I guess I meant a less bad situation than what we have now.
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As in, a browser with large memory footprint and heavy CPU usage will usually
also have large package download size and more complex user interface. There
is a strong correlation between them.
That may be, in practice, the "rule" for Web browsers (I am not sure). That
is not true in
Not the worst idea. I just tested that this would work. I have to decide if
its worth the hassle. Thanks for hanging in there with me.
Would Trisquel 8 just solve this? I would imagine so. Its a totally new DE...
Maybe I should just wait for the big Trisquel 8 release.
> Starting a new program requires free memory.
Yes, but if you pay more attention to the context of what I was saying, that
would be included under the umbrella of "use". There's a difference between
using 2GB right now and using 2GB ever. The point is that if you can spare
RAM, ideally,
I have an Android 5.1 phone without any SIM card installed in it. I don't use
the WI-FI and it is left continuously in flight mode. Nevertheless, it is
possible to dial an emergency number with it. I use it only for note-taking
using an .apk app, pdf reading using pocketbook, taking pictures
Just like the long-term support (LTS) kernels you get bug fixes, security
updates, backported features. An ETS kernel is a good choice for someone that
wants the reliability and dependability of an LTS version for an extended
period.
I am so sorry and so stupid! That was not supposed to go to the list.
Everything's fine and I'd love to keep in touch with ALL of you, I've
just outgrown ubuntu respins and am no longer an asset to the community!
Can we please move this to a more appropriate venue? I'm (trying to be)
generic
I would like to hear more of your thoughts in the other thread which I opened
some time ago:
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/freedom-security-technology-what-can-we-do
Let's leave this one for browsers, so that we don't make it a burden for
others :)
onpon4:
The only way reducing RAM consumption will ever help performance is if you're
using so much RAM that it's going into swap, and very few people have so
little RAM that that's going to happen.
heyjoe:
Well, it is not the only way. It is possible to use RAM inefficiently without
> If huge effort should be applied, it should
> start from the very root of the problem.
In the past, hardware was either so basic as to not utilize firmware, or,
when it did, onboard processor was barely coping with the job to have spare
cycles for spying around. In that era, "proprietary
I would agree with this sentiment. Please stay Heather. I know there is
some lets say craziness in this forum but please don't asked to be banned or
you won't end up coming back most likely.
I also don't think you did anything wrong. Unless you can show something you
did wrong that was
I am not saying it is impossible. It just needs huge amount of long term
work. Imagine just the JS module...
> I don't know if it makes much sense. Just brainstorming.
It makes a lot of sense but such a process won't resolve the root issues at
firmware/hardware level, so it won't ensure
Heather, I don't visit troll lounge so I don't know what happened, but I have
grown to like you and your manners, and it would be a serious void not seeing
you here around.
FWIW, please don't go.
> No, there are not.
Did you read the whole meat of what I have posted? If you did, I wouldn't now
have to post this rather pedantic clarification.
#1 Memory consumption
#2 Download size
#3 CPU consumption
#4 UI complexity
I didn't say #2 and #4 are the *same* variables. I said they are
What does it actually mean that it is "supported"?
The US chain CNBC (cable NBC) is not exactly a model for
imparciality - it's more like Big Money propaganda. In the months
previous to Iraqs 2003 invasion it established a negative record: in the
opinions about the war portrayed in its news only a 13% of the voices
spoke against the
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> David, if you're reading this I think I need you to "ban" me from the
> forums too and there's a thread in the Troll
In essence #2 and #4 are redundant - they are by-products of #1 and #3 to
large extent.
No, there are not. #1 is about RAM consumption, #2 about disk consumption,
#3 about (CPU) time consumption and #4 about human-computer interface.
So, in practice, there is really only one definition of
If you constantly allocate and deallocate huge amounts of memory this is an
overhead. So caching in RAM is not a performance benefit per se.
Yes, it is. It is about *not* deallocating recent data that may have to be
computed/accessed again, unless there is a shortage of free memory.
> Things have become so complex in the
> last 10 years that it is difficult to
> follow, what's left for development.
Maybe a modularized approach could solve this. You know, once "lp" was a huge
software, with print management and printer drivers lumped into a monolithic
package. Then
David, if you're reading this I think I need you to "ban" me from the
forums too and there's a thread in the Troll Lounge that needs to be
deleted.
Take care and happy trails; it's not you, it's me and I hope we can
still be friends someday. :)
~the artistno, that's not rightI mean troll
The way I look at it is this:
Regardless of what's on your system, do the following: install free
software, don't install proprietary software.
The FSF recommends installing free software on top of proprietary
firmware that can't be replaced in the same way that they recommend
installing free
Man, shouldn't something this important be Public Domain? Screw the
copyrights, this needs to be accessible to EVERYBODY.
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I think one of the biggest problems is that the web standards are influenced
to a great degree by the tech giants (Google, Mozilla) and this makes it hard
for smaller projects to catch up as they don't have the same human power.
Things have become so complex in the last 10 years that it is
> What do you suggest?
Unfortunately I have no suggestion for a browser that is both as
www-compatible as FF and fairly lightweight and security/privacy respecting.
The closest I came with was Midori (yes, it shows it's age and orphanage) for
general web browsing, Qupzilla (eith its
> No, if you're not swapping, there's no performance loss.
You are wrong. If you constantly allocate and deallocate huge amounts of
memory this is an overhead. So caching in RAM is not a performance benefit
per se.
> There is zero benefit to having RAM free that you're not using.
Starting
> Trying to produce a secure and privacy respecting browser out of an
opposite one (and an obese one in that) is not very good strategy IMHO.
What do you suggest? I have tried pretty much everything and I am running out
of options. If it was within my abilities I would write another browser.
No, if you're not swapping, there's no performance loss. There is zero
benefit to having RAM free that you're not using. If you're only ever using 2
GB of RAM out of 16 GB, those other 14 GB are doing absolutely nothing for
you.
Totally agreed. And I've touched the issue in my post also. But again, this
is a small time trade off compared to design excellence and functionality.
> Thoughts?
With multi-millions of LOC, FF forks doing just cosmetic changes is only
normal. What else could they possibly do? Trying to produce a secure and
privacy respecting browser out of an opposite one (and an obese one in that)
is not very good strategy IMHO.
What's wrong with
It is important to note that there is a limit. There is no way to have low
CPU and low memory usage at the same time. Usually more memory is used to
reduce the computational overhead (example: storing pre-calculated data in
cache, so that it is not calculated again and again) or you can save
> The question that comes to mind for
> me is, "lightweight" in what sense?
In essence #2 and #4 are redundant - they are by-products of #1 and #3 to
large extent.
That leaves us with #1 and #3.
It is true that in programming it is often necessary to trade one for the
other: I.e. given
Well, it is not the only way. It is possible to use RAM inefficiently without
swapping. There are also programs which don't free up memory properly.
Exactly. I don't think a lot of people understand that increased RAM and hard
disk consumption is often done intentionally to improve performance. The only
way reducing RAM consumption will ever help performance is if you're using so
much RAM that it's going into swap, and very few people
And not forgetting that security is a much bigger thing than just SSL.
Keeping in mind that security is important too.
https://www.howsmyssl.com/
Caches are improving performances when you revisit a site.
I believe the easiest is to create a new user (e.g., using the "+" button of
"User Accounts" in the "System Settings") and logging in with this new user.
The proposed languages only depending on having somebody dedicated to
translating.
Yes. That's why the so called lightweight browsers may not have any
significant benefit. In fact their limitations may be more significant than
their lightness.
I am on openSUSE and it is not on their repos. No idea what to do with a .deb
package and I don't find anything about how to compile that in a custom
directory (without having to install it in system-wide directories etc). I
was hoping to be able to download a binary which I can simply
Thanks. The output looks better now.
> I added two comments. The script is like 20 lines long. There is not much
to refactor.
I can look into that myself.
> I will not write any PHP
No need to. I can do it if/when necessary.
BTW another thing about IceCat:
While trying to
It is available for other distros, I know people with Mint who have it.
Further other unbranded Firefox browsers accomplish the same thing with no
difference in software, such as Parabola's Ice Weasel. That said you might be
able to compile uses a package from
Yes, but you can do that with any Firefox based browser
As a test I just removed my .config folder a rebooted and the issue still
exists... I think perhaps it IS a system config thing. Where can I test to
see if the issue is a system config issue?
I removed the tabs right before the sed call. The end of the lines were not
removed when there was a comment afterwards: the last sed substitution is for
that. Finally I was assuming the keys would be defined at most once per file
but "ghacks" makes jokes with several definitions of a same
jxself
That is real cool of yourself in adding more support.
It is possible to optimize performance through about:config settings (turn of
disk cache, tune mem cache size and others).
I still wish I could test Abrowser without having to install the whole
Trisquel.
Thanks.
Here is a test using the user.js which I attached in a previous comment and
the one from the ghacks project:
[/tmp/download]: ./mb user.js ghacks.js > out.txt && head -n 20 out.txt &&
tail -n 20 out.txt
# key user.js ghacks.js
accessibility.force_disabledundef 1
Mi estas en konsento kun la samideano, CentaurX00! Brave!
I was helping translate the LibertyBSD site in Chinese. I was thinking what
is the standard by which Trisquel Forums use for choosing which languages
apply? If for the amount of people that speak it, why Catalan and not
Chinese? And if it's to appeal to certain groups, why not languages like
Edit: Not Catalan, Gallego*
Which should not be like that in a privacy respecting system :)
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