Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-07 Thread forna
And what about the Libreboot X60 laptop? It may provide more security in case of hardware backdoors (related to firmware), doesn't it? However I do not understand very much about these kind of issues...

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-07 Thread nux
Interesting video. But - why are the laptop lids closed? The detected typing is done very slowly and deliberately - does that mean that normal typing would overwhelm the system? On the face of it, it does look like worst fears may be true. But it could just as easily be faked to appear

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-06 Thread shiretoko
This alleges that it's possible to focus on a particular house/room, from outside, and be able to tell what's being typed - without any physical connection. Ok, for the last time: this is NOT possible. It's against the laws of physics, and every physicist on the whole world can tell you

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-06 Thread Adfeno Huvlov
2014-08-28 13:42:54, oshirowa...@gmail.com: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-radio-wave-cyberattack-607/ Is it possible to detect if your computer has been infected by such surveillance? I'm not sure if this helps or turns the situation worse... And also, sorry for sharing a YouTube URI:

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-06 Thread webmaster
Same clip = a lot of wires and equipment that doesn't prove a shit.

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread oshirowanen
So basically, trisquel is useless when it comes to privacy? As all the technology exists to spy on people at the hardware level which bypasses the software altogether...

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread shiretoko
They have the technology to read every single keystroke you make, through a solid wall, with no physical connection required. Please don't spread FUD. Without any physical connection would be some kind of magic, and we're not in hogwarths. What you probably meant is some kind of internet

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread shiretoko
Well, that's like saying: We can't immunize people against _every_ disease, so Immunization is useless. It's one part of the puzzle - if we work on the other parts as well, then one day we might achieve a decent digital society.

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread akifo
No. Libre Software defends (together with encryption and common sence) you from mass survelliance, which is mostly software-related. Hardware holes make you vulnerable to personal spying only. On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 10:45 +0200, oshirowa...@gmail.com wrote: So basically, trisquel is useless when

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread franparpe
Well, wifi is basically high frequency radio waves.

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread shiretoko
Yeah, electromagnetic waves - defintely a physical connection.

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread shiretoko
That's non-sense. How do you come to this conclusion?

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread nux
It's not FUD. The method works by detecting the differences in voltage that pass down the keyboard wire. The technology has existed for a while now. It works through solid walls and from up to 20 feet away. It is a specifically targeted method rather than a broad keyword search, but exists

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread shiretoko
The method works by detecting the differences in voltage that pass down the keyboard wire. Yeah, it's based on measuring electromagnetic fields, so of course there is a physical connection. I may be picky on the terms, but nobody can spy on anyone without a physical connection. Just

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread nux
Tests have shown that the data can be read through walls and up to 65 feet away. From... http://hackaday.com/2008/10/20/eavesdrop-on-keyboards-wirelessly/

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread tegskywalker
Hopefully projects like Libreboot can help with this, but there is a lack hardware to install it on. Even if you can, its really really hard to install.

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread shiretoko
The fact that they were able to spy _means_ that there was _some kind_ of physical connection... Don't know how I could explain it any better... photons, other particle transfer - something!

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread franparpe
Yes, it needs some kind of physical connection between the computer and the NSA, some kind of bridge needs to be established to spy, and bridges can be detected.

[Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread Jeremiah M. Asbury
The average person probably won't be targeted for this attack. I think you would only need to worry about it if you are a whistleblower, political activist, etc. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread Jeremiah M. Asbury
Sorry, I didn't mean to reply specifically to your message, quantumgravity. I meant to reply to the whole list. (Either me or my e-mail program is kind of wonky.) -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread nux
This alleges that it's possible to focus on a particular house/room, from outside, and be able to tell what's being typed - without any physical connection. Though it has the smack of James Bond about it I do confess. That was PS2 connections though and USB apparently is different. It was also

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread chaosesqueteam
It's called VPro / VT. There is no way around it as far as I know. Even if you disable it it can be re-enabled remotely You are a user, They are your system admin. Better not believe or profess beliefs against the current system. Example: Men get life in prison for the fact that they like

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread jabjabs
Projects like that have to start somehwere, that said it will probably be a few years before it will really be viable and easy to run for the majority of users.

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread chaosesqueteam
Please point out the untrue statements of my previous post then. Let me tell you something, Magic Banana, if I came to you and I said some things, some true but some lies, just to get a rise out of you, that would be trolling. If I came to you and gave my honest opinion or relay some facts

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-09-05 Thread nux
So basically, trisquel is useless when it comes to privacy? Not at all. But neither should it be viewed as a one size fits all solution for all your privacy/security problems. It's a step in the right direction. But there are still the issues of ISP's mandated by law to keep records of

[Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-08-28 Thread oshirowanen
http://rt.com/usa/nsa-radio-wave-cyberattack-607/ Is it possible to detect if your computer has been infected by such surveillance?

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-08-28 Thread Ivan Antipenko
Since we're under Free software, I guess we're out of risk group. But maybe there is a good idea to start smth like Great Audit Project for all of the network-related Free software on Kickstarter or so ;) On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 13:42 +0200, oshirowa...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-08-28 Thread legimet . calc
The NSA isn't stupid. They probably use hardware backdoors (although I don't know if this is one) which would mean it doesn't matter which OS you use. Free software also has security flaws, which is why security updates are important. Don't think they don't know about flaws in GNU/Linux

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-08-28 Thread nux
They probably use hardware backdoors Ain't no probably about it. The only real question, to my mind, is how much hardware is compromised?

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-08-28 Thread legimet . calc
lol http://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1yma58/intel_ceo_dodges_nsa_questions_in_reddit_ama/cflx4ul Don't trust anything from Intel.

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-08-28 Thread franparpe
These are terrible news, and rises so much questions: Is this really possible? How can governments let these things happen?Can we escape from that control by using free software friendly hardware components? What else needs to happen to rise people awareness?

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-08-28 Thread Ivan Antipenko
After what was said in topic: the only hope is Open Hardware, but it requires decades to make it possible to create something usable at home. Now I'm really confused - what can we do right now? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance

2014-08-28 Thread nux
They have the technology to read every single keystroke you make, through a solid wall, with no physical connection required. They build backdoors into hardware and standalone OS's into processors. There is no realistic expectation of privacy, regardless of what software you use. It comes