Re: [TROM1] Replay B56

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Thanks, David,

In my opinion The Pilot said a lot of wise words and some idiocies!

So it is certainly worthwhile looking over what he said. In any case 
looking at the subject from a number of viewpoints is a valuable 
three-dimensional look (or perhaps 55 dimensional according to how many 
viewpoints you look at it from ;-)   ).


All best wishes,

Ant.


Antony A Phillips

www.antology.info


On 15-10-2016 19:20, The Resolution of Mind list wrote:

Ant,

This is a super excellent choice for a replay post.


I really appreciate Pilot's most qualified, honest, and objective 
questioning and critiquing of TROM and his suggestions.


He is not a parrot.

It is refreshing  and most valuable.

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Re: [TROM1] Replay B56

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Ant,

This is a super excellent choice for a replay post.


I really appreciate Pilot's most qualified, honest, and objective
questioning and critiquing of TROM and his suggestions.

He is not a parrot.

It is refreshing  and most valuable.

I much concur, with him on almost  all points, with the exceptions of  his
references to early track, which I have no experience or reality on.

Based on my experience, I think going back track to this life time, is  a
trap and really messes people up.

I am not a 100%  sure, but that is what I think from observations.


One point that really stood out  for me is the following:



*His Timebreaking is a bit different from earlier techniques.*

*I tried it and it seemed like fun to do it with light*

*incidents, but I prefer to handle light incidents with*

*simple itsa and blowing by inspection.*

>>>

Blowing by inspection is very close to  what I figured out  to do, two or
three yrs ago.


I found taking pieces of the picture and time breaking them,  impossible to
do.

I think that part,  is BS.

I think Dennis just made  that up  to put in a gradient.


I also use a bit of time breaking, by being aware of present time and my
surroundings at the same time.


I don't think The Pilot is right on that piece TBing may be for heavy
incidents.

I could not do it on heavy incidents, either.

It drove me crazy and caved me in.


By this time, The Pilot probably had no heavy incidents left, so could not
test the procedure.



And I agree with The Pilot on his comments on L4 and L5.

L5 does not seem to fit with my case.

(I am trying to figure it out and see what needs to be changed to make it
work for  me.)


Such commentaries, as the Pilot's,  need to be made part of the TROM book,
in commentary sections.

They are invaluable.


Because most, if any  future new comers will not go back and do the
research to find such valuable material, nor should they be expected to do
so.


And the Pilot's comments prove that a person without a scn background,
cannot do the process.

And the TROM process is not for everyone by far.

At least not in it's present form.


Thanks again for posting that, Ant.


I feel quite vindicated.


David


In vain we build a world, if at first we don't find the cause and cure for
the problems of the mind, which is readily doable by the masses.









On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 2:13 AM, The Resolution of Mind list <
trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote:

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> Sent* 15th of October 2016 Saturday*
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> by *ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk * (Antony
> Phillips)
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> There is material here by The Pilot concerning TROM. The Pilot at that
> time was anonymous and answered questions and made comments every fortnight
> on an Internet Newsgroup. "The Pilot (Ken Ogger) played a notable part in
> the exodus from Scientology Church from 1997 when he published his Super
> Scio book (800 A4 pages), his Scientology Reformers Home Page (36 A4 Pages
> also in 1997) ". More details at http://scientolipedia.org/info/Ken_Ogger
> .
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> Note that this is a resend of a message sent some years ago, and some data
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> To: tro...@newciv.org
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> From: Antony Phillips  
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> Subject: [trom] Replay B56
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> From: "RVH"  
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> To: "TROM-L"  
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> Subject: Pilot's comments on TROM
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> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 16:07:25 +1000
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> I was just now reviewing some posts from the Pilot to a.c.t. and realised
> that I
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> had not seen any comments on this on TROM-L. This was posted in early
> April, and
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> I trust it will be of interest to those on this list.
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> Ron Van Haarlem
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> == [This is the bit from The
> Pilot. He quotes someone who wrote to him on the Internet, the parts
> beginning with >, and then comments or answers them. ]
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> Subj : Super Scio Tech - Reviewing Trom (attn Jules)
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> REVIEWING TROM (Attn Jules)
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> On 29 Mar 98, ju...@dev.null (Jules Trent) asked on subject
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> "To Pilot re: TROM"
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> > First, thanks for a much prior post re, Power Pr realization
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> > (with clear cog as side effect) producing a state that is, per ...
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> ...snip...
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> > trouble, got huge LF/BD/FN on "was nothing wrong in the first
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> > place:.Thanks again...
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> > Shouldn't have invalidated myself--- DUH!
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> Great!
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> > Re TROM:
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> > 1) What's your opinion on