Glenn wrote:
I believe the Christian ordinances are two: baptism
and the Lord's Supper. I believe they are outward
rites appointed by Christ to be administered in each
church, not as a means of salvation, but as a visible
sign and seal of its reality. (Acts 2:36;
1 Corinthians 11:24-34).
Laura wrote:
Nope. You'd never believe it. Our denomination
calls it an ordinance and I don't know if I agree
but I don't have a problem with it either. Can't
go there because it will open up a can of worms.
I'd like to know what it is too. Is it ordination?
Peace be with you.
Yes, but what you don't realize is we fight as brothers and sisters in Christ, not as followers of Satan versus followers of Christ. It's just like physical brothers and sisters.
Glenn to DaveL - See here is the difference between we united Christians
DAVEH: Ahhh yes.I think I've
PREIn our church we practice footwashing. It is done on an optional basis and
is not considered a requirement for salvation or anything else but is
considered a reminder of the example of humility and service that Christ
taught us. We do it once a year around Easter but some churches do it
I should have said two CHURCH ordinances. I believe there is salvation by grace through faith plus nothing minus nothing. Church of Christ believes one is saved by baptism and believe one continues to be saved by the Lord's Supper. If you miss the Lord's Supper on Sunday and you die that week, you
Laura wrote:
In our church we practice footwashing.
I believe footwashing is a sacrament in that I have seen it bring the grace
of Christ to people and affect their relationship with their brothers and
sisters, and with Jesus Christ. I don't like the term ordinance because
it sounds like a law
DAVEH: Thanx, Laura. I don't see that as a can of worms for you. Who were you
worried about...Brother Glenn? If I were to admit that we practice a similar
rite, I'm suspect he'd have more than a few critical comments in reply. But, I think
you
are in a safe harbor! :-)
[EMAIL
I agree with you I would call it a sacrement but I guess they use the words interchangeably. Apparently years ago it was a real issue between the Free Will Baptists in Tennessee and North Carolina. My church would be considered liberal by many FWB and many of our people are children of parents who
1 Tim. 5:10 states that footwashing is a good work. I don't view good works as an ordinance. To me it's a no brainer, but some denominations make it more than a good work. They make it equal to the Lord's Supper because Jesus washed feet before instituting the Supper. They say, "Jesus commanded us
We have to go easy on the women, after all, God is against them doing anything in the church but washing floors, right? Mormons and Islam are both pretty much anti-women.
DAVEH: Thanx, Laura. I don't see that as a can of worms for you. Who were you worried about...Brother Glenn? If I were to
In a message dated 10/10/2002 9:05:14 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1 Tim. 5:10 states that footwashing is a good work. I don't view good works as an ordinance. To me it's a no brainer, but some denominations make it more than a good work. They make it equal to the Lord's
Glenn wrote:
1 Tim. 5:10 states that footwashing is a
good work. I don't view good works as
an ordinance.
Hold on a minute. This passage is not speaking about a ceremony of
footwashing, which is what some Christians do when they sit around in a
circle, take their shoes off, and wash each
1. Work Something we do to complete a task and it usually means something
is received in return.I would say that doing good things as in works are
a result of obedience to commands that Christ gave but they don't save us.
I'd say good works are a natural result of following Christ
2.
Glenn wrote:
I should have said two CHURCH ordinances.
I believe there is salvation by grace through faith
plus nothing minus nothing.
So what does that term "ordinance" mean in your usage? What is the
distinction you are now trying to make by saying "Church" ordinance as
opposed to
Glenn wrote:
1 Tim. 5:10 states that footwashing is a
good work. I don't view good works as
an ordinance.
Hold on a minute. This passage is not speaking about a ceremony of
footwashing, which is what some Christians do when they sit around in a
circle, take their shoes off, and wash each
Laura wrote:
1. Work Something we do to complete a task and it
usually means something is received in return. I would
say that doing good things as in works are a result of
obedience to commands that Christ gave but they don't
save us.
I understand your position that good works do not
I would like to see several people take the following test, especially Glenn
and Laura. :-)
True or False
1. Justification comes by Faith Alone (meaning only faith -- faith without
good works)
2. A person who says he has faith but not good works is justified before
God.
3. A person is
In a message dated 10/10/2002 4:52:15 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
True or False
1. Justification comes by Faith Alone (meaning only faith -- faith without
good works) True but if the faith is sincere works SHOULD follow
2. A person who says he has faith but not good
Tell me these are not trick questions and I will try to answer them. I am wondering if you are confused over this perfection doctrine. I just can't buy perfection. One has to redefine perfection to believe in it. NO one is perfect in his thoughts. No one loves perfectly, etc.,
I would like to see
Glenn wrote:
Tell me these are not trick questions and I will
try to answer them.
These are not trick questions.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6)
True or False
1. Justification comes by Faith Alone (meaning only faith -- faith without
good works)
True, meaning Salvation comes by faith alone. Justification defined: just as if I never sinned.
Abraham justified through faith Gen. 15:6
No one can earn justification Rom. 3:22-24
Works nullify
I think the answers given to the test so far will lead to some very
interesting discussions. I'm going out of town for several days so I may
not be able to respond much until next week. I hope to see some more
answers from others when I get back.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
--
PRESee you expected Glenn and I to answer the same way. Actually I don't find
that much fault with his answers but I look at some of it differently. Laura
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
ought to answer every man. (Colossians
Independent, pre-millenial, fundamental, King James ONLY Baptist
No. 1 -
"If you use any other version than the King James you need to get saved".
No. 2 - "It's not the King James only, it's the only King James. Big difference"
No. 3 - "It takes an idiot not to understand the King James
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