Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
IrishUSA, I've been lurking for sometime now...but I couldn't resist suggesting a name. How about "Purish"?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
To search packages related to guile, open a terminal and type this: apt-cache search guile You will see a list of packages matching your search. To get information about one specific package, for example 'guile-2.0', run apt-cache policy guile-2.0 And you will get the version available and the version you have, if any, installed.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
You could search in synaptic or make a 'apt-get list ' search in the terminal
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how to see the package versions?? i want know the gnu guile version would have, sorry i'm beginner user
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I didn't even put quotes around what I said, to indicate that it is an exact command/quote and not just my paraphrasing.
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If the message you got is that "add-apt-repo" is not found, then you didn't type the proper command. I suggest you humor Magic Banana for a second and type the command correctly.
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It doesn't matter. I always tab-complete after typing commands, so I would have found that.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
I'm not clear on whom the above post targets with the label "astroturfer", but if it's me, I'm not one.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
I have just come back to Trisquel these days thru this late alpha, but still unable to install GRUB EFI during live installer.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
Within GPT you are granted multiboot but ESP must be present, Parabola and Devuan are also recommended to us under this multiboot.
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OMG. If thaat copy of MINIX were GPLv3... Eeee! \^o^/
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I can't add the repo for the emoji picker. add-apt-repo not found. (If Trisquel 8 could have an emoji input method by default, that would be great.)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
Is the ThreadX OS hidden behind Intel ME also hidden behind your BIOS since mid 2006 in EVERY Intel-based hw systems? My Trisquel, Hyperbola, LibertyBSD live CD are boot from boot menu, where other live CD like Parabola, Uruk, Devuan, gNewSenseare and every local systems are boot thru rEFInd, rEFInd is a libre boot manager and boot menu systems are all libre, will they be still suffered against ThreadX?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
It would be nice to have a stable and polished ISO instead of having to rely on "daily" ISO builds or netinstall to install this OS in its alpha state. Btw, if you want to know how much time has passed, Ubuntu 17.10 will be released tomorrow, October 19th.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
gd_scania, have you been able to talk to Ruben or at least connect with the development team for Flidas yet? There is a lot of work to be done and you are obviously young, intelligent, and eager to help. https://devel.trisquel.info/groups/trisquel I look forward to enjoying the benefits of your hard work and enthusiasm and, hopefully, bringing my millenial adult children and octogenarian parents into a better place than Microsoft and Apple in the future.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
This is a perfectly legitimate position. We are all hoping to have a complete free System. Will it ever happen? This is not a technical issue so maybe no it will not. This is why we are all here :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
I am unsure is there an ME in my hardware system, this system is modelled NP-350U2A-A03 and i dnt see the word Management Engine from my BIOS.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
It is a good thing ME can be deactivated on more recent hardware and that knowledge is out there. At the same time this is a free software forum. I am not going to promote non-free software here like Coreboot. Most people found out about Coreboot without me or this forum, the same will happen with ME. I am thankful to the Coreboot community because they make fully free options possible, though I don't feel comfortable using them on my primary system yet. I use Trisquel, with a free wifi, on a system supported by Libreboot. Freeing the BIOS is something I have my eye on. Libreboot is a more complete solution than just going after the ME because it addresses that and more. I am not going to encourage people to get systems that only support ME deactivation when a more complete solution exists. Of course a fully free system is not possible, everyone understands that. Everyone makes compromises, this is not new information.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
I think that it should be advertised more the fact that intel ME can be removed also on recent hardware. Speaking of Blobs, the storage as well has its own firmware and so on. And this is still there even in the librebooted laptops. Many people install the most recent ssd on those laptop and I am wondering what is there... I think that it is important that some people advocate the freedom as it should be, but I am also for the pragmatism to find a solution. In my point of view with the actual situation, blobs also in ssd etc... we could feel satisfied when part of the BIOS is free, the wifi is free, the OS is free. We cannot for the moment have the full, complete freedom. You cannot say that librebooted laptop are completely free, unless you are not using the internal storage :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
I'm not really liking the vibe of that conversation. It seems to be asserting that a "minimized" ME plus Coreboot is the same or really close to Libreboot as if the ME is the only issue. This is clearly not true since Coreboot itself is not libre software and has its own blobs. Libreboot is a "freed" version of Coreboot that also addresses the ME issue on certain labtops. Coreboot gives you more options in a blobbed environment over a stock environment in a similar way that Ubuntu does over Windows. This is good news, but it is well short of Libre.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
Jodiendo said: I'm 100 percent full blooded American. I said: I am so sorry. I am not the praying type, but my thoughts are with you in your time of trouble. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help ease your suffering. Supertramp83 said: As I've said elsewhere, my beef with Purism is mostly their name. I said: I've seen similar astroturfers in other parts of my life, so I guess it's kind of personal for me. Vendettas are not an efficient use of resources though, lol, so I'll leave the explaining to the more knowledgeable. Teg Skywalker has been here longer than I have. I think it's a person, not a shell script, but the history of the username is publicly viewable and you're smart enough to come to your own conclusions if you don't have anything better to do with your time. Peace out. /Heather of the Trisquel boards
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
SuperTramp83 said: >As I've said elsewhere, my beef with Purism is mostly their name. It really not pure, and damn sure it ain't librem I'm a 100 percent pure, 24karat cold gold, full American blooded homo-sapiens, only liquid gold flows through my veins. Yes I'm not a follower of purism, even do I was not influence by the old French painting and architecture. But influence by Jackson pollock for his madness in painting,Vincent Desiderio for his Pantocrator, for the classics Norman Rockwell, and too finalize my most dearest influence the Ledger Paintings from the Great Cheyenne Nation. What else do you need ? I'm 100 percent full blooded American.. I'm still Very free.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
When I was on Trisquel for 0.5 years I was disappointed to its aging packages, so have started using Parabola which is rolling, but fortunately our Trisquel forum is still active and I have occasionally found our Flidas alpha these days, which Trisquel is still active and alive. If possible I need to work for the Trisquel service packs every 0.5 years, with liberating every non-LTS Ubuntu releases and their every LTS service packs, finally to be our own service pack.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
To t3g, If you are impatient anymore you should want Flidas alpha first, but you must accept ‘‘that’’ fate, I am also backing to Trisquel thru Flidas alpha. Regards, HD Scania, an Eastern free software theorist and activist, want to be candidated to lead our GNU and FSF
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
Of course I WONT quit our Parabola anymore, but also I am backing to Trisquel tonight.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
Ah ok, but I completely uninstalled it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
Trisquel is not a rolling release distro, niether is the distro it is based on. If you want cutting edge use Parabola, it doesn't mean there is something wrong with Trisquel.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
PS on here a nice discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/libreboot/comments/6xvdii/libreboot_vs_librem/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
LXQt mini missing, but is Flidas now gone beta? No reasons to let LXQt mini missing since beta. I have just quit Trisquel and have been afterwards staying in Parabola, this is my dissatisfaction to years ago Trisquel software. Unlikely Parabola ships cutting edged free software using rolling, Trisquel is needed too.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
This is a good idea
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Build a PPAOS by adding PPA repositories from Launchpad.
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Yep it is a bug and I it was present also in T7 https://trisquel.info/en/forum/fresh-install-trisquel-has-problem-orca-screen-reader-being-default-and-wont-close I didn't suffer of the audio problems but I uninstalled it for precautions. Do you know if a bug report exists about it?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
The inability to deactivate the screen reader has been reported as a bug (see comment #2): https://trisquel.info/en/forum/i-finally-managed-install-trisquel-8-d-im-made-it-heres-how-i-did-it. In my install of T8 in a virtual machine, I too cannot seem to turn the screen reader off. There does not appear to be such an option in the Assistive Technologies preference pane. Also, the screen reader program crashes upon loading.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
There are (1) desktop users for whom Trisquel/Ubuntu 14.04 is sufficient, (2) desktop users for whom Trisquel/Ubuntu 14.04 is insufficient, but Ubuntu 16.04 is sufficient (3) desktop users for whom Ubuntu 16.04 is insufficient. I'm in group (3) because I am a musician. The audio and multimedia software in U16.04 is too old for my uses, and 18.04 will be as well by the time it is released. I would expect most users with specific computing needs that require up-to-date software to be in group (3) as well. Group (3) should use Parabola. If I weren't a musician I would be in group (1). Audio and multimedia software is the only reason I switched from Trisquel to Parabola. I expect that the vast majority of desktop users are in group (1) as well. Many desktop users don't require anything beyond LibreOffice, Abrowser, and VLC, and I doubt they could even tell the difference between versions two years apart. Group (2) certainly exists and it is important that they have a libre option, something Trisquel 7 does not provide for them. It would of course be objectively better if Trisquel could meet the needs of group (2) in addition to group (1), but as long as it meets the needs of group (1) it is is hardly a defective project. For many people in group (1) Trisquel may be the only libre distro sufficiently accessible and beginner-friendly. While a libre LTS distro with more frequent release cycle than Trisquel would be a great for group (2), Parabola is also sufficient, albeit intimidating for beginners. I have never used gNewSense and can't speak to its quality or beginner-friendliness, but it is a couple of years ahead of Trisquel and may also be viable for group (2). Supporting these projects would probably be more helpful to group (2) than insisting that Trisquel, clearly intended for group (1), change.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
correct
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>As I've said elsewhere, my beef with Purism is mostly their name. It really not pure, and damn sure it ain't librem
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
Really? The time stamp on the server is dated June 19.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
The iso is from April so expect a lot of updates
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I just installed Trisquel 7 on my 7 year old Aspire One, after putting in a new SSD drive (almost doubled the drive space). Currently running the updates. There are so many! My question too, was "Trisquel 8 where are you?". When I moved to my other laptop to report this, and read these last few comment, I tried to find some reference on the homepage to where I can download Trisquel 8 beta. The only place I can find where it's being discussed is here on the forum. By keeping this thread going, and thus on the forum landing page, t3g is making it possible for new users to get up-to-date. So, anyone got a download link for 8 beta? I'll give it a whirl for a while. Peace.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
I think we are all involved. I already posted that we can test the trisquel 8 release and provide feedbacks and bug reports. I had a small bug that I reported but following updates solved it and I closed it. I am using the 8 as my main distro on my main home computer. It is stable. For desktop usage I don't see any problem. for more critical use cases I would use the 7. Latest version of packages are not a requirements unless bring critical functionalities missing in the previous.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
There is nothing wrong with an LTS release like Ubuntu 16.04 as there are point release ISOs that bring in newer kernel and xservee installed by default. Oh and there's Snap packages.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
I was just going to add, why is he asking where are you... this isn't freakin scooby doo. ;) xD
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If you require frequent software updates then don't use Trisquel or any other LTS distro. For my purposes I find that I do benefit from having the newest software, so I've switched to Parabola. However, I still support Trisquel and highly recommend it for the majority of desktop users who only require regular security updates and occasional software updates.
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Have you managed to deactivate the screen reader? If so, how?
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I think that for non technical people the companies you mentioned do a good job. But we should also look forward to the next steps. I am wondering if the same companies invest to make research on how to free the modern laptop
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As I've said elsewhere, my beef with Purism is mostly their name. They're not purists. It's arguably legitimate to offer maximum freedom currently possible on current hardware, while striving to get to full freedom including the BIOS and bootloader. But to not merely imply but to claim via their name that they are purists and you're getting pure freedom from them is misleading marketing. ThinkPenguin does similar respectable work - selling PCs with stock BIOS but with Trisquel as the OS, plus accessories that support full freedom. But the name and marketing doesn't pretend purism. If Purism had a different name, something like FreedomQuest or FreedomJourney or FreedomPath that implied that their buyers don't get full freedom now but hopefully will later, that would be honest. If anyone should call themselves "Purism", it would be companies like Minifree or Libiquity. Technoethical and Vikings sell some devices or PCs that lack FSF RYF certification so they wouldn't qualify. Not a slam on them - they do good work too.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
The link you attached is 2015 and the information not completely true. They do ship with coreboot when the author of the article was pretty sure they would not do. I saw their hardware listed on the coreboot repo. They deactivate the intel ME as I did. They cite the sources of the me_cleaner. Personally I consider free (libre) a computer where the ME is deactivated and where coreboot is installed. That is enough for me. This allows to push to free all the recent hardware. I think that the FSF and libreboot will be pushed to accept the new hardware since soon most of the people will consider having all the ME code erased irrelevant if the ME is deactivated. I am happy I didn't purchased a new(old) x200 laptop and I instead learnt how to partially free my modern one. Now I am studying coreboot and if I can port it to my laptop.
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>there was no outright deception on their part, but a few instances where they misjudged what they could do, and made promises that they later couldn't fulfill Oh my this I find an interesting lulzy read on 'da promiseman'.. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Purism-Librem-Still-Blobbed Btw stay tuned folks, I talked with a high manager of Intel and I convinced him to free all their CPUs, even the past ones, it is backwards compatible..
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
Hey Magic, If you look at the dates of some of the posts, I do have a reason to be worried. That first link was dated "Sun, 10/02/2016 - 13:10" How am I wrong to STILL be worried after this is still in Alpha?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
He's been here even longer than I have; there are similar threads for Trisquel 7 and Trisquel 6, at least.
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Yep the ME deactivation comes from the project of Nicola Corna https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner I used it as well in the latest version to deactivate the ME and remove almost all the partitions in the ME region in my laptop. Regarding the Purism, I actually found citation in their blog of the sources. For example here https://puri.sm/posts/reverse-engineering-the-intel-management-engine-romp-module/ They cite the russian developer and as well the me_cleaner project. I also noticed in the last pull I did from the coreboot git repo a huge amount of push from them in the coreboot project.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
I am using the 8 downloaded from the jenkis repo since a while. I didn't have any problem so far. I daily receive new updates. I am running it in a pretty modern hardware, a quad core i7 Haswell laptop and it is very fast and stable. Everything works even the sleep and so on. I truly don't understand why people complain constantly. @t3g just download it and install it :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
The issue with Purism is several fold. The first issue is that Purism conflates the terms Open Source with Free Software when they are clearly different. The second issue is that Purism upsells its products as if they are going to be free as in free software on day one or shortly there after when it is clear that this is simply not possible based on their hardware choices. The third issue is that the main person behind Purism has conducted himself in a pretty ugly manner here on this forum, which rightfully rubbed many people the wrong way. Purism continues to hitch its wagon to Trisquel when no relationship exists, nor is any Trisquel software used in their systems. When you buy Purism products you are not getting a free as in freedom product and it is unlikely it will ever be free. Purism seems to make a pretty nice, albeit very over priced open source product. They are comparable to System76 or ZaReason with Coreboot added for some models. PureOS is Debian testing (optionally free software), Coreboot (not free software, but open source), and I would expect other products by them to be in the same ilk. The "work" Purism claims to have done releated to Intel ME and Coreboot is just that, a claim of other project's work without giving credit. Purism is a confidence man operation, but if you look into it at all it becomes clear most of their claims are either exaggerated or false. A Distro is a tool and there are many options for which distro one can choose. The notion that Trisquel has to have the latest and greatest or totally not exist is very flawed. For people like myself who want an LTS system and will ride that system out until its support life ends Trisquel is a great free as in freedom option. That of course is the whole point of an LTS system in the first place. If you want latest and greatest you want a rolling release distro like Parabola.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
I think tg3 has a valid point with this, as well as all of his other posts on this topic. If we're lucky, Trisquel 8 will be released at the same time as Ubuntu 18.04, which makes its packages outdated by two years. I know that Trisquel 7 still gets security updates, etc., but I have not found it to be reliable (it constantly freezes, and only a hard reset will allow me to continue; also, some of the applications also crash/freeze, like deja-dup, which is unacceptable for a backup solution, and there is no way to get a newer version of it on Trisquel 7). I also understand that Ruben is working a full-time job, and that he can't put as much time into Trisquel 8 as we would like, so I'm not blaming him; I think that an honest approach for him would be to either reallocate his resources to help out another libre OS, and retire Trisquel for good, or else find a way to get enough developers to help him put out releases in a reasonable amount of time. I would personally love to help with Trisquel 8, but I'm not a developer, so I don't believe any contributions that I could make would help it to be released substantially sooner. I know that people on this forum seem to hate Purism (for reasons that are, to me, unclear; in reading both the forums here, as well as everything that Purism has put out that I can find, there was no outright deception on their part, but a few instances where they misjudged what they could do, and made promises that they later couldn't fulfill), but they have been making a lot of progress on the free software front, even having their own libre distribution that not only up-to-date, it is also a rolling release, so there is much less concern that it would go the way of Trisquel 8.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
It's the official development Alpha version endorsed by Quidam (Ruben). https://trisquel.info/en/forum/first-development-alpha-iso-images-trisquel-80-flidas
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
Hi, Is that an official download link? What is jenkins and what is the reason it's not just on the download page. Sorry, I'm not so familiar with Trisquel. But I'm looking to use this as my main distro.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?
http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/
