Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-20 Thread strypey
I've been installing GNU/Linux since the early 2000s, but I've never yet successfully installed PureOS. Also, it only releases 64-bit versions, so I can't even try it on my older laptop. I'm definitely not one of the Purism disestablishmentarians, but I don't really see the benefit of using

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-19 Thread xliang9550
Thank you very much for the reply. I still keep a few 32-bit computers, including two ThinkPad X40, currently used for GNU/Hurd testing. Since I probably won't use said 32-bit computers to run latest packages (i.e., for non-critical tasks only), I may consider to install incoming Trisquel

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-18 Thread mason
> Additionally, if Trisquel still wants to support i686 architecture, then it must make some change starting version 10, since Ubuntu dropped i686 support. There has been some discussion of this in recent meetings. Ubuntu still provides some 32-bit binary packages in order to support Wine

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-18 Thread xliang9550
Additionally, if Trisquel still wants to support i686 architecture, then it must make some change starting version 10, since Ubuntu dropped i686 support.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-18 Thread andyprough
> Debian's lightdm package works fine with or without systemd. Devuan's changes just remove systemd support. This has no benefit for non-systemd users, which presumably includes all Devuan users. That's a fair point. Devuan's devs appear to have a specific philosophy of not supporting

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-18 Thread mason
> I'm so happy to see you continue to dig into antiX's plumbing. Isn't it an absolutely wonderful conceptual approach? I was initially thrown off by the [1][nosystemd repository], which currently contains a single package, but used to contain a large number of packages that were no longer

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-18 Thread pandya
Yes, actually due to suffering from this issue https://trisquel.info/en/issues/23853 for long time, I've switched to PureOS just 2 days ago.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-17 Thread andyprough
I'm so happy to see you continue to dig into antiX's plumbing. Isn't it an absolutely wonderful conceptual approach? I did not know that Devuan was wasting time removing those references. That's an interesting point, I'm going to need to explore further. As far as waiting on Devuan, they

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-17 Thread mason
> Looking at https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html it sounds Debian is far better than Ubuntu in case of respecting freedom. This has been discussed over and over and over again, but I'll briefly explain. When it comes to the actual software in their repositories, which is what

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-17 Thread mason
> I would vote for basing off of Devuan. With Debian and Ubuntu you are locked into too many of RedHat's walled garden technologies going forward. I think Debian is a better choice than Devuan for an upstream distro, at least these days. Starting with Bullseye (and with Buster if you

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-17 Thread andyprough
> I searched an information about this event and apparently it was an April fools joke by lead developer Ah, seems like some developer has a strange sense of humor. Thank you for the info. It does seem stable now. I was not trying it in April 2019.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-17 Thread vas1980i
I remember visiting their site and it was all in green text saying about being hacked by some hacker group. I searched an information about this event and apparently it was an April fools joke by lead developer: https://lwn.net/Articles/786593/

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-16 Thread mistahdarcy
There's always PureOS. Based on Debian testing and endorsed by the Free Software Foundation. Runs flawlessly on my Libreboot x200 and the software repos are nice and up to date. /me hides before the anti-Purism assassins show up.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-16 Thread andyprough
> Wasn't Devuan hacked by some "green hackers"? Is it safe to use? I hope you don't expect me to respond to that with some fact-filled defense, as I have no clue what your are talking about and you've given me no source or info I could possibly check up on.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-16 Thread vas1980i
Wasn't Devuan hacked by some "green hackers"? Is it safe to use?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-16 Thread andyprough
I would vote for basing off of Devuan. With Debian and Ubuntu you are locked into too many of RedHat's walled garden technologies going forward.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-16 Thread xliang9550
There have been already so many posts discussing this issue. I'm also negative toward Ubuntu as a base. If you prefer Debian, you can use it anyway. The main freedom issue of Debian is the existence of the (unofficial) non-free repository which provides non-free firmware. But it's not

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why are we based on Ubuntu and not Debian?

2020-05-16 Thread Ade Malsasa Akbar
Hello, glad to see you in Trisquel Forum! As far as I know, this issue is often discussed already. Personally, I don't think changing base would accelerate or enhance Trisquel development especially for now. And let's suppose it happens, next time somebody could come and could say similar thing