Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

2005-08-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
DAVEH: Why would you think that is LDS logic to assume such, Kevin? bborrow26 Sat, 26 Feb 2005 07:00:52 -0800On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:41:53 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 2/25/2005 5:09:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The LDS Church will continue to

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-08-01 Thread Dave
why would He make that particular relatively tiny spot His dwelling place DAVEH: Izzydo you believe the Lord dwells in you? ShieldsFamily wrote: Blaine, Dont you think that since God created the stars that we observe, He dwells outside of that realm? The Milky Way

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

2005-08-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
If the fastest growing Church indicates some measure of truth or God's favor, what does the slide in membership indicate?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Why would you think that is LDS logic to assume such, Kevin? Read through the posts regarding this thread. You will see my (and Blaine's)

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

2005-08-01 Thread Dave
So using LDS "Logic" We see without a DOUBT the RCC "MUST BE THE ONE TRUE CHURCH" DAVEH: You seem to be confusing the facts (of what was posted) to fit your illogical conclusion, Kevin. What Blaine said about the relatively rapid growth of the LDS Church is of no relevance to the size or

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

2005-08-01 Thread knpraise
deegan and I are clearly not in the same boat BUT. I do think you are missing the point he is making on this, DH. blaine has hung his hat (not entirely, of course) on Mormorn growth rate and sees the Mormon religion as just that - a religion. I was thinking that the claim was that Mormonism is

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

2005-08-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
Sounds like it is rife throughout the LDS community, why else would some GET ANGY over statements that Church growth is on a slide? Can you come up with an alternat conclusion? Several readers were so unhappy to read these findings that they cancelled their subscriptions to the newspaper. To us,

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology from a Heretic

2005-08-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
Religion in America: A Christian thorn speaks out Read the rest here: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/050719/19religion.htm Q. You don't believe in virgin birth. You don't believe in the Resurrection. You don't believe that Jesus is the son of God. What kind of Christian are you?

Re: [TruthTalk] Halloween parade freaks out

2005-08-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
Abortion float freaks out city's Halloween paradeFake bloody fetuses, mutilated body parts placing annual holiday event in jeopardy Editor's note: Some images on external links within this story contain graphic material. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45538 While

Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit

2005-08-01 Thread Debbie Sawczak
David: here is a response--and maybe a bulkier one than you would've liked, sorry!--to your three questions to me about spirit. For anyone not into the topic: feel free to ignore. 1) Yes, I agree without hesitation that there is such a thing as spirit. There are beings who are not material.

[TruthTalk] An American Is:

2005-08-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
To Kill an American You probably missed it in the rush of news last week, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American. So an Australian dentist wrote the following to

RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

2005-08-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Yes, but His throne doesnt. J iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:06 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death why would He make that particular relatively tiny spot His

RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit

2005-08-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Nice thoughtful reply, Debbie. I look forward to DMs response. I must add a comment regarding Bills statement that often complicated just means something new or different. I agree at times. But most of the time complicated theology takes many paragraphs or pages to explain (or in my

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology from a Heretic

2005-08-01 Thread Terry Clifton
This is a Christian in name only. In reality, he is as lost as a billy goat. Terry Kevin Deegan wrote: Religion in America: A Christian thorn speaks out Read the rest here: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/050719/19religion.htm Q. You don't believe in virgin birth. You

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology from a Heretic

2005-08-01 Thread Judy Taylor
I'll say - and the billy goat is IMO in much better shape. jt On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:02:45 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a Christian in name only. In reality, he is as lost as a billy goat.TerryKevin Deegan wrote: Religion in America: A Christian

RE: [TruthTalk] Theology from a Heretic

2005-08-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Matt 25:31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

2005-08-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
Looks like the official LDS site might have gotten it wrong after all! http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-24,00.html The Church of Jesus Christ Will Never Be Destroyed Since its restoration in 1830, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has grown rapidly in membership.

Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit

2005-08-01 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Yes, unfamiliar things require more explanation. Debbie - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:59 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit Nice thoughtful reply, Debbie. I look forward to

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology from a Heretic

2005-08-01 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Well, it depends which way you're facing, eh. Debbie - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Theology from a Heretic Matt 25:31When the Son of man

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-08-01 Thread ttxpress
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:13:53 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Youre absolutely right, JD. G. writes at a first grade level. iz.. (..Even a little child should be able to grasp the truths that are essential to salvation.)

Re: [TruthTalk] An American Is:

2005-08-01 Thread ttxpress
by some eliteelsewhere not an Aborigine; as long ashisgov't'sobedient, they getsome money--Pavlov 101 and, ftr,that ain't much help to the saintsacc to the Ap Paul e.g.: When the owners of the slave girl realized that their hope of making money was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-08-01 Thread knpraise
Wow -- you really know how to hurt a guy!! I have several grandchildrenwhouse the every same tactic -- and it seems to be just as effective. JD On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:13:53 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You?re absolutely right, JD. G. writes at a first grade level.

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology from a Heretic

2005-08-01 Thread knpraise
Perspective , perspective, perspective. If I am headed in the same direction as others, the left , or much of it, is on the right. JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:30:34 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-08-01 Thread ttxpress
kids are like dogs the first few years...ever seen a G-m at work in bAwana? Pavlov'd love it (and he reallyknew how togivehis Bowser a belly ache) On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:57:56 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow -- you really know how to hurt a guy!! I have several

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-08-01 Thread knpraise
Often, little dogs grow up to be -- alas--- big dogs. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:21:23 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 kids are like dogs the first few years...ever seen a G-m at work in bAwana?

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-08-01 Thread ttxpress
let's be Frank and Ernest...no, let's be Paul and Silas..(it's the 1st grader in me..when i grow up, someday, i'm gonna kick Pavlov's dog...among other of his pets:) On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:33:16 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Often, little dogs grow up to be -- alas--- big

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-08-01 Thread ttxpress
he's got his own zoo..spans from Australia to America and back..andinto even where no man's gone before.. On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:40:30 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: let's be Frank and Ernest...no, let's be Paul and Silas..(it's the 1st grader in me..when i grow up, someday, i'm

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

2005-08-01 Thread ttxpress
..andcarte blancheat the Disneyland Hotel.. On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:53:11 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: he's got his own zoo..spans from Australia to America and back..andinto even where no man's gone before.. On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:40:30 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

2005-08-01 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deegan and I are clearly not in the same boat BUT. I do think you are missing the point he is making on this, DH. blaine has hung his hat (not entirely, of course) on Mormorn growth rate DAVEH: I didn't quite see it that way. If Blaine believes

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

2005-08-01 Thread Dave
DAVEH: Do you truly believe the LDS Church is not growing, Kevin? Kevin Deegan wrote: Looks like the official LDS site might have gotten it wrong after all! http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-24,00.html The Church of Jesus Christ Will Never Be Destroyed Since its

Re: [TruthTalk] The LDS Jesus needed to be saved!

2005-08-01 Thread Dave
DAVEH: I don't think it is appropriate for me to respond to this as per the request of another LDS TTer, Blainesorry. (Nor do I feel compelled to discuss it with Kevin, but for other reasons.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/28/2005 12:06:59 A.M. Mountain