RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-10 Thread Jonathan Hughes
.  This saddens me and others on this forum.    Jonathan       From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false  

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-10 Thread Lance Muir
over our last Prime Minister. From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 09, 2004 18:55 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false > Lance gets political and says: > > From someone who is likely to re-elect a sin

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/9/2004 7:05:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is not a rumour.  It was instituted in Bill C250.  This is the section in our criminal code that speaks against hate crimes/propaganda.  It amended the law to add that one may not incite hatred towards someo

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/9/2004 4:53:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I said this: tad bit on the arrogant side of the ledger, me thinks.  You might not agree with Izzy, being Canadian and all, but her defense of country (her country, not yours) is understandable.   Apparently y

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
You obviously aren’t from Missouri.  Remember Harry Truman? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Judy Taylor
Hi Terry, you write: For what it's worth guys, you both have valid points.  There was no sickness until there was sin.  Put another way, sickness entered the picture because sin entered the picture.  Sickness is plainly one of the penalties for sin.  Having siad that, let me point out that no

[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Judy Taylor
AIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:17 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy has made many comments on the link

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Bill c250 you will see a lot of information on it.   Jonathan   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   In a

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/9/2004 1:16:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So why didnât you answer my questionâI really want to hear from you that this rumor was false. Izzy   Actually I have heard the same thing from a number of pastors who insist that they know it to be true. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/9/2004 1:02:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OR it could just be the next best thing to a good punch in the nose. Izzy Easy does, girl.  Peace not war.  You have ruffled my feathers (yes, genuine chi chi chicken).  John

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote: From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy has made many comments on the link between sin and illness.  I believe her viewpoint to be completely unbiblical and extremely hurtful to those that live with illness regardless of the severity.    jt: I agre

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Jonathan Hughes
ability to be loving; perhaps it is time for the truth.   Jonathan   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   From

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Jonathan Hughes
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   In a message dated 6/9/2004 5:58:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Christ -- the real vs false Lance gets political and says: > From someone who is likely to re-elect a sincere > but pretty stupid fundamentalist Christian to be > the 'world leader' for four more years ... 1. Bush is not a fundamentalist. 2. Bush is not stupid. Please

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Jonathan Hughes
PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   Just keep in mind, Jonathan, how you might feel if you watched an unprovoked assault on your nation with 3000 innocent Canadians killed by perverts who just hate you for being Canadians, and then someone said to you with a

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread David Miller
Lance gets political and says: > From someone who is likely to re-elect a sincere > but pretty stupid fundamentalist Christian to be > the 'world leader' for four more years ... 1. Bush is not a fundamentalist. 2. Bush is not stupid. Please try to substantiate your characterizations or retra

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
Sigh of relief.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   Izzy:Relax. We ain't been sucked down the vort

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
opper in our store.         - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 09, 2004 16:15 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false So why didn’t you answer my question—I really want to hear from you that this

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   Aye thank you Lance,   However I am afraid that the message will fall on deaf ears or else you will be

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
Christ -- the real vs false   Just two eh? Hardly a groundswell. Sort of like 'The Mouse that Roared' with Peter Sellers.     - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 09, 2004 15:31 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Me

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
I believe God still forgives venial sins. Iz     You ended a sentence with a preposition in spite of your edumucation.

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
  OR it could just be the next best thing to a good punch in the nose. Izzy To act out a feeling of offense is a manipulative effort at silencing the opposition.   A friend JDavid

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
Just two eh? Hardly a groundswell. Sort of like 'The Mouse that Roared' with Peter Sellers.     - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 09, 2004 15:31 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   Izzy:Read Jonathan's two excellent posts again. I fear that this 'religious spirit' has clouded yout judgment, at least when it comes to the US of A. - Original Message -

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/9/2004 11:41:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John: Not one of my 'opinions' is inspired. They are just that, opinions. I'd always want for them to be subjected to the severest critique. Great.  My here is done.  Back to the job site. David, John

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/9/2004 11:53:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You ended a sentence with a preposition in spite of your edumucation. I know AND IT FELT GOOD DOING IT 11   jds

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/9/2004 5:58:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of my points to Izzy (I believe it was missed) was that in the past 4 months I have been on TT she has flitted around discussing the more superficial topics leaving the doctrinal debates for others.  Then w

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
You ended a sentence with a preposition in spite of your edumucation. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 09, 2004 14:45 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false Now, here with this post, I

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Knpraise
Now, here with this post, I very much agree with Lance.  We (the US) are not a "Christian nation."   We are a nation with a whole bunch of Christians.  The religious tenets that formed the foundation of our nation are, without question, being eroded.   And, if the trend does not stop, there will

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
Replying (this time) to: JDavid:Point well made and, it didn't even make me angry.  - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 09, 2004 14:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false In a me

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/9/2004 2:56:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John: Not one of my 'opinions' is inspired. They are just that, opinions. I'd always want for them to be subjected to the severest critique. Hope you understood what I was pointing to  --  that opinion is opi

[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judyt:An aside re Deut 28,29. I believe some of this has been previously addressed but, would you continue to stone a recalcitrant youth? etc. Does Jesus' birth,baptism, temptation,  life, death, resurrection, ascension, and ongoing Mediation include th

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
oever? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 09, 2004 09:16 Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy has made many comments on the link betwee

[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy has made many comments on the link between sin and illness.  I believe her viewpoint to be completely unbiblical and extremely hurtful to those that live with illness regardless of the severity.    jt: I agree Jonathan that sickness is hurtfu

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
exual.  Is that possible??? That would certainly make the Bible illegal.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:40 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- th

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Jonathan Hughes
;t participate in a 'religious spirit'. I believe that this is not of God..  - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 07, 2004 19:33 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   My, my, l

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   Follow up: When a sufficient number (?) of people (countries) dislike you

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
ous spirit'. I believe that this is not of God..  - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 07, 2004 19:33 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false My, my, lots of political stews today.  M

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false In a message dated 6/8/2004 9:25:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Izzy:Sorry, God did not put GWB into office you did.An opinion no more inspired than Izzy's.John

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/8/2004 10:07:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surprise, my furriner brother!  You have no idea just how often I have done that, mostly with posts from you and G.  It's not that I have anything against y'all.  I just cannot comprehend how either of you thi

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/8/2004 9:25:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Izzy:Sorry, God did not put GWB into office you did. An opinion no more inspired than Izzy's. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Lance Muir
Terry: Sorry, Terry what I said IS what the Bible teaches (as I see it). - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 08, 2004 13:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false Lance Muir wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Izzy:Sorry, God did not put GWB into office you did. = Sorry Lance.  That is not what the Bible teaches.  Our votes are just a formality. Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Lance Muir
ation of Christ -- the real vs false   Terry:Why not take the advice to you gave to me? Just delete and, move on to matters that you estimate to be worthy of placing fingers on a keyboard?  

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Terry Clifton
  Terry:Why not take the advice to you gave to me? Just delete and, move on to matters that you estimate to be worthy of placing fingers on a keyboard?   Lance Surprise, my furriner brother!  You have no

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Lance Muir
Izzy:Sorry, God did not put GWB into office you did. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 08, 2004 10:55 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false Lance, Perhaps Powell or Cheyney would have

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh, did Rush say that, too? (Happy thought!) :-) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   Izzy:Too much

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
his own in any debate with your current President.   Lance From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 07, 2004 15:43 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   Lance, Some Americans (myself included) would consider this to

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Lance Muir
of thinking and speaking. But, if it 'works' for you then keep at it.   jt: Would you also say that the Lord has other "faithful servants" who operate outside of a basic Biblical framework and who are loose and immoral in their way of thinking and speaking Lance?

[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Judy Taylor
y that the Lord has other "faithful servants" who operate outside of a basic Biblical framework and who are loose and immoral in their way of thinking and speaking Lance?  From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 08, 2004 08:07 Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediat

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Lance Muir
ED] Sent: June 08, 2004 08:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/7/2004 6:27:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If it offends you to hear that (in my opinion) part of what

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Lance Muir
d fundamentalist framework. It's a comfortable though somewhat restrictive and moralistic way of thinking and speaking. But, if it 'works' for you then keep at it.   Lance   - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 08, 200

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/7/2004 7:42:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I take offense and find it a bit smug of you to make the comment above. It is easy to sit in your armchair, far removed from the action, and call someone stupid. Bush has had

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/7/2004 6:27:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If it offends you to hear that (in my opinion) part of what Torrance is serving as meat is in reality nothing more than horse apples, I suggest you learn to poke the delete key

[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance Muir wrote to Terry: My hero is neither. From one 'leading authority' to another allow me to suggest that you check out TFT. He's considered  by some, to be the leading theologian in the English speaking world for the 20 century.   jt: So? Who are these "some?" They must not be well kno

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Lance Muir
Izzy:Too much Rush. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 07, 2004 16:03 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false Lance, your political astuteness is dwarfed only by your humility. Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-08 Thread Lance Muir
Lance From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 07, 2004 15:43 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false Lance, Some Americans (myself included) would consider this to be another arrogant Canadian insult. Some of us are of the opinion

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/7/2004 5:40:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It would be hard to make a convincing argument that we are a Christian nation, but people do not fly planes into buildings because we are sinful or arrogant.  They fly planes into buildings because they are stu

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/7/2004 4:39:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My, my, lots of political stews today.  My advice: actually listen to what others think of America; it just may be true.  It may be false but people flew planes into buildings to get you to realize something. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/7/2004 7:42:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I take offense and find it a bit smug of you to make the comment above. It is easy to sit in your armchair, far removed from the action, and call someone stupid. Bush has had a tough row to hoe, and I think h

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/7/2004 7:24:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: J&T: How 'bout a website hosted by y'all. People would write outlining the 'teaching' in question. Then, kind of like Ebert &Roeper, (thumbs up/down) you could pronounce on it to the benefit of the world at lar

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/7/2004 6:27:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If it offends you to hear that (in my opinion) part of what Torrance is serving as meat is in reality nothing more than horse apples, I suggest you learn to poke the delete key at least once.  This is a discuss

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/7/2004 2:54:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wouldn't want to be trying to stand in 'the day of the Lord' holding on to "but Torrance said" would you?? I am currently reading Torrence.   So far there is nothing in his worded ministry that tells me he

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   My, my, lots of political stews today.  My advice: actually listen to what others think of America; it just may be true.  It may be false but people flew planes into buildings to get you to realize something.  (By the way I

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Terry Clifton
Jonathan Hughes wrote: My, my, lots of political stews today.  My advice: actually listen to what others think of America; it just may be true.  It may be false but people flew planes into buildings to get you to realize something.  (By the way I think it was to get the Western w

[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Judy Taylor
me.  Either change the name of the thread or actually begin discussing the Mediation of Christ.   Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:43 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the rea

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Jonathan Hughes
TED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   Lance, Some Americans (myself included) would consider this to be another arrogant Canadian insult. Some of us are of the opinion that President Bush, with his academic credentials included, is a LOT smarter than those

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Or PM Martin, God forbid. -Original Message- I shudder to think how 9/11 and the days that followed would have been handled by Al Gore, or, heaven forbid, by John Kerry!!! Call me what you will...I will take a Bush over a Gore or a Kerry ANY day. Perry, not as moderator -

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, Some Americans (myself included) would consider this to be another arrogant Canadian insult. Some of us are of the opinion that President Bush, with his academic credentials included, is a LOT smarter than those who choose to insult him because they disagree with his policies (which

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
ROFL J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Good morning Lance.  My missive was a question. The question was," Is your hero a false teacher, or simply ignorant?"(Choose one).   You apparently overlooked that question mark. It w

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Chris Barr
\o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/  Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !!   It is true that he looks good when compared to Clinton or Kerry ...   Looks can be deceiving.   Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH, (Bless The LORD)  Bro. Chris a servant of

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
Terry: Pay more attention then. You've missed this concerning the 'enlightened' one. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 07, 2004 11:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false L

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Terry: My hero is neither. From one 'leading authority' to another allow me to suggest that you check out TFT. He's considered to be, by some, (not by you I know but, then you haven't read him) to be the leading theologian in the English speaking world for the 20 c

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: J&T: How 'bout a website hosted by y'all. People would write outlining the 'teaching' in question. Then, kind of like Ebert & Roeper, (thumbs up/down) you could pronounce on it to the benefit of the world at large. Or, on a scale of 1-5 horse apples, you could w

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 07, 2004 10:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false > >Lance wrote to Terry: > > From someone who is likely to re-e

Re: Moderator comment: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 07, 2004 10:36 Subject: Moderator comment: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false > >From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Terry: My hero is neither. From one 'leading authority&#x

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance wrote to Terry: From someone who is likely to re-electa sincere but pretty stupid fundamentalist Christian to be the 'world leader' for four more years... I take offense and find it a bit smug of you to make the comment above. It is easy to sit in your armchair, far removed from the actio

Moderator comment: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Terry: My hero is neither. From one 'leading authority' to another allow me to suggest that you check out TFT. He's considered to be, by some, (not by you I know but, then you haven't read him) to be the leading theologian in the English speaking world for

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
L PROTECTED] Sent: June 07, 2004 10:04 Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am not real certain Judy.  I would like to think that the false teacher would have to be deliberately teaching false doctrine t

[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am not real certain Judy.  I would like to think that the false teacher would have to be deliberately teaching false doctrine to in some way benefit himself instead of the Lord, but that can not cover all the bases. There are some teaching obvious lies

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
yours do I read them with a smile. I don't need to hit delete.   - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 07, 2004 09:26 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false Lance Muir wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Hi Terry/Judy:TF a false teacher? This then would indicate that you two have read or listened to him with sufficient care and thoughtfulness to have distinguished the true from the false (according to your own perception of the truth). If circumstances could be

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
y, if you truly don't know that this is so then, I need to give you a 'pass' on such such matters.. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 07, 2004 08:42 Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Judy Taylor
You said all that to say what Lance? That the wisdom of scripture/Bible is unreliable or that people (genuine believing Christians IYO) are hopelessly sinful and ignorant?  I would point out that the Church was into apostasy by the 2nd century and that most of what you mention below took pla

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: June 07, 2004 07:52 Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judyt:Do you honestly believe, even for a nanosecond, that any one who reads him thinks like that?  I recognize that 'cheap shots

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
equation?  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 07, 2004 07:42 Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Terry/Judy:TF a false teacher? This then w

[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Judy Taylor
  From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judyt:Do you honestly believe, even for a nanosecond, that any one who reads him thinks like that?  I recognize that 'cheap shots' are made by all on TT from time to time but, often they have some basis in fact. If you've never received an 'assist' in y

[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Terry/Judy:TF a false teacher? This then would indicate that you two have read or listened to him with sufficient care and thoughtfulness to have distinguished the true from the false (according to your own perception of the truth).   jt: Lance it in

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
;t wish to scrutinize it with care. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 06, 2004 17:49 Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Terry, you write: It would app

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
ion of God and the Gospel by a human being then, praise God! 'cause you're an anomally.  - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 06, 2004 16:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-06 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote: From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Terry, you write: It would appear from reading just a fraction of  what Torrance taught, that his teaching is a mixture. Part truth, and part oats that have already been through the horse.  If this is true, does that

[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-06 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Terry, you write: It would appear from reading just a fraction of  what Torrance taught, that his teaching is a mixture. Part truth, and part oats that have already been through the horse.  If this is true, does that make him a false teacher, or just

Re: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-06 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote: I wouldn't want to be trying to stand in 'the day of the Lord' holding on to "but Torrance said" would you?? It would appear from reading just a fraction of  what Torrance taught

RE: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
How very BIZARRE.  A gospel of noninvolvement.  A gospel that permits every form of evil.  Who could possibly believe this??? (Please—don’t answer!) Izzy     ie Torrance teaches: "From beginning to end what Jesus Christ has done for you he has done not only as God but as man.  He

[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

2004-06-06 Thread Judy Taylor
Why evangelize the lost? because the Gospel is good news. Without the word of truth, the good news of their salvation, people are basically adrift, sometimes bordering on truth but never finding that unifying center, the one thing through which the whole aligns and begins to make sense.