Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?---Part 2

2002-11-11 Thread GJTabor
Ha Ha Blainer, cut tail and ran when DavidM challenged him. Also, to say the below without responding to Davidm's explanation is a red flag to me. He explained clearly. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A moron can read that passage and understand it. I have had 2 different people read it (I made no

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread GJTabor
Why? Because it is false teaching. It is wrong to teach falsely. What group of Christians do you worship with on a regular basis? Why? Because this false teaching attempts to take away the freedom we have in Christ. Izzy is on your side and she gave Bible. You did not respond to the Bible verse

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread GJTabor
Marlin, I still have heard an answer from you concerning your selling of Christmas product? Do you sell Christmas product or not? Why is this so hard to answer?

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread CHamm56114
Marlin, If you are against Christmas that is fine with me but I still want to know if you benefit financially from the sale of items from your business during the Christmas season. Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?

2002-11-11 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talk about spin. DAVEH: You can call it what you want, Brother Glenn.but I consider Isaiah to be a great prophet! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DavdL - How do you explain the people in the Bible who were saved before baptism? DAVEH: I explained it before, but I'll

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: I will give you my two bits worth. It is you, Martin. You have a party spirit. You are the one who can't worship with others on a continuing basis. You are the one who gives me the impression if we can't understand your questions without answers, we are not spiritual. You are

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 11/11/2002 9:37:13 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura wrote: I don't know anyone who is a Christian who can get by without worshipping on a regular basis with other believers and still maintain their walk with God. No denomination is perfect, no church is

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread GJTabor
See David, I disagree with you. Marlin is not answering questions. How many times has he been asked this question? We still have no answer. Here's the truth. IF he sells Christmas trees, or anything associated with Christmas, he is a hypocrite. If he doesn't sell anything to do with Christmas is

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread David Miller
Laura wrote: This isn't about what day we worship - it is about the fact that Martin seems not to worship with other believers on a regular basis. You and Glenn completely missed my point. Think about it this way. Right or wrong, suppose you came to the ideology that Saturday would be the

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread David Miller
Marlin wrote: JER 10:3For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. JER 10:4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. JER 10:5

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: Many have it backwards today. They give sinners hell and gently talk to Christians. Jesus was the opposite when he talked to the woman at the well and the religious leaders of his day. Glenn, the problem is that you are the pastor here, the doctor, the representative of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread GJTabor
Glenn wrote: Many have it backwards today. They give sinners hell and gently talk to Christians. Jesus was the opposite when he talked to the woman at the well and the religious leaders of his day. Glenn, the problem is that you are the pastor here, the doctor, the representative of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 11/11/2002 12:47:54 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok, Laura. How about this. You go to a Messianic assembly next Saturday and meet with them regularly. Their music may not be your favorite, and their format of worship might not be what you want, and their

RE: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
Title: Message Laura, I think you have missed David's point entirely. Marlin is convicted to honor the SABBATH, as scripture clearly tells us to do. So what if he lives in an area where there is no Sabbath-worshipping fellowship What if it takes a great deal of planning to get a group

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread David Miller
I know that you were not finding fault with Saturday worship. I'm just wondering how willing you are to follow your own advise! :-) Peace be with you.David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida USA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 11/11/2002 2:56:09 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know that you were not finding fault with Saturday worship. I'm just wondering how willing you are to follow your own advise! I'd go to a Messianic service - They have awesome music and serve the same

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread CHamm56114
Then he should worship somewhere on Sunday or start a group on Saturday. Laura

RE: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
Title: Message Glenn, You are the one bringing up "doctrine of origins", (which by the way is not in the Bible);Marlin never did. This is theology terminology psychobabble thatcertain people like to use to confuse the issue when they can't come up with scripture to defend their point of

RE: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
Title: Message Laura, Thanks for giving him that. And if he is led to worship on the Sabbath, isn't it obvious to you that he is not going to worship on Sunday instead? Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 11/11/2002 3:27:49 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura, Thanks for giving him that. And if he is led to worship on the Sabbath, isn't it obvious to you that he is not going to worship on Sunday instead? Izzy Are you serious? So if you don't have a

RE: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
Title: Message Laura, You don't have to worship-every-Sunday-in-church to worship. As I said, the Amish worship as a church group every other Sunday. Some folks don't have a church nearby, so they worship at home. Some folks are too ill to leave their homes; does that mean they "don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread GJTabor
The below statement is a total lack of knowledge. I am getting out of this discussion. Bye. PS. Still waitng to see if Marlin is selling Christmas trees or materials? I wonder that God didn't get after David for not worshipping; after all, he just wrote songs and sang them from the pastures!

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread Marlin Halverson
To Whom It May Concern: We do not sell Christmas products. Not that it should make any difference, we fellowship regularly with some wonderful and loving Seventh Day Adventists, and attend independent Bible studies with many of the same people. We do not subscribe to all of their ideas,

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 11/11/2002 5:20:11 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jumping to conclusions is not wise. noone was jumpint to conclusions. Thanks for answering the questions. Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread Marlin Halverson
Marlin, this sounds like false idols to me. Am I wrong? Yes. We agree. False idols. I know a lot of people try and say this is a christmas tree. You don't think that, do you? Dear David, If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is close enough for me to consider that it

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread GJTabor
Marlin, you brought it on yourself. I just responded to the Holy Spirit inside of me. You NEVER attempted to REFUTE ONE THING I HAVE SAID. So there's no carrying on a conservation with you. I attended a 7th Day Adventists prophecy workshop. It was the worse thing I ever attended. Tried to sneak

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread GJTabor
The answer to your Christmas problem is the "doctrine of origins". There is nothing in the Bible that says it is a sin IF IT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE. The first part of Jeremiah 10 sure sounds like a Christmas tree. Later verses could show that it is some kind of a carved object, an image. I realize

Re: [TruthTalk] salvation?

2002-11-11 Thread Marlin Halverson
Dear Glenn, Thanks for softening your tone a little. "I DON'T FOLLOW THE OLD TESTAMENT FOR MY SALVATION." What issalvation of? What do you need to be saved from? Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday,

RE: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
Glenn, You teased Blainer for running off.youd better not do it now! J Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread GJTabor
I'm not leaving TT. I just think I am hindering Marlin and your conservation. So I am going to bow out of this conservation for now. The conservation seems to be all one sided. I say something but Marlin doesn't address what I said. I am going to just watch. I might jump in a little, but I hope

RE: [TruthTalk] Xmas

2002-11-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
Glenn, Lets all just kiss and make up! J Hugs, Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Xmas I'm not leaving TT. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Cults

2002-11-11 Thread Marlin Halverson
Is 7th Day Adventist a cult? Some Christians say it is, some say it is not. There was a time in England when the official Christian government approved church put to death a child's parents for teaching their child to recite the Lord's Prayer in English. The parentswere burned at the

Re: [TruthTalk] salvation?

2002-11-11 Thread GJTabor
Dear Glenn, Thanks for softening your tone a little. "I DON'T FOLLOW THE OLD TESTAMENT FOR MY SALVATION." What is salvation of? "There is neither Jew or Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is niether male or female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus". Gal. 3:28. What do you need

[TruthTalk] The two redent snipers

2002-11-11 Thread GJTabor
Monday, Nov. 11, 2002 California Democrat Fears Veterans A newly elected California Democrat has joined the P.C. anti-American left that has tried to blame the Beltway snipers on the U.S. military and played down the fact that one suspect is a radical America-hating Muslim and the other is an