From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
jt: in circles where they teach that healing is part of
the atonement
approximately 5% who come fwd in healing lines receive
healing.
Why? Healing is the children's bread is it
not?
terry: I have trouble equating healing with bread.
jt: Why? T
DAVEH: If anybody deserves to be excluded from TT for contrarian views,
it is me with my LDS biased beliefs. FTR..DavidM has gone to
extraordinary lengths to defend my presence in TT.
Wm. Taylor wrote:
. May I say something to
you, David? I would like to say it
To all TTers,
My accuser claims I have mishandled the Word of
God. Before judging me too hastily I ask that you first hear me out. I
would like to ask that you please read this post in its entirety. It will be
long but I want you to know what I am doing and why I am doing it. Hear me out
Title: Romans , Chapter 14
Blaine: Is swine the only thing that produces
this susecptibility to cancer? There are many foods popular
today besides pigmeat that are forbidden by the OT. Shrimp, for
one. Do you eat shrimp? Does it do the same as pork once it gets in
the blood? And what a
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 5:47
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] new dating for
Turin Shroud
Blaine Borrowman wrote:
-
Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifto
Terry Clifton wrote:
Charles
Perry Locke wrote:
Terry, do you believe that one who is saved
can lose that salvation?
Perry
Wow! That seems like such a simple question, but it would take pages to
give you a complete answer. Put simply, I do not believe that you can
It does answer the question, Terry, but let me take this a step further. Do
you think it is possible that this pastor never really believed in the first
place? Perhaps he just reached the point where he became honest about his
unbelief. I have a hard time imagining that those who truly believe w
jt: I've never stated that children could
not be converted John, what
I am saying is that child prophets and child
prodigies are out of character
for the ministry of God's Spirit in the
Church. Children are not responsible
for their own spiritual life under Judaism
until they are at least
in circles where they teach that
healing is part of the atonement
approximately 5% who come fwd in healing
lines receive healing. Why? Healing is
the children's bread is it not?
judyt
I have trouble equating healing with bread. As to the statistics you
supplied, is a nine
I was beginning to worry about you.
I do not subscribe to the idea of children being born
evil. God said that what He created was "very good." It is our
influences and actions as we age that corrupts us. Jesus said that we need
the innocence of a child to receive the Kingdom of God.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: Divination and deception are one and the
same. Why just assume that demons will not work through a child?
Everyone who comes into this world has a fallen Adamic nature and this
includes every child. Usually it doesn't take long for it t
From: "Marlin Halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The family members of those who are called, children and
spouses,
are sanctified by the believing family member. They
are made clean and holy.
jt: Sanctified in 1 Cor 7:14 means set apart
for God to work upon; the
ones who are in unbelief s
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not a good reputation, on this website at least and I
have a problem with anyone claiming to "cure people" by nutrition
alone. Where there is sickness there is always a sin issue.
Where did you get this idea?
jt: From scripture, rea
The family members of those who are called, children and
spouses, are sanctified by the believing family member. They are made
clean and holy.
Now, that woman in Texas who murdered her children and
quoted scripture to justify her actions had a train of thought such as you have
express
What are the odds that God had something specific to do with this story (originally from Terry, I believe)?
In a message dated 4/11/2004 6:25:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little girl
>prayed
> > that God
Chris wrote:
> Also, I don't know ANY incurable diseases. As one
> of my early mentors and teachers, Dr. John Christopher,
> noted, "There are no incurable diseases but there are
> incurable people." Again, you don't make sense speaking
> of someone recovering from Crohn's and then calling it
John wrote:
> I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little girl
prayed
> that God would let her have identical twin brothers. Her mother was not
> pregnant, was not planning to be pregnant, and there were not twins in
the
> family.
>
> About a year later, the mother gave birt
Chris, being in the herbal, holistic, alternative medicinal field, I am sure
you have heard or read about the unconventional, but very successful
diagnoses and cures by Edgar Casey. What do you think about his early work
as a healer?
An honest answer would be appreciated, not a sidestep avoidin
Lance wrote:
> Please tell us with as much clarity and precision as
> is possible the THIS you're believing.
> ... don't quote scripture.
I'll try to take a few minutes to explain my basic understanding, but I
sure hope that this does not sound like I am trying to be divisive.
Please consider wha
In a message dated 4/11/2004 12:37:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: Divination and deception are one and the same. Why just assume
that demons will not work through a child? Everyone who comes
into this world has a fallen Adamic nature and this includes every
child. U
In a message dated 4/11/2004 11:40:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Go read and MEDITATE on II Corinthians 10, then obey verses 5 and 6 in particular.
Chris, are you one of those pentecostal preachers that hands out targets at the door to those who visit your church? Su
In a message dated 4/11/2004 10:22:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not a good reputation, on this website at least and I have a problem with anyone
claiming to "cure people" by nutrition alone. Where there is sickness there is always
a sin issue.
Where did you get this i
In a message dated 4/11/2004 10:00:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lots of folks spend "much time in the word" but not so much (or very much at all IF at all) with The Author (also the Finisher of faith) -- The Living Word -- so they fall exceedingly short in the truth depa
I'm proud of you, kid. Your post has some good info -- several points I had was not aware of. Thanks
In His Grace
John
In case you are wondering -- this is Chris' remarks concerning the book of James (Yacov).
In a message dated 4/11/2004 9:46:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 4/11/2004 9:12:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm wondering if all pastors use 1 Cor 8:1-4 to cover what they
don't have answers for.
Actually, judyt, I don't know any pastors that do this.
My daughter in TX who has four young
impressionable childr
Marlin,
Here is a lesson for us on discernment
when it comes to negative, accusing, evil-speaking, reviling, hateful people:
To the pure, all things are pure;
but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind
and their conscience are defiled. (Titus
jt: Divination and deception are one and the
same. Why just assume
that demons will not work through a child?
Everyone who comes
into this world has a fallen Adamic nature and this
includes every
child. Usually it doesn't take long for it to
express itself either. judyt
From: "Marlin Ha
The answered prayers of a child are cause to suspect
demons? I think not.
jt: Of course I can understand everyone being happy
for the family
but it's important that we understand God's ways
because right now
the Church is full of divination and nobody seems to
know or care
Oh. Yes. Somebody with that name claimed to be
the author of the piece. I do not know anything about him. But you
are welcome to do your own search to find out. I like to know the source
of an article.
> BTW was that the same Tim Stevenson or are there> two of
them? judyt
Wh
From: "Chris Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\o/
!HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !!
"Pseudo Science"?!? Wrong again, JT.
So, what's wrong with the info cited? I couldn't have put it much
better or more succinctly myself.
jt: Where there is sickness there is always a s
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Terry, do you believe that one who is saved can lose that salvation?
Perry
-
Wow! That seems like such a simple question, but it would take pages to
give you a complete answer. Put simply, I do not be
\o/ !HALALUYah!
\o/
Greetings in the Matchless
Name of YahShua !!
"Pseudo
Science"?!? Wrong again, JT.
So, what's wrong with the info cited? I couldn't
have put it much better or more succinctly myself.
Where there is sickness there is always
a sin issue.
Wrong yet again, JT
Title: Romans , Chapter 14
Lance, Thanks for taking up for me. Yes,
that was my point; the author was cured of an “incurable” disease. However,
I don’t hold it against Chris, as he can’t help but behave like
what is inside of him, which is a lot of anger. He is sinning against the Lord,
not
Title: Romans , Chapter 14
\o/ !HALALU
Yah!
\o/
Greetings in
the Matchless Name of YahShua [that's the
name Jesus was called by His
mom,
dad, brothers, sisters, disciples and others who loved
Him] !!
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Is this the man you champion here Chris?
Not a good reputation, on this website at least and I
have a problem with anyone
claiming to "cure people" by nutrition alone.
Where there is sickness there is always
a sin issue. Also God is the healer and any
healing by other means is divination.
M
From: "Marlin Halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>It
was a child's expectant prayer to God. Nothing more. Nothing
less.
Nobody made any big deal about it. We all just smiled and were happy
forthe family about their blessing.
jt: Of course I can understand everyone being happy for
the family
Title: Romans , Chapter 14
Chris: I have no reason to imagine that your
demeanour in person is better than that which you exhibit here. You owe
Izzy an apology. "Cure" is a "short-term" word at best'. All that health
care of any kind can do is prolong life/delay death. This, I believe is a
r
\o/ !HALALUYah!
\o/
Greetings in the Matchless
Name of YahShua !!
I spend much time in the word, Chris.
...
POP QUIZ ...
Fill in the blank ...
"Howbeit, when ...
a.) the word, the completed canon of Scripture, is come, it
b.) He, The Spirit of Truth, is come, He
... will
\o/ !HALALUYah!
\o/
Greetings in the Matchless
Name of YahShua !!
OK, I'll start ...
The book of Yacov ... y'all probably still think this NT book was written
by and named after 'James' ...
"Yacov, a servant of The Mighty One and of Adonay YahShua Messiah, to the twelve tribes
whi
Title: Romans , Chapter 14
Chris,
As much as I agree with what you are
trying to say, at least in theory, your constant attacks against medical
scientific research (which is FREE online, as I have provided in a previous
post), makes you impossible to discourse with.
Izzy
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From: "Judy Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:18 PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little
> girl prayed that God would l
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little
girl prayed that God would let her have identical twin brothers.
Her mother was not pregnant, was not planning to be pregnant,
and there were not twins in the family. About a year later, the
mother gave
Oh John!!
I'm wondering if all pastors use 1 Cor 8:1-4 to
cover what they
don't have answers for. My daughter in TX who has
four young
impressionable children was assured by their Baptist
pastor that it
is OK to go out and celebrate the devils holiday at
Halloween just so
long as they don't
Title: Romans , Chapter 14
\o/ !HALALU
Yah!
\o/
Greetings in
the Matchless Name of YahShua [that's the
name Jesus was called by His
mom,
dad, brothers, sisters, disciples and others who loved
Him] !!
The Saviour rose much, MUCH more than 50
years ago ... does that make it irre
In a message dated 4/11/2004 8:56:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little girl prayed
that God would let her have identical twin brothers. Her mother was not
pregnant, was not planning to be pregnant, and there were n
I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little girl prayed
that God would let her have identical twin brothers. Her mother was not
pregnant, was not planning to be pregnant, and there were not twins in the
family.
About a year later, the mother gave birth to identical twin boys.
In a message dated 4/11/2004 8:51:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That would be "rile" ... too bad about the right and wrong thing indeed ... you and the Smithsonian both put up a good front but it is all for show and telling rather than about ultimate truth.
What do yo
In a message dated 4/11/2004 6:40:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David Miller is the only one on this list
that I have met in person, and we did not get an opportunity to spend as
much time together as I would have liked, but I can guarantee you
without reservation that
In a message dated 4/11/2004 8:42:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh, John Smithson, you have been fooled by the enemy due to bad experience with UPC (Under Privileged Children). An exceedingly vile and wicked organization with yet a few of the children of The Almighty mix
\o/ !HALALUYah!
\o/
Greetings Amy in the Matchless
Name of YahShua !!
I'm telling you all that this Chris Barr guy is a
brainieac, well versed in bibilical studies, one of a few who actually
understands his own claimed theology and loves to wrile people up
(Dennis the Menace complex
\o/ !HALALUYah!
\o/
Greetings in the Matchless
Name of YahShua !!
Oh, John Smithson, you have been fooled by the enemy due to bad experience
with UPC (Under Privileged Children). An exceedingly vile and wicked
organization with yet a few of the children of The Almighty mixed in
perha
In a message dated 4/11/2004 7:01:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How does church attendance affect one's political party? From WorldNetDaily:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595055302,00.html Izzy
Interesting article. I am not trying to start a political deba
In a message dated 4/11/2004 5:38:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I like that, John. Izzy
I leave well enough along.
John
Thank you. I must say that I mean DavidM nothing but good. He is genuine in his personal effort spent on being a passonate follower of Chr
In a message dated 4/11/2004 4:10:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At the consummation of the age do we go to heaven or, does heaven come to
us? Did Jesus assume the pre or post fallen nature of Adam at the
Incarnation? Is human nature comprised of one, two or three "parts"
Perry, LOL! I certainly hope Gretchen is not "clairvoyant". However, I like
to think that either the Lord spoke through her, or perhaps we are seeing an
inkling of a future prophetic ministry. Izzy
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles
How does church attendance affect one's political party? From WorldNetDaily:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595055302,00.htmlIzzy
--
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.I
Jim,
Thanks for the easter wishes, but why would you even spend 2 seconds
forwarding the vile message attached to your post? It was totally
unnecessary, did not pertain to truth talk at all, and totally destroyed the
tone of your easter wishes. For a Christian, it sure seems like you have a
Actually, Izzy, she had a 50% chance on the getting the first right, and a
50% chance of getting the second right, apart from the first, but only a 25%
chance of getting them both right. Isn't math wonderful?
However, I think her getting the 25% chance right is just that...pure
chance. I know y
He is risen.
The most important three nwords ever spoken
Terry
Lance Muir wrote:
At the consummation of the age do we go to heaven or, does heaven come to
us? Did Jesus assume the pre or post fallen nature of Adam at the
Incarnation? Is human nature comprised of one, two or three "parts" (body,
soul, spirit)? The rapture? Does what/how we believe influence ho
Terry, do you believe that one who is saved can lose that salvation?
Perry
From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:27:46 -0500
Judy Taylor wrote:
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL
Lance, You just described David Miller perfectly.
That's why I agree with him. Izzy
-Original Message-
Have you ever met Someone… whose life (lives) are so utterly genuine as
to be humbling when in their
presence?
I like that, John. Izzy
I leave well enough
along.
John
At the consummation of the age do we go to heaven or, does heaven come to
us? Did Jesus assume the pre or post fallen nature of Adam at the
Incarnation? Is human nature comprised of one, two or three "parts" (body,
soul, spirit)? The rapture? Does what/how we believe influence how we live?
Yes. Thi
SAINTS:
THIS IS THE OBJECT OF ALL PREACHING TO SINNERS, DISCUSSION AND ENCOURAGING
OF THE SAINTS---THE CONVICTION OF SIN, EVEN IF THE LISTENERS, IN THE WORDS OF ROMANS
10, QUOTING FROM ISAIAH, SAY: "WHO HATH BELIEVED YOUR REPORT?"
HAPPY EASTER!! CHRIST HATH RISEN; CHRIST W
David said: "Seems like too many think it too rude to tell David Miller that
he is wrong about THIS and why he is wrong." Please tell us with as much
clarity and precision as is possible the THIS you're believing. With
apologies in advance to those who find this objectionable, don't quote
scriptur
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