[TROM1] Replay B62

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Replay B62


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From: Antony Phillips 

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Subject: TROM: Replay B62


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From*: random...@null.net*

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Subject: *TROM & Scientology*

Date: Sat, 17 Oct *1998*18:47:50 +0200


NOTE: This message is targeted at those who have a basic understanding of

Scienetology, If you don't and just are interested in TROM, pls ignore, and

continue what you are doing.


So, only the curious and {ex} Scientyologist are left right... :)


When I read Trom, about 2 months ago, it HIT, I cognited it was written from

a higher Q than Scientology as it is currently applied, went up-the-pole.

and I had a new, much simpler model to evaluate life.


>From what I have found so far, it obviousely does not have the same 
efffect



on everybody who reads it.


Which is an interesting effect.


As far as I can see, Ron's model does free a being from part of his case if

applied, but at the same time traps the being in a whole lot of his

opinions.


Evaluating these opinions against the TROM model easely blows them.


EXAMPLE: "Production is the basis of morale"


This is typically a "Must Be Know" statement. "Consumption is the basis of

morale" is equally valid of course, and even "No Production" and "No

Consumption" are a basis of morale.


Scietology seems to slanted towards the "Must Be Know" postulate for the PC,

staff member and source, and the "Must Know" postulate for the Auditor, C/S

etc.


When you look at it that way, all CoS troubles are part of the 3-d "TROM

CASE".


All beings trapped by the CoS could be freed to the next level when we find

out a way to process the 3-d TROM CASE of the CoS.


So, for those that have a purpose of getting all those beings 'untrapped' it

would be nice to find a way to apply TROM to the CoS 3-d (or any 3-d for

that matter).


Anyone on the list care to do some research in this direction? Anyone has

some ideas as to how to aproach this?




*Honzo Svasek == random...@null.net*


"Axiom 81: Sanity consists of optimum randomity"

- from the Dianetic Axioms by L. Ron Hubbard -



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Date: Sun, 18 Oct *1998*18:39:35 -0700

From: *Randy Nicholson *

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To: Nori Avidan ,

"tro...@newciv.org" 

Subject: Re: *SelfClear: Re: FW: Request for Help on Clearing path*


Yes Nori,


Its well worth it, I would do it and hope to one day. Maybe using the 
TROM manual or the english


dictionary as the materials being studied. It is or was a SCN course 
package at one time and I am not


sure if it is still offered. I would not be allowed to do it through the 
C of SCN but have enough


information having done the student hat course to get me going.


All the best to you .

*Randy Nicholson*



Nori Avidan wrote:


> Hi Randy,

>

> Thank you for the quotes.

> Does it worth the effort according to your opinon & experience ?

...snip...

> > For information, write to majord...@gem.lightlink.com with the single

> > message line: info selfclearing-l


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Re: [TROM1] Replay B62

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I forgot that the TromList this does not automatically add the sender's 
name.

I sent the following paragraph.
All best wishes,
Ant.

Antony A Phillips

www.antology.info

On 18-09-2016 11:46, The Resolution of Mind list wrote:

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Yes. You are possibly right. There was no wild drive to get new people 
in. Many people then (like me, like Ken Urquhart) came in by 
recommendation. It is worth noting that in the beginning the Sea org 
was only open to people who attained the state of Clear "the hard 
way", and you had a be Class VI to be invited on the solo auditing 
course leading to solo auditing on End Words and then on the Clearing 
Course.

However I certainly was not higher toned then and I do not think Ken was


On 17-09-2016 17:23, The Resolution of Mind list wrote:



That is before scn got increasingly taken over by the crazies in the 
70s and on.


In the beginning many much higher toned and much higher theta beings 
got into scn, before it got such a bad reputation as now, where no 
self respecting  person would come near it.


That probably explains why many of  the people  that posted on these 
replays are so much more intelligent.



David 


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Re: [TROM1] Replay B62

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Yes. You are possibly right. There was no wild drive to get new people 
in. Many people then (like me, like Ken Urquhart) came in by 
recommendation. It is worth noting that in the beginning the Sea org was 
only open to people who attained the state of Clear "the hard way", and 
you had a be Class VI to be invited on the solo auditing course leading 
to solo auditing on End Words and then on the Clearing Course.

However I certainly was not higher toned then and I do not think Ken was


On 17-09-2016 17:23, The Resolution of Mind list wrote:



That is before scn got increasingly taken over by the crazies in the 
70s and on.


In the beginning many much higher toned and much higher theta beings 
got into scn, before it got such a bad reputation as now, where no 
self respecting  person would come near it.


That probably explains why many of  the people  that posted on these 
replays are so much more intelligent.



David 


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Re: [TROM1] Replay B62

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I sure like these replays.

Very intelligent and helpful  reading  for the most part.

Many of the guys of that era were much more intelligent, much more advanced
beings  than those of today.


It just occurred to me that they were  from the first group of people to
join scn in the 50s and 60s.


That is before scn got increasingly taken over by the crazies in the 70s
and on.

In the beginning many much higher toned and much higher theta beings got
into scn, before it got such a bad reputation as now, where no self
respecting  person would come near it.

That probably explains why many of  the people  that posted on these
replays are so much more intelligent.


David

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 6:56 AM, The Resolution of Mind list <
trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote:

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> Sent Saturday 17th of September 2016
> by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk (Antony Phillips)
>
> This is an incidental, parenthetical, note. This Trom list now has put
> into its header (subject) the word "[TROM1]". To the very best of my
> knowledge it is the first Internet list ever run about TROM. At a later
> time to or three other lists came up with TROM in their title. I must admit
> I was a bit annoyed about that and "combated" it by adding the numeral "1"
> to the title. That is a story, and is perhaps a bit of an anachronism to
> still have it there (but that is not my hat any longer!).
>
> Note that this is a resend of a message sent some years ago, and some data
> (like addresses) is liable to be inaccurate.
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> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:10:53 +0100
> From: Antony Phillips  
> Reply-To: i...@post8.tele.dk
> Organization: International Viewpoints
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I)
> To: tro...@newciv.org
> Subject: TROM: Replay B62
>
> --
>AntAntony A Phillips
>i...@post8.tele.dk
>  tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69
>   Box 78
>   DK - 2800 Lyngby
> Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy). See Home Page:
> http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/
> Administrator: trom-l, selfclearing-l, superscio-l, IVy lists
>
>
> To: "TROM LIST"  
> Subject: TROM & Scientology
> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:47:50 +0200
>
> NOTE: This message is targeted at those who have a basic understanding of
> Scienetology, If you don't and just are interested in TROM, pls ignore, and
> continue what you are doing.
>
> So, only the curious and {ex} Scientyologist are left right... :)
>
> When I read Trom, about 2 months ago, it HIT, I cognited it was written
> from
> a higher Q than Scientology as it is currently applied,  went up-the-pole.
> and I had a new, much simpler model to evaluate life.
>
> >From what I have found so far, it obviousely does not have the same
> efffect
> on everybody who reads it.
>
> Which is an interesting effect.
>
> As far as I can see, Ron's model does free a being from part of his case if
> applied, but at the same time traps the being in a whole lot of his
> opinions.
>
> Evaluating these opinions against the TROM model easely blows them.
>
> EXAMPLE: "Production is the basis of morale"
>
> This is typically a "Must Be Know" statement. "Consumption is the basis of
> morale" is equally valid of course,  and even "No Production" and "No
> Consumption"  are a basis of morale.
>
> Scientology seems to slanted towards the "Must Be Know" postulate for the
> PC,
> staff member and source, and the "Must Know" postulate for the Auditor, C/S
> etc.
>
> When you look at it that way, all CoS troubles are part of the 3-d "TROM
> CASE".
>
> All beings trapped by the CoS could be freed to the next level when we find
> out a way to process the 3-d TROM CASE of the CoS.
>
> So, for those that have a purpose of getting all those beings 'untrapped'
> it
> would be nice to find a way to apply TROM to the CoS 3-d (or any 3-d for
> that matter).
>
> Anyone on the list care to do some research in this direction?  Anyone has
> some ideas as to how to aproach this?
>
>
> Honzo Svasek == random...@null.net
>
> "Axiom 81: Sanity consists of optimum randomity"
> - from the Dianetic Axioms by  L. Ron Hubbard -
>
>
>
> From: Randy Nicholson  
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: Nori Avidan  ,
> "tro...@newciv.org"  
> 
> Subject: Re: SelfClear: Re: FW: Request for Help on Clearing path
>
> Yes Nori,
>
> Its well worth it,  I would do it and hope to one day. Maybe using the
> TROM manual or the english
> dictionary as the materials being studied. It is or was a SCN course
> package at one time and I am not
> sure if it is still offered. I would not be allowed to do it through the C
> of SCN but h

[TROM1] Replay B62

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Sent Saturday 17th of September 2016
by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk (Antony Phillips)

This is an incidental, parenthetical, note. This Trom list now has put 
into its header (subject) the word "[TROM1]". To the very best of my 
knowledge it is the first Internet list ever run about TROM. At a later 
time to or three other lists came up with TROM in their title. I must 
admit I was a bit annoyed about that and "combated" it by adding the 
numeral "1" to the title. That is a story, and is perhaps a bit of an 
anachronism to still have it there (but that is not my hat any longer!).


Note that this is a resend of a message sent some years ago, and some 
data (like addresses) is liable to be inaccurate.
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:10:53 +0100
From: Antony Phillips 
Reply-To: i...@post8.tele.dk
Organization: International Viewpoints
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To: tro...@newciv.org
Subject: TROM: Replay B62

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To: "TROM LIST" 
Subject: TROM & Scientology
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:47:50 +0200

NOTE: This message is targeted at those who have a basic understanding of
Scienetology, If you don't and just are interested in TROM, pls ignore, and
continue what you are doing.

So, only the curious and {ex} Scientyologist are left right... :)

When I read Trom, about 2 months ago, it HIT, I cognited it was written from
a higher Q than Scientology as it is currently applied,  went up-the-pole.
and I had a new, much simpler model to evaluate life.

>From what I have found so far, it obviousely does not have the same 
efffect

on everybody who reads it.

Which is an interesting effect.

As far as I can see, Ron's model does free a being from part of his case if
applied, but at the same time traps the being in a whole lot of his
opinions.

Evaluating these opinions against the TROM model easely blows them.

EXAMPLE: "Production is the basis of morale"

This is typically a "Must Be Know" statement. "Consumption is the basis of
morale" is equally valid of course,  and even "No Production" and "No
Consumption"  are a basis of morale.

Scientology seems to slanted towards the "Must Be Know" postulate for 
the PC,

staff member and source, and the "Must Know" postulate for the Auditor, C/S
etc.

When you look at it that way, all CoS troubles are part of the 3-d "TROM
CASE".

All beings trapped by the CoS could be freed to the next level when we find
out a way to process the 3-d TROM CASE of the CoS.

So, for those that have a purpose of getting all those beings 'untrapped' it
would be nice to find a way to apply TROM to the CoS 3-d (or any 3-d for
that matter).

Anyone on the list care to do some research in this direction? Anyone has
some ideas as to how to aproach this?


Honzo Svasek == random...@null.net

"Axiom 81: Sanity consists of optimum randomity"
- from the Dianetic Axioms by  L. Ron Hubbard -



From: Randy Nicholson 
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Nori Avidan ,
"tro...@newciv.org" 
Subject: Re: SelfClear: Re: FW: Request for Help on Clearing path

Yes Nori,

Its well worth it,  I would do it and hope to one day. Maybe using the 
TROM manual or the english
dictionary as the materials being studied. It is or was a SCN course 
package at one time and I am not
sure if it is still offered. I would not be allowed to do it through the 
C of SCN but have enough

information having done the student hat course to get me going.

All the best to you .
Randy Nicholson


Nori Avidan wrote:

> Hi Randy,
>
> Thank you for the quotes.
> Does it worth the effort according to your opinon & experience ?
>
> Nori
>
> --
> From:   Randy Nicholson[SMTP:b...@best.com]
> Sent:   ýSunday, October 18, 1998ý ý5:14 AMý
> To: Nori Avidan
> Cc: 'family-l'ý;ý 'fza-l'ý;ý 'selfclearing-l'ý;ý 'Allen'
> Subject:Re: SelfClear: Re: FW: Request for Help on Clearing path
>
> As defined in the SCN Tech Dictionary :
>
> PRIMARY RUNDOWN, 1. the PRIMARY RUNDOWN consists of word clearing and 
study tech. It makes a
> student super-literate. 2. Consists of method one word clearing and 
method 8 on study tapes and

> STUDENT HAT.
>
> Method 1, is word clearing with a meter in session done by a trained 
auditor.

>
> Method 8, is an action used in the  Primary Rundown where one is 
studying study tech or where one
> is seeking a full grasp of a subject. Its end product is a 
sup