jah mocked the prophets of Baal and went on to appear with Moses at the Mt. of Transfiguration.
The Proverb says "fools mock at sin" Kevin is mocking error like Elijah. jt
On Sat, 14 May 2005 22:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Fools mockKevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot
oman.
Gen 10:13 also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
RB says "at no time is he referred to as a brother because he's not."
That is right, he never was a brother. Can you find a verse?
What was Satan's Inheritance that he lost?
What verses show his inheri
] wrote:
Here we go again..
The anger of God (Satan) moved David to number Israel against the advice of his military Cmdr
2 Sam 2:41 and 1 Chr 21:1 are saying the same thing; there is NO error.
On Sat, 14 May 2005 12:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
THE HOLY BIBLE Errors
piritually discerned. jt
On Sat, 14 May 2005 16:07:46 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Bible is indeed reflective of the humanity that wrote it.
From: Bothoms
THE HOLY BIBLE Errors
If you still doubt the apostasy (some would call it the dark ages), you need look no fu
I was quoting Ether.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your out of CONTEXT there Ray, it has to do with SIN
FOOLS mock at sinBothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Raymond: Judy, Do you really believe that he is 'mocking' in the same way? Do you really?
"And when I had said this, the
I did and my reply was suited to it.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read the rest of the post!
Izzy: Raymond, Have you not read the book of Exodus, or do you just disagree with it when it says the Lord hardened Pharaohs heart?
See the ? that indicates a QUESTION
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Raymond: It sounds like anger to me. Probably brought about because some people seek to harass us, intimidate us, threaten us, mock us, and refuse to leave us alone. Some people challenge us over and over. We answer, but it's as though
atians 1:8) - which is pretty strong IMO. judyt
On Sun, 15 May 2005 07:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy--
Jesus teaches us to have forgiveness in our hearts, not to be stupid.What they have done in the past; they have done again and again. I expect it will continue.
As for
quoted verses that say that Pharaoh hardened his own heart. Go back and read it . And not just selectively read it.
Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK the question was do you just disagree with it when it says the Lord hardened Pharaohs heart?
and?
Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I did
Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bothoms wrote:
Judy: Here we go again..
The anger of God (Satan) moved David to number Israel against the advice of his military Cmdr
2 Sam 2:41 and 1 Chr 21:1 are saying the same thing; there is NO error.
Raymond: Good try. At least you made an attempt to
to make it. judyt
On Sun, 15 May 2005 06:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Raymond: It sounds like anger to me. Probably brought about because some people seek to harass us, intimidate us, threaten us, mock us, and refuse to leave us alone. Some people challenge us over and over. We
and Satan) not spring, as it were, from the same 'loins'?
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Sent: May 12, 2005 17:41
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Kevin--
You are right. The short answer is--no. But, a short answer doesn't
Are you having problems reading English? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
'I agree'? There's never a linguist around when you need one.
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Sent: May 12, 2005 18:31
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Perry: Raymond, you are very smooth. You almost had me believing that you worship the same Jesus and God that Terry worships.
Raymond: I worship the Father in the name of His Son Jesus Christ.
Perry: You see, the God of the Bible never was a man.
Raymond: Have you never read that we are created
Izzy: Raymond, Have you not read the book of Exodus, or do you just disagree with it when it says the Lord hardened Pharaohs heart?
Raymond: Yes, I have read Exodus. Take a look at the following
"And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaohs heart was hardened,
er because he's not.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Satan has lost his inheritance and is no longer related to the children of our Father in Heaven -- that includes Jesus.
Were does the Bible teach that Satan is NO LONGER RELATED to his (ex) Brothers Sisters?
Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the erroneous principles he had imbibed through education, and oppose those principles, some might imagine that I opposed to that man, when I am opposed to every evil and erroneous principle he advances." - Brigham Young, - Journal of Discourses 7:191
Am I become your enemy becauseI tell you the truth?
THE GREAT APOSTASY
The gospel has been preached since the times of Adam. Do you remember that Abel offered sacrifices to the Lord? Where do you think that he learned that from? Adam? But how would he know how to offer sacrifices to the Lord? Do you remember the skins of animals given to Adam and
THE HOLY BIBLE Missing BooksIf you still doubt the apostasy (some would call it the dark ages), you need look no further than the Bible itself for it has suffered from it.Books missing from the BibleBook of the Covenant Exodus 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the
THE HOLY BIBLE Errors
If you still doubt the apostasy (some would call it the dark ages), you need look no further than the Bible itself for it has suffered from it.Contraditions--
WHO MOVED DAVID TO NUMBER ISRAEL?
Compare 2Sam 24:1 with 1Chr 21:1
"And again the anger of the LORD was
d blow you out of the water and show you just how sandy a foundation you are built upon.
Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are. It means that you are without knowledge. It's differentfrom the word stupid; which I don't think you are. Why ignorant, because you think you know so much concerning
Raymond: Because according to the Scriptures, Satan can appear almost as an angel of light.
Kevin: Do you work with Blaine?
Raymond: No, but hes a friend of mine.
Kevin: What scripture are you "almost" referring to?
Raymond: Im referring to "... that being who beguiled our first parents, who
Yes.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think you have any idea what keys Elder Bruce R. McConkie held or currently holds.
Since Elder McConkie is Dead does he still hold keys?
Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh come on now-- Have you read the book called Mormon Doctrine? Have you
Raymond: My answers to Kevin's following accusations--
LDS: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints bears the name of our Savior.
Demote God: God is our Eternal Father in Heaven. He presented the Plan of Salvation to us.
Devalue Christ: He is our Messiah, the Lord God Omnipotent. He is
Fools mockKevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
'gods in embryo'
gods in embryo? ROTFL, most of these guys can't run their homes how are they gonna run a planet?Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perry: Raymond, you are very smooth. You almost had me believing that you worship the same Jesus
Are you a nut?Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you noticed? Raymond is not able to answer any questions!
Q What color is your shirt?
A I like golf.
Q Which way to Canada?
A I Drive a chevy.Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Izzy: Raymond, Have you not read the book of Exodus, or do you
Judy: Here we go again..
The anger of God (Satan) moved David to number Israel against the advice of his military Cmdr
2 Sam 2:41 and 1 Chr 21:1 are saying the same thing; there is NO error.
Raymond: Good try. At least you made an attempt to answer the first one. Kevin, Perry, Lance, and
Well said !Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We took a leaf from your founding fathers: Your freedom ends when it encroaches mine.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:07 PM
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Terry: I believe that I am not a Baptist, or a Catholic., or even a protestant. I do not claim to be an Armenian or a Calvinist or any other thing except a follower of my Lord Jesus Christ
Raymond: Im formerly a Southern Baptist. Im a convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
] wrote:
Though somewhat overlong, an answer at last! I believe you just said, yes he is. Am I correct?
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From: Bothoms
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: May 11, 2005 16:45
Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?
Hi Terry
Im glad to see
Jesus is the creator not a creature
Col 1:16-17 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and
Taking isolated things out of context and twisting truth will not help you to win you case. I could do that with the Bible itself. It wouldn't make it right, though.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So you have no problem with all these evil Manifestations in your church?Bothoms [EMAIL
a foundation you are built upon.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who is ignorant?
Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin--
Slander (and ignorance) will get you nowhere.
--RaymondKevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Satans footprints are all over your "religion" because he is
Oh come on now-- Have you read the book called Mormon Doctrine? Have you even seen it? It's one of the most popular books in LDS literature. I've read most of it. There is a lot of great information in it. An angel of light is an angel of God. There is a notation to see: Devil. Why? Because
Well Terry good job, looks like Raymond is ready to repent of his religion and trust in only Jesus for his salvation!
Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Terry: I believe that Satan is a fallen angel, the father of lies.
Raymond: I agree.
Terry: I believe that with at least six thousand years exp
Raymond: I believe that God is in one place at a time, but that His power and influence are vast reaching.
Terry: Does that mean that you do not feel that God, the Holy Spirit resides in each Saint, or that God is not omnipresent?
Raymond: When a portion of the Holy Ghost resides in man, it is
I'm 43, and I'm no novice as you will soon see.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mr. Bothoms:May ask of you your age? You 'sound like a stripling, a youth, a novice, (he goes on ad synonym). When you complete 'elder' McConkie then, call us.
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From: Bothoms
Do you understand DISINHERITED?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If ever he WAS then, he IS!
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From: Bothoms
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: May 13, 2005 16:23
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?
No, you're wrong
ms, and see what God will do for you. I will let you know. Stay tuned, please.Please note: message attachedDate: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:57:02 -0500From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?Bothoms wrote:
Hi Terry
Im
TECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?Bothoms wrote:
Hi Terry
Im glad to see that you are open-minded and willing to let me respond to these questions. If you dont mind, Id like to answer these questions one at a time.
DO LATTER-DAY SAINT
Kevin--
Slander (and ignorance) will get you nowhere.
--RaymondKevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Satans footprints are all over your "religion" because he is the father of it.
Joe was an occultist, "seized" by Satan see JSH 1"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine: Yeah, I read
Terry: I believe that Satan is a fallen angel, the father of lies.
Raymond: I agree.
Terry: I believe that with at least six thousand years experience he is a very good liar and you do not necessarily have to be gullible to be taken in by him.
Raymond: I agree.
Terry: I believe that he is but one
ship! He has become Satan. He is an enemy to us and to God!!
Jesus during His mortal ministry recalled the event.
"And he [Jesus] said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." (Luke 10:18)
RaymondTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bothoms wrote:
Terry--
When it comes to the
Terry--
I took the time to explain to you what my Church teaches on this subject. Please take the time to explain what you believe on this subject.
--RaymondTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bothoms wrote:
Hi Terry
Im glad to see that you are open-minded and willing to let me respond
seem to be many similarities.
Aprons
symbols
handshakes
secrets (sacred in Mormon lingo)
oaths
and on on onBothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
H... It's clear that you are in attack mode. But I would have you know that there major difference between masonic rituals and LDS temple ceremony
Hi DaveH--
Thanks for the welcome. I'm for peaceful discussion, too. I am prepared to defend, though, if I have to. It's my hope to share and realized common ground with many in this group. They may not see eye to eye with me on everything, but if we can agree on some things and respect one
Hi Kevin--
Kevin: The WHOLE Mormon argument is you are missing something.
Raymond: I disagree, our position centers around Jesus Christ restoring His Church and gospel to the Earth in the Latter-days. "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of
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Bothoms wrote: Hi DaveH-- Thanks for the welcome. I'm for peaceful discussion, too. I am prepared to defend, though, if I have to. It's my hope to share and realized common ground with many in this group. They may not see eye to eye with me on everything, but if we can
Hi Izzy--
Don't worry, I'm still breathing. So, should I take it that you don't believe that we can find common ground. Come'on, let's give it a try.
--RaymondShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dont hold your breath, Raymond! LOL!!! Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
Laance--
Hey, that's a start. I can agree with that. So, anyone in the group 'not' human?
--RaymondLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Common ground: We're all human!
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Sent: May 09, 2005 10:37
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Lance--
Does David Miller do your thinking for you? Have you considered the Shroud of Turin? Oh, and for that matter, do WE have any proof that you really exist?
So, for common ground-- Are you attempting to saying that there is a Jesus, ... but that Jesus ISN'T REAL?
--RaymondTerry Clifton
Terry--
I certainly agree with you. There is a God. I know it too. We are His children.
--RaymondTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lance Muir wrote:
Do you wish web pages that demonstrate irrefutably that god does not exist? Will you change your mind?
will get some respect for your views in TT, good luck! For some, respect is not high on the priority list here. Looking forward to more of your posts :-) BTWwhere do you live? Bothoms wrote:
Hi DaveH--
Thanks for the welcome. I'm for peaceful discussion, too. I am prepared to defend, though
Thanks for the welcome, Izzy.
Hey, where's my hat... ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Welcome to TT Raymond--and hold onto your hat! Izzy-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 7:56 PMTo:
Terry: If not for the street preachers who take the trouble on TT and elsewhere to teach the truth, I would not have known just how screwed up your religion was. Who would have ever imagined holy skivvies? With pictures yet!
Raymond: There are outer garments worn in the temple and under garments
anti-Mormon literature. You should spend more time learning truth.Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Holey skivvies with masonic emblems on them...the square and the compass. Tools of the craft.From: Bothoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: Tru
choose to disagree. I will be careful to likewise respect any of your beliefs that I might differ with. And may the Lord bless each of us with greater knowledge and understanding.
--RaymondTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bothoms wrote: Raymond: There are outer garments worn in the temple
to discuss it. But let's approach it in a way that the Lord would approve of-- so the Spirit can guide us. May the Lord's will be done, not yours or mine.Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bothoms wrote: Terry-- Some non-LDS Christians insist that these things are secret. They are not secret
Terry--
When it comes to the beliefs of my Church (what you call Mormonism), what is your biggest grievence? and why?
--RaymondTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bothoms wrote: Terry-- I can understand you viewpoint, but please realize that I believe these teachings to be true otherwise
That's what I meant.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I cant say that I respect your beliefs, Raymondonly your right to have them. Izzy
I also ask that you, at least respect my beliefs, even if you choose to disagree.
--Raymond
Perry: Like baptism for the dead. man-to-god. Secret names, grips, tokens, and penalties. Dave, have you ever given any of the freemason, I mean mormon death signs? Dragging you thumb across your throat, chest, or abdomen, indicating what you agree will be done to you if you reveal what you
Hi Blaine--
It's good to be posting with you again. We make a good team. I also look forward to reading DaveH's posts. Are the three of us the only LDS here?
--Raymond"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BLAINE: Amen, Raymond, Amen. We needed some new blood on TT. These guys been gangin'
Hi Kevin--
I'm an LDS Christian and I do not follow 'cunningly devised fables.' I would appreciate it if you explain yourself further. Do you think this is the difference between LDS Christians and non-LDS Christians? What 'cunningly devised fables' are you referring to? I would point out that
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