various distros. The delivery time is supposed to be  
only in a few months, so that's not much of a wait.


Re: [Trisquel-users] pip installer

2016-12-12 Thread mtsio
I made a project in gitlab  
(https://devel.trisquel.info/mixalis/checkpackage). Help is needed.


Re: [Trisquel-users] What modern hardware can I use?

2016-12-12 Thread n3trunn3r
Thanks for the answers but all these products are not what I had in mind. Let  
me be clearer:

I want an new mother board that can be used by normal people. For desktops.

The Asus KGPE-D16 is a server-board from 2010, it is neither new nor has it a  
reasonably price for normal desktop consumers.

500 $ on Amazon without the CPU, that costs the same.
Tough, the hardware you get it is worth to considerate. You could have an  
Uber-desktop system.
It would be cool if there was a micro-ITX or something so you could build a  
laptop.


Talos Secure Workstation, 3700 $ and 7100 $ for the desktop edition... Power8  
and symmetric multiprocessors are though surely nice.
But this price is just totally unrealistic for end users right now. 17600 $  
for the complete workstation.
I really hope tough they will get cheaper in the future and even make  
desktops.


Eoma68, is a wonderful idea, but still not released and not tested. What  
bothers me is that I can't find any schematics. Hope they will release the  
card for a reasonable price too.

Anyway I'm looking forward to this.


So to give a short answer:
There are no modern motherboard at all, that have a reasonable price,  
practical use and respects your freedom.


Tell me when I'm wrong.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Updating to Trisquel 8.0 without reinstalling…

2016-12-12 Thread veganix
You can also dist-upgrade to Flidas - but please ONLY try this on a spare  
partition or machine, as lots of things will be unstable or broken. I started  
with Belenos Mini, changed sources.list to flidas and did a dist-upgrade.  
After reboot i had no graphical login and was not able to run startx. There  
was no lightdm in the flidas repo at the time, so i temporarily added ubuntu  
xenial main/universe to sources.list and pulled lightdm from there. I also  
installed Mate, but had to pull yelp and mate-user-guide from ubuntu. After  
this, i removed the ubuntu repo. At the moment apt-get and Synaptic are  
giving various errors, but are mostly working. A lot of my usual software  
choices are still missing, but the Mate desktop is working fine. There is no  
Abrowser or IceCat yet, so i'm posting this from QupZilla:) You can of course  
also get IceCat from http://jenkins.trisquel.info/ or  
http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/. Happy hacking!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Accessories

2016-12-12 Thread greatgnu

>ClamAV

What for?


[Trisquel-users] O.S. Trisquel Host Server

2016-12-12 Thread julian

Hi!

I've a question, but I don't know how I can find it. What is the OS has  
Trisquel for the system packaging and web?


Thank you!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Just a friendly reminder that Trisquel 7.0 is not outdated

2016-12-12 Thread 9bi
At least the browser in Debian works with languagepod101 and I can use it to  
order a pizza.
I care more about Dragora 3 than Trisquel8, why: It is more Unixy and does  
without systemd.


Don't blame the users. We are not stupid. You can not serve two masters. RMS  
belongs in the same rubbish bin as ESR.


The FSF supports Copyright and Capitalism, and blames us for giving up on  
nicely reforming it.
The future is either Socialism or Barbarism. There is no bloodless road  
ahead.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Resolution stuck at 1400 x 1050 after updates

2016-12-12 Thread jason
Hello PeaveGuy. It would be great if you could please answer my earlier  
question:  
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/resolution-stuck-1400-x-1050-after-updates#comment-106931


I am still stuck wondering why you are trying to install packages that start  
with the name linux-libre64...


These are the old meta packages and the current website makes no mention of  
them. Where are you finding instructions to install packages with that name?  
Please stick to those called out at https://jxself.org/linux-libre/ okay?


Hopefully you will reply with where you are seeing to do that.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread greatgnu

welcome!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread nicholaz

Thanks Calm, I hope to see more people putting their thoughts in as well.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Howto reactivate laptop's NIC (it worked fine and still works under Parabola)

2016-12-12 Thread riveravaldezmail
For the wireless connection, yes, that's (apparently) the only solution,  
specially because the libre-kernel refuse to load privative  
drivers/firmware/stuff.
But the main problem in my case was that the network card (by cable) stopped  
working.
Now it has started to work again, after change the kernel to 4.8, but appart  
from some other issues, I still have no idea why it stopped to work in the  
first place.

Thanks a lot.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools

2016-12-12 Thread lcerf
By default, 'shred' actually write pseudo-random data.  'info shred' warns  
about using only zeros:


   To be on the safe side, use at least one pass that overwrites using  
pseudo-random data.  I.e., don't be tempted to use `-n0 --zero', in case some  
disk controller optimizes the process of writing blocks of all zeros, and  
thereby does not clear all bytes in a block.  Some SSDs may do just that.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Howto reactivate laptop's NIC (it worked fine and still works under Parabola)

2016-12-12 Thread riveravaldezmail
Well, in a big way, you were absolutelly right. Effectively, with the change  
of kernel 4.1 → 4.8, or to be more precise,


# uname -a
Linux user 4.8.12-gnu #1 SMP Fri Dec 2 16:56:47 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64  
GNU/Linux


, the network card started to work again. (I'm unable to put in words the  
level of happiness that moment give to me, and there's an equal level of  
thankfulness from me to you. :) ) Thanks for the patience and persistance.


Now, new issues have arisen:

1) The network manager is a lot slower than before, like if it were doing a  
lot of stuff any time it tries (and finally achieve) to connect. But that's  
not important, I'm just mentioning it as a symptom for the sake of  
description.


2) When I connect to my other machine via sshfs, the connection goes without  
issues. But the speed of transmission is absolutely ludicrous. A 1GB file  
takes like an hour to get copied from one disk (in this machine) to another  
(in the other pc). This is specially relevant because I need to make a backup  
of the info in this laptop, and I don't have a removable disk to move  
hundreds of GBs. So, I really need the LAN to work normally. What can I do to  
help you people have an idea for diagnostic this issue?


3) The resources monitor in the bottom panel shows correctly the CPU work,  
but fails completelly in show the RAM in use. Any clue on that?


4) Is there a way to be sure to receive the updates for this version of the  
libre-kernel?


I'll paste down the current situation. Thanks *a lot* (really)! Let me know  
about any info I can give to better understand this issues, specially number  
2, that's the really essential.



root@user:~# rfkill list
0: hci0: Bluetooth
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: no

root@user:~# ifconfig -a
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  direcciónHW 14:fe:b5:b8:11:13
  Direc. inet:10.0.0.3  Difus.:10.0.0.255  Másc:255.255.255.0
  Dirección inet6: fe80::16fe:b5ff:feb8:1113/64 Alcance:Enlace
  ACTIVO DIFUSIÓN FUNCIONANDO MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Métrica:1
  Paquetes RX:2464135 errores:0 perdidos:744 overruns:0 frame:0
  Paquetes TX:1462613 errores:44 perdidos:735 overruns:0 carrier:0
  colisiones:0 long.colaTX:1000
  Bytes RX:2608261921 (2.6 GB)  TX bytes:1059907026 (1.0 GB)

loLink encap:Bucle local
  Direc. inet:127.0.0.1  Másc:255.0.0.0
  Dirección inet6: ::1/128 Alcance:Anfitrión
  ACTIVO BUCLE FUNCIONANDO  MTU:65536  Métrica:1
  Paquetes RX:30188 errores:0 perdidos:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  Paquetes TX:30188 errores:0 perdidos:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  colisiones:0 long.colaTX:1
  Bytes RX:2856779 (2.8 MB)  TX bytes:2856779 (2.8 MB)

virbr0Link encap:Ethernet  direcciónHW 6a:47:60:50:4b:3e
  Direc. inet:192.168.122.1  Difus.:192.168.122.255   
Másc:255.255.255.0

  ACTIVO DIFUSIÓN MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Métrica:1
  Paquetes RX:0 errores:0 perdidos:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  Paquetes TX:0 errores:0 perdidos:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  colisiones:0 long.colaTX:1000
  Bytes RX:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

root@user:~# nm-tool

NetworkManager Tool

State: connected (global)

- Device: eth0  [Conexión cableada 1]  
-

  Type:  Wired
  Driver:r8169
  State: connected
  Default:   yes
  HW Address:14:FE:B5:B8:11:13

  Capabilities:
Carrier Detect:  yes
Speed:   100 Mb/s

  Wired Properties
Carrier: on

  IPv4 Settings:
Address: 10.0.0.3
Prefix:  24 (255.255.255.0)
Gateway: 10.0.0.2

DNS: 10.0.0.2



Re: [Trisquel-users] First development alpha iso images of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas"

2016-12-12 Thread taiji_tao

Radeon support as described above!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread noordinaryspider

Welcome here!

Virtualbox was free software when Trisquel 6.0 was new and shiny but is not  
available on Trisquel 7.0 for good reasons.


Dual booting is a much bigger hassle than using a virtual machine. You can  
try Gnome Boxes or just the lazy man's command line route:


[quote]qemu-img create -f qcow2 trisquel.img 100g

In the directory where you made your image put your iso and:

sudo kvm -m 1024 -cdrom trisquel_7.0_amd64.iso -boot d trisquel.img

To start the image after install do:

sudo kvm -m 1024 trisquel.img

-m is the amount of memory you want to allocate. 512 is probably enough.

Do "-soundhw all" before the path to the image and that should cover it ;)

just type "sudo kvm -m 1024 -cdrom trisquel_7.0_amd64.iso -boot d" to boot a  
live CD


for newer .iso, need argument -show-cursor: sudo kvm -m 1024 -cdrom  
trisquel_7.0_amd64.iso -show-cursor -boot d trisquel.img[/quote]


which works for me.

You could install to your flash drive instead of using it like a live CD, but  
it will be slow. A better solution you might not be aware of is how easy it  
is to install Trisquel to an external USB hard drive (like a Western Digital  
Passport) and boot to that from whichever computer is available, do your  
work, Shut down, unplug the external drive and put it in your pocket, thank  
your friend or family member, and give them back their windows machine in the  
same condition it was when you borrowed it.


For that matter, if you're a laptop dude, you may just need a 2.5" hard  
drive, a spare caddy (under $5 on eBay for my Thinkpads), and a screwdriver.



HTH


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread nicholaz

Onpon are you referring to Ring? I actually did not realize that

Huang thank you for the kind words, I've been considering dual booting and  
using trisquel for a semester in college (which lasts approximately 5 months)  
then reviewing trisquel after and deciding on whether to cut the cord on  
Window$ and install another 100% free Linux distro like Parabola in it's  
place or just use trisquel.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread taiji_tao
Nickman, first you should be commended for your interest in Free/Libre  
software and the willingness to place that interest on the table so to speak  
by actually using a distro that is committed to those freedoms.  8)


As already mentioned, virtualization is a great option, although some people  
feel more comfortable dual booting in the beginning.  Personally, the only  
way I use Windows (for one tax program that does not have a GNU version yet),  
is through virtual manager/kvm (virt-manager).  I was a long time user of  
virtualbox, but when they started adding non free things to it, I began to  
explore other options.


Regarding GNU/Linux Mint, their security policy regarding updates is quite  
lacking, so I would not recommend it unless via LiveCD or virtual machine.   
thats my two cents.  


Re: [Trisquel-users] What modern hardware can I use?

2016-12-12 Thread jason
The Asus KGPE-D16 - https://libreboot.org/docs/hcl/kgpe-d16.html) is perhaps  
what you want. Talos is also very powerful but expensive -  
https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation


Otherwise you are correctly assessing the situation: Our options are very  
limited. The older hardware will probably become harder to get as time goes  
on. I am reminded of http://files.jxself.org/build.ogv


[Trisquel-users] Im back ;)

2016-12-12 Thread taiji_tao
Hello allafter over a year away from the forum/distro, I am back to using  
Trisquel.  Look forward to v.8, however, v7 is still working well.


Cheers.


[Trisquel-users] libre network switch?

2016-12-12 Thread elayer12

Hello,

i am thinking about buying a Switch with VLAN capability.

It is hard to observe for me, how much proprietary stuff comes with the  
products i found.


Are there any recommendations concerning freedom?

Thanks in Advice!

Greetings,
elayer


Re: [Trisquel-users] O.S. Trisquel Host Server

2016-12-12 Thread jason

Trisquel uses Trisquel of course.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Tox chat ? can you install on trisquel?

2016-12-12 Thread silver
Do you know any  similar p2p encrypted chat option that is available on  
trisquel repository?

Thank you


Re: [Trisquel-users] The worst thing happened on my laptop. DRM.

2016-12-12 Thread calmstorm

You are hilarious, thanks for cheering me up with your crazy trolling.

I needed that.


Re: [Trisquel-users] pip installer

2016-12-12 Thread onpon4
You should talk to PyPI's developers about implementing this as a warning  
(not as a refusal to download packages). You might also want to check for  
different classes of licenses.


But there are some parts of your script that don't make sense:

1. "version = info.keys()[0]": What "info.keys()[0]" points to is undefined.  
"info" is a dictionary, and dictionaries are unordered. If you're trying to  
find the most recent version, you need to convert the keys to a list and sort  
it appropriately. As it is, you're just grabbing an arbitrary version.


2. You're only looking at the "License" field, which I don't tend to use  
because the license I'm using is a trove classifier.


3. Your script completely ignores the license field, because it always  
overwrites it with "gpl version 3". So it's always going to detect any  
package as free.


4. Your list of "free licenses" includes things that are not licenses at all,  
like "general public", and licenses which may or may not be libre, like  
"artistic". Since any arbitrary text can be typed in the license field, you  
ought to be very strict with what strings you accept. The warning can then  
display this license so that the user can personally check it.


By the way, while you should use trove classifiers, I would highly recommend  
against just assuming that any package with the "OSI Approved" or "DFSG  
Approved" classifier is libre, partly because the OSI has approved some  
proprietary licenses and partly because this isn't a declaration of a  
license, just a statement of fact which may or may not be true.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Howto reactivate laptop's NIC (it worked fine and still works under Parabola)

2016-12-12 Thread GNUtoo
> root@user:/home/user# ifconfig eth0 up && ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.3 netmask  
255.255.255.0 && [...]

[...]
> root@user:/home/user# ifconfig -a
> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet direcciónHW 14:fe:b5:b8:11:13
> Direc. inet:10.0.0.3 Difus.:10.0.0.255 Másc:255.255.255.0
> ACTIVO DIFUSIÓN MULTICAST MTU:1500 Métrica:1
> Paquetes RX:0 errores:0 perdidos:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> Paquetes TX:0 errores:0 perdidos:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> colisiones:0 long.colaTX:1000
> Bytes RX:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
Here "FUNCIONANDO" is absent from ifconfig, this means that you have no  
carrier.


The content below also confirms it:
> - Device: eth0 [...]
[...]
> Carrier Detect: yes
[...]
> Carrier: off

No carrier means that your laptop doesn't see the network cable as connected  
to another machine on the other side.


To get an ethernet carrier signal you need:
- Your laptop's ethernet interface being up (ifconfig eth0 up)
- The computer's ethernet interface on the other side being up (ifconfig eth0  
up)

  OR:
  A switch on the other side that is powered on.

Try that:
(1) Boot the machine under parabola and get the network with:
> ifconfig eth0 up && ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 &&  
ping -c4 10.0.0.2

This will validate that the hardware setup works.
(2) Try again under Trisquel with the exact same command:
> ifconfig eth0 up && ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 &&  
ping -c4 10.0.0.2
(3) If that fails, try to use the network manager GUI instead to do the same  
thing.
Network manager tend to claim the interface and to not let you use  
ifconfig on the command

line interface.
There are ways to make sure it doesn't handle your network card, but it  
might not be that

easy to configure.

Also note that I use parabola, and due to some technical issue, my Trisquel  
vms are gone.

I have to reinstall them but it's not my priority right now.

Denis.


Re: [Trisquel-users] What modern hardware can I use?

2016-12-12 Thread calmstorm

Purism is about as free as well, ubuntu. so yeah... don't trust them.

Eoma68 is one thought, but I wish they had a smaller size like 13 inches or  
12 inches or 10 or 11 inches


but 13 or 12 is optimal.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Best Choice for a Single Board Computer (Today)

2016-12-12 Thread lilos1

Try this https://www.armbian.com/orange-pi-plus-2/

Sd card is extreame slow for web.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread nicholaz
I'm about to go into my 2nd year of college, I'm want to work on a cruise  
ship after I'm done


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread onpon4
As far as I understand, Skype's proprietary protocol has not been  
reverse-engineered, so it is not possible to chat through that network  
without Skype. You'll have to use an alternative network (e.g. XMPP).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread onpon4
Just flash drives. Actually, any flash media (also including SD cards, for  
example, and even to a lesser extent most SSDs). What Magic Banana refers to  
is that any given bit on flash media can only be changed so much before it  
becomes useless, so writing to flash media effectively brings it toward the  
end of its life. Constant writes happening all the time are the easiest way  
to make this happen quickly. Cheap flash drives are also more likely to not  
be designed very well with regard to this, since they're used just to  
transfer files, but I don't know that this actually happens in practice.


It's OK to put an OS on flash media (for small portable devices, this is even  
necessary), but you need to be aware of this limitation and should do some  
things to reduce the amount of writes that happen. In particular, you should  
not use a file system with journaling (use ext2 instead), and ideally you  
should disable logging as well. You also ought to not use swap, but if you do  
use swap, you should have a swap file that you turn on only when you need it  
(e.g. to hibernate).


Re: [Trisquel-users] libre network switch?

2016-12-12 Thread jason

Get something that runs librecmc: https://librecmc.org/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread nicholaz
Ah okay, I never knew that onpon about constant writing making a flash drive  
useless, I'm aware that it does have limits, which is why I won't consider  
exploring that option further


[Trisquel-users] Must useful way to submit Flidas bug reports?

2016-12-12 Thread mountainmoksha

Hi, All.

I ran Flidas alpha off a usb stick today, and installed and ran my primary  
project for work (a solar physics model).


It went very well.

I did find what I suspect are a couple of bugs:

GRUB splash screen says 7.0, not 8.0
no "zip" or "unzip" available in repos
evince not installable due to unresolved dependencies
okular not installable due to unresolved dependencies
no imagemagick or graphicsmagick "display" installable from the repositories
The "find software" helper (say, when you double-click on a pdf) seems to do  
nothing.


A cursory search at https://trisquel.info/en/project/issues didn't seem to  
turn up anything related to these.  It seems that if I file these I'd want to  
very clearly identify them to the development team as relating to flidas.


Thanks in advance to anyone who might know what would be most beneficial to  
the development team.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Just a friendly reminder that Trisquel 7.0 is not outdated

2016-12-12 Thread pascal . leusink

Hi Trisquel.

To wake you up from your silly dreams: Microsoft Windows is still the way to  
go for real programmers to get things done. Windows might get badder and  
badder, but that is an entirely different matter that doesn't need  
discussion.


Sorry to disturb you, but you have to remember that Trisquel is only a silly  
toy project suited for girls.
And btw, Trisquel 7 is not outdated. You can watch Youtube on it. Word  
processor, webbrowser, media player, changable icons. All a girl needs. And  
my compliments, a girl was able to install Trisquel herself from an USB key  
and kill her Windows without my help or suggestion. Better than Slack.


Best,
the hardcore cyberneticist.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread nicholaz
 I'll get in touch with him about that, I want to get a part time job as well  
(which hopefully does not spread me too thin) to help pay for college


Re: [Trisquel-users] O.S. Trisquel Host Server

2016-12-12 Thread julian

Thank you jxself!!

I asked this, because in spanish forum I defended the real free software.  
https://trisquel.info/es/forum/no-debian-no-es-una-distribuci%C3%B3n-libre#comment-107154


I said that the libre software is a ethical question, not a practical, so  
Debian is not a libre distro. I've been fear that Trisquel use Debian in  
their host web or repos.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Im back ;)

2016-12-12 Thread mkl80

welcome once again!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread taiji_tao

;)

I know a few people that work on cruise ships (Disney and Norwegian) and they  
like it alot.


What ever distro you decide to use (nod towards Trisquel), perhaps you could  
volunteer some time with Business Admin. tasks as well.  I'm sure Ruben would  
appreciate it.   


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hexoshi - New Metroid-like game I'm developing is being crowdfunded

2016-12-12 Thread onpon4

I've added an "Ideas" page to the Hexoshi website:

https://www.crowdsupply.com/onpon4/hexoshi/updates/update7
https://hexoshi.gitlab.io/ideas.html


Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools

2016-12-12 Thread mohammadi

I added your suggestions to the wiki.


Re: [Trisquel-users] pip installer

2016-12-12 Thread mtsio
>You should talk to pip's developers about implementing this as a warning  
(not as a refusal to download packages).


In trisquel there is an issue for that https://trisquel.info/en/issues/3741.  
Since trisquel has only free software it shouldn't be possible to install  
from pip nonfree.


> You might also want to check for different classes of licenses.
Do you mean other that OSI Approved?

Sorry this attachment has the wrong file.

1. info has one value, the latest version.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The worst thing happened on my laptop. DRM.

2016-12-12 Thread calmstorm

I second that ;)


Re: [Trisquel-users] What modern hardware can I use?

2016-12-12 Thread onpon4
I would definitely recommend supporting EOMA. You can still pre-order from  
the second batch on the CrowdSupply page:


https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

It's not perfect, but I think these standards are the future of our  
computing.


Re: [Trisquel-users] O.S. Trisquel Host Server

2016-12-12 Thread greatgnu
Let me make it clear for you, Lightmoon, it seems you don't understand it in  
Spanish so maybe you'll get it if I express myself in a language I am much  
better with.


A libre distro is a distro that after you have installed it has 0 proprietary  
software, mkkkay? It means that it is a distro that by default is 100% libre.  
It means deblobbed kernel + a repository of only free software. It means,  
say, Fedora with the libre kernel. Or Gentoo if you install it properly so  
that you get only free software in the end.


By default both Trisquello and Debiannino are libre distros.

Now, you can install whatever proprietary garbage on any such distro and make  
it non libre (non 100% libre) but that is your decision and you are free to  
not be free if you wish. And you must, in my humble opinion, be so.



You can install the proprietary malware "skype" both on Trisquel and Debian,  
for instance, and I guarantee you that he who wants to install such garbage  
**will** eventually install it, no matter the distro he uses.


See, if you think about it, a fundamental truth may suddenly be revealed to  
you, that is:
you can **not** force people to be free, freedom does **not** come from the  
outside, it never did, it never will. Freedom comes from the inside and what  
makes a free software enthusiast such, is the decision, the strong will to  
never, ever, for no reason, install any proprietary software on his box.
When you understand this self-evident truth you also understand that there is  
absolutely no difference at all (morally and practically - it seems you like  
a lot this distinction) between any distro whatsoever that **by default**  
contains only free software.


The user who really made "the strong decision" will check the license 4 times  
before installing anything.


Lightmoon, what if I told you the very same San IGNUcius used not long ago  
Debian, as mentioned by himself in a letter to the Ututo developers? Would  
that shock you?




Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread nicholaz
Thanks for clarifying Magic, would a external hard drive be killed if I did  
that or just flash drives? Flash drives are now off the table, it's either  
dual boot, vm, external hard drive or pre installed


Re: [Trisquel-users] pip installer

2016-12-12 Thread jorgesumle

Hi, everyone

We also had a discussion in the Spanish forum about that issue  
(https://trisquel.info/en/forum/propuesta-acerca-de-pypi). There is already  
program that checks PyPI license information in Python  called pypi-cli. You  
can install it with pip.

sudo pip install pypi-cli

Apart from what mentioned onpon4, we should also take into account that a  
free package may have non-free dependencies. Also, please use Python 3 for  
new projects. You can for the license names Check this mixalis_t:  
https://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=list_classifiers


> You should talk to pip's developers about implementing this as a warning

I agree, that would be a great improvement.

If that's not possible we could make a simple fork of pip that checks the  
license before installing any program to only let install free programs.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread taiji_tao
Parabola is nice, just keep in mind that rolling release requires attention  
and care with regards to updatesalways read the changelog on website  
(latest news section) first or you will be bitten sooner or later.  I've been  
there and done that, bleeding edge is fun but as you get older LTS type  
distros become more appealing.  lol


What year are you in for college?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Im back ;)

2016-12-12 Thread noordinaryspider

Good to see you back. You have been missed.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread onpon4

> Onpon are you referring to Ring?

No, XMPP is an IM protocol that Pidgin, Jitsi, and several others support,  
but not Ring. Ring is another perfectly valid option, though (I haven't tried  
it).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread onpon4
Right, when you reach that limit, the device can't be used anymore, or at  
least can't be written to anymore. That's what I was referring to.


[Trisquel-users] What modern hardware can I use?

2016-12-12 Thread n3trunn3r
I find it terribly difficult to find a new motherboard that supports  
Libreboot or even coreboot and does not include Intel ME or AMD PSP.
Sure I can buy old hardware but this is really not the point. (And even  
finding old hardware has become hard)


Is there no open-source Chipset/Motherboard hardware? And someone that  
manufactures it?
I Found some motherboards based on VIA chip-set but they are always out of  
stock ore used.


The only thing I found was the Novena laptop project. But the motherboard  
alone costs 500$ (why?). Any other alternatives?


Apparently I can't even use:
Raspberry Pi, Purism, or buy from thinkpenguin.com anymore. And all the other  
so called "free" projects that have become a farce.


This is really frustrating and really really scary.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread nicholaz
Thanks for the welcome SuperTramp and Heather, I'll be thinking about all  
these suggestions, any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Just a friendly reminder that Trisquel 7.0 is not outdated

2016-12-12 Thread onpon4
Parabola is rolling release, so it's very bleeding edge. This is not  
necessarily a good thing, though; it means that regressions are common, so  
it's not a very beginner-friendly distro.


Re: [Trisquel-users] pip installer

2016-12-12 Thread jorgesumle
It works fine with most licenses. Reported the bug:  
https://github.com/sloria/pypi-cli/issues/14


In case you're wondering, youtube-dl is in the public domain.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread nicholaz
I actually have a USB flash drive that I got from my college. Would I put the  
files for trisquel onto the USB and then boot it up from the usb onto my  
parents laptop or would it work differently than if I created a USB  
installer?


I also have an old Toshiba laptop which I will put the specs up on a  
different post once my father gets back from work, he uses the laptop, but  
unfortunately he won't be back for a week, since he works in a different  
state.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Just a friendly reminder that Trisquel 7.0 is not outdated

2016-12-12 Thread mkl80
Everyone talks about parabola. It is that so ahead of Trisquel? If it's free  
soft I think I would give it a try in one of my machines, I guess.

Seriously Parabola is that so much better than Trisquel?



[Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread nicholaz
Hello everyone I'm Nickman but you guys can call me Nick, this is my first  
post on the forum


I had heard of the FSF and free software and the first distro I was  
considering downloading was Linux Mint, followed by JULinux.


I've looked into all the distros on the FSF site and I think Trisquel is the  
best out of all of them, and I can actually find info on this site, the other  
distros either are not active, or I can't really navigate their websites the  
exceptions are probably Parabola and Dynebolic.


I'm big on privacy and finding distros that are 100% free and I'm very  
excited to learn more about all of them and how I could help.


I'm a young man in college majoring in Business Administration.

Once I get a new computer I plan on downloading Trisquel as a dual boot along  
with Window$ but I'm definitely considering buying a computer from  
thinkpenguin through the link on the site instead to help you guys out.


This will actually be my first time ever trying Linux so if you all were in  
my shoes what would you do dual boot or buy it pre-installed?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Tox chat ? can you install on trisquel?

2016-12-12 Thread greatgnu
Tox is free software. I avoided it for a long time becuase alpha. I installed  
and tried quite recently utox and it works very good.


>do you think tox will be added to trisquel repositories soon

No. Alpha software is too unstable, too prone to bugs and security issues to  
be included in the repository of any decent GNU distro AFAIK.


Give it 2 or 3 years. Trisquel 9 will have it probably.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Hexoshi - New Metroid-like game I'm developing is being crowdfunded

2016-12-12 Thread onpon4

New update:

https://www.crowdsupply.com/onpon4/hexoshi/updates/update6


Re: [Trisquel-users] O.S. Trisquel Host Server

2016-12-12 Thread shellinflux
Trisquel is based on Ubuntu, it uses it's package base, only cleaned from  
proprietary software.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools

2016-12-12 Thread mcz

Ah, I see.

OTOH I'm pretty sure that safely removing a disk in Nautilus/Caja is about  
unmounting, but also turning the disk off, so that it stops spinning (see  
udisks --detach here  
https://askubuntu.com/questions/532586/what-is-the-command-line-equivalent-of-safely-remove-drive).


Only unmounting (which is possible too) keeps the disks spinning for a while,  
so if I remove a disk, I hear an ugly clic sound. It's said to be safe as  
long as the disk is unmounted, but I'd rather turn it off completely.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread calmstorm
I wouldn't dual boot if possible, but if you need it, I would recommend  
running windows if you have to... through


virtual machines... if at all... not sure if virtualbox is still nonfree at  
this point, but it is better to use


nonfree software like virtualbox through firetools (a sandboxing tool)

then to have an entire proprietary os on your system which could lead to  
really awful viruses and privacy attacks...


To be honest, I would buy it preinstalled if you are new at this, from  
thinkpenguin. Although, you should also get a


dvd for trisquel from thinkpenguin (LTS only though as short term releases  
are effectively dead)


I myself would use libreboot but if you need windows for any purpose... it  
would be near impossible on libreboot.


Just be aware that some things might not worked as expected, That is why if  
you need windows programs to work on


your computer, wine is a solution, but I think the bigger solution is some  
sort of Virtualization.


that is my thoughts.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread albertoefg

I think you both can use ring:

https://ring.cx/

Part of GNU and available under multiple plataforms :) also respects your  
privacy and your freedom it is so much better than skype.



You can install trisquel on a USB, dowload this: https://rufus.akeo.ie/ (is  
for windows) and use it to create Trisquel live usb.



Now the fact that you install Trisquel alongside Windows won't affect the  
computer at all neither windows but it is okay if you rather wait for your  
own laptop :) 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Tox chat ? can you install on trisquel?

2016-12-12 Thread greatgnu
Well, if it is only text you need, that is chat, not VOIP, not audio or  
video, but only chat, then what I recommend and think is the most powerful  
option is ricochet. It is not in the repo, but you can very easily download  
it, download the developers gpg signing key, verify your download and then  
just  run the executable. The application is nice, extremely easy to use,  
works excellently, it is multi-platform (no android support though), audited  
(secure), of course free software, encrypted by default, p2p over Tor  
network. It's the only application of its kind that takes care even of the  
metadata. It is not only encrypted but also completely anonymous AFAIK and  
understand. In one word: amazing.


https://ricochet.im


My ID in case you want to try it:
ricochet:bogaknf24ctqgj5l


Re: [Trisquel-users] Just a friendly reminder that Trisquel 7.0 is not outdated

2016-12-12 Thread greatgnu

>as comunicative as a stone wall

:D Upvoted for the lulz


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread greatgnu
HungLao: which application is that? Let us try finding a decent alternative. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Just a friendly reminder that Trisquel 7.0 is not outdated

2016-12-12 Thread autumnlover
Installing any (libre) browser manually in /home or in /opt directory is very  
easy. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Just a friendly reminder that Trisquel 7.0 is not outdated

2016-12-12 Thread legimet . calc
It's not just "shiny" stuff. I needed newer versions of GCC and Qt for a  
program. But that is fine, because Parabola and Debian testing/unstable  
exist.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Just a friendly reminder that Trisquel 7.0 is not outdated

2016-12-12 Thread nuevodesorden

I'm using Trisquel 6 and Abrowser 41.0.2 ;)


Re: [Trisquel-users] pip installer

2016-12-12 Thread greatgnu

pypi info youtube-dl

LICENSE: Unknown

Same for mps-youtube

It seems it is not great for the purpose :)



Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread albertoefg

Don't worry too much if you dual boot for school because you have to.

Right now the important thing is for you to learn. And try to do as much as  
you can on Trisquel.


You will find that you can do almost everything from it.

Also promote to others Free Softwore and teach them about why it is better to  
not use proprietary software.


You don't have to buy a laptop to dual boot you can dual boot now and i can  
put my hand on fire nothing will be lost (but do a backup just in case).


In case you need help with anything or want to share we are here :)


Also if you love games we have http://libregamenight.xyz/ join us on #lgn on  
IRC freenode we will play later =) 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread nicholaz
Thanks Alberto, I'm a big gamer, the reason I want to get a laptop as opposed  
to installing trisquel right now is because my parents use a lot of the  
computers I use and I wouldn't want to screw up what they do on the web. I'm  
thinking about installing it on a usb however, how would that work? Same as  
any other distro?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread nicholaz
Also I have a question about Skype, does anyone on here contribute to Pidgin  
specifically working on a plugin for Skype? I talk to a friend of mine on  
Skype everyday, I'm not sure if Jitsi is reliable.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Just a friendly reminder that Trisquel 7.0 is not outdated

2016-12-12 Thread albertoefg

Just to be clear:

The main point of my post is was: to remember that Trisquel is about Freedom  
and Ethics.


It was not to talk against any person or GNU/Linux distribution.








Re: [Trisquel-users] Howto reactivate laptop's NIC (it worked fine and still works under Parabola)

2016-12-12 Thread jason
"Is there a way to be sure to receive the updates for this version of the  
libre-kernel?"


I assume that you had to download the package manually and install it. To be  
sure you get updates (now that your ethernet somewhat works, even if slowly)  
you should now go back to https://jxself.org/linux-libre/ and set up the  
repository properly, following all the directions there... including  
installing one of those packages listed in the chart at the end. Because it's  
those meta packages at the end that important. But your computer also needs  
to have the repo properly set up, and one of those meta packages installed  
from it. So do everything shown there from start to finish, as if you're just  
starting out.


As an example: Your message shows you were using 4.8.12. well, 4.8.13 is now  
out. Once you've done all of those things, getting to 4.8.13 should be as  
simple as:

sudo apt update
sudo apt full-upgrade
(And then rebooting once everything is done.)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Just a friendly reminder that Trisquel 7.0 is not outdated

2016-12-12 Thread jatsi
With all the energy put on yelling and screaming about sec updates, wouldn't  
it be a litte more fruitful approach to, say, port those patches from  
parabola? :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread nicholaz

Ah okay, thanks for clarifying


Re: [Trisquel-users] Resolution stuck at 1400 x 1050 after updates

2016-12-12 Thread shellinflux
I tried to install linux-libre64-4.1, but it requested linux-libre-4.1 it  
said it's not going to be installed when I try it's stuck at 0%.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Hi everyone

2016-12-12 Thread lcerf
I was about to indicate you https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/how-create-liveusb  
that explains how to create a live USB system (that can have, or not,  
persistent storage).  However, the Wiki syntax is not interpreted (a current  
bug that will be fixed soon, I hope).


Removable devices are not made to support many write cycles.  That is why I  
would not recommend a regular install on such a device: you would quite  
quickly kill it (e.g., /var/log's files are very frequently modified).