Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/21/2004 7:58:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "It is a sense of one religion being a true religion," Miller said. "He has made a choice. But it is very complicated. It involves emotions. And you are in fact negating something in favor of something

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, I didt remember posting the quote below, and have no idea what you are talking about. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-22 Thread Knpraise
, September 22, 2004 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 9/21/2004 7:58:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "It is a sense of one religion being a true religion," Miller said. "He has made a choice.

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Jewish. Steve Pokin can be reached a [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 9/8/2004 4:48

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/8/2004 4:48:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would also recomend OUR FATHER ABRAHAM, JEWISH ROOTS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH by Marvin Wilson. Sterns commentary is exelent but without some background in the Jewish roots of Christianity it could be tough

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-08 Thread Slade Henson
Good! I hope you enjoy them. I'm sure we will have some delightful discussions as we [both] agree and disagree with the writers. I haven't read Garr, yet, but I will put that book on my to-buy list. Thanks. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
, 2004 2:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Good! I hope you enjoy them. I'm sure we will have some delightful discussions as we [both] agree and disagree with the writers. I haven't read Garr, yet, but I will put that book on my to-buy list. Thanks

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-08 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/8/2004 2:48:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Since we didnt get far together with Kruger, Im interested in what you think of Garrs book. I havent read itwill wait for your report on it as well as the others. Izzy Se, senoreta --- interesting.

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-08 Thread Jeff Powers
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 9/7/2004 2:11:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-08 Thread Slade Henson
by Edith Schaeffer. Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 9/7/2004 2:11:19 PM Pacific

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-07 Thread Slade Henson
I have no idea from scripture as to why you have written the above, expecailly that last thought -- "they're 'in' as a result." The Jew and the Gentile are the same in the sight of God in terms of salvation's walk. They have no special consideration in that regard. Agreed. I am merely

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-07 Thread Slade Henson
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:29 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Slade wrote: Another interesting point: the Torah was never given

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-07 Thread Terry Clifton
Slade Henson wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Slade wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-07 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/7/2004 2:11:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have no idea from scripture as to why you have written the above, expecailly that last thought -- "they're 'in' as a result." The Jew and the Gentile are the same in the sight of God in terms of salvation's

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-06 Thread Knpraise
Tim -- I am saying that faith (the conviction that Jesus is the Son and His promises are mine), love (love God and love thy neightbor), and the Force of God within us constitute the "new" Law/Covenant." Are you saying that Lev. 19:18 and Ex. 23:5 state fully the new covenant relationship? If

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-06 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/4/2004 4:52:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You submitted these verses in defense of your argument that the Law has changed. I say your god changed. Mine does not, he is the same yesterday today and forever. So He was just kidden when He spoke of

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-06 Thread Knpraise
Slade wrote: Good for the parents of John the B. Does this mean that their righteousness exceeded the need for faith to be credited to them in place of their righteous failures (Ro 4:14-25)? I find this interesting. Youre not arguing with Tim (or me) on this point. Youre arguing with the One

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-03 Thread Slade Henson
]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you No one is saying that commandment keeping is out, certainly not me. None of these passages say that one is lost because he fails in his commandment keeping

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-02 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:You have almost completely misapprehended what has been spoken both here and,at various times when spokenby four participants on TT. I, speaking only for myself, will no longer engage you on this issue. As to 'mentors. well, you've named yours (Dake, Scofield et al) while I have as

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-02 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:A title of some interest (you have it I think)Sabbath by Abraham Joshua Heschel - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 01, 2004 17:39 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Tim, How do you observe

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-02 Thread Lance Muir
you further on such matters. thanks, Lance - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 01, 2004 18:05 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you jt: Why do you ask formy words Lance when God's Word is so much

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-02 Thread Lance Muir
: September 01, 2004 20:16 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you I rest from work and purchasing for the most part. I congregate with like-minded believers. The issue is not the just the Sabbath however, the issue is God’s Law, of which Sabbath is a part. The second

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-02 Thread C. Tim Winkley
, profanity, etc C. Tim Winkley Aka Law Man -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you From: [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-02 Thread Jonathan Hughes
to agree with you here. Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C. Tim Winkley Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you It seems to me Izzy, when someone has a misunderstanding

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
, September 02, 2004 6:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you It seems to me Izzy, when someone has a misunderstanding of the beauty of Gods Law, we who love it are immediately accused of trying to find legal justification for keeping it (which gendereth to bondage

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 9/1/2004 9:32:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Iz:A title of some interest (you have it I think)Sabbath by Abraham Joshua Heschel - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 01, 2004 17:39 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/2/2004 6:23:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, What is there to obey except Gods commandments? Izzy What commands? The Sabboth observance, Laws of cleanliness? etc. or love God and love your neighbor as yourself? We no longer have (or

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 9/2/2004 6:23:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Lance Muir
Izzy:Bless you for your God-motivated activity (don't like activism). Keep it up sister. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 31, 2004 18:50 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Izzy jumps back in in red

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Lance Muir
ECTED] Sent: August 31, 2004 17:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 8/31/2004 12:28:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am sorry in the last message you used the term Law, I understand covenant as used in this email.The wo

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Terry Clifton
C. Tim Winkley wrote: Terry, Perhaps you should read the verse again. Who else would your enemy be other than someone who hateth thee? Exodus 23:5If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you - the reds vs the blue :)

2004-09-01 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:'You go' Oprahism UN Institution of goodlessness - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 01, 2004 08:05 Subject: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you - the reds vs the blue :) Izzy jumps back in in red! J and Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you - the reds vs the blue :)

2004-09-01 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:I don't but, please note how popular culture pervades your world (i.e. speach) - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 01, 2004 08:46 Subject: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you - the reds vs the blue :) On

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread C. Tim Winkley
]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 8/31/2004 8:22:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brother John, My responses in blue (you better duck

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/1/2004 5:42:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 06:38:27 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One plan (Incarnation), one covenant (Abrahamic), one 'delivery system' (Grace) (Again I say read the paragraph prior to the

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Knpraise
Tim I am going to continue this discussion in spite of the nagging thought that we may be talking about much the same thing. . I mean - it appears that we might be using the same argument to arrive at two very different conclusions. Maybe we do not know enough about the others ultimate

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
John wrote: God has always been a God who honored outpouring and contrition over obedience. God wrote: Matt 12:7; Mark 12:33] to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams. Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/1/2004 8:10:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John wrote: God has always been a God who honored outpouring and contrition over obedience. God wrote: Matt 12:7; Mark 12:33] to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams.

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Lance Muir
Correctamundo Johnmeister!! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 01, 2004 11:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 9/1/2004 3:41:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/1/2004 8:21:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Correctamundo Johnmeister!! Wheeewww.

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:Fast food diet I'm promoting? In many posts, this one included, I've outlined my understanding of Scripture's teaching vis a vis The Nature of God The Nature of God's Gospel. (These two interlocking themes I believe to be a distillation of all of our conversations about everything). You

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:God is a Covenant God?? Again, in your own words..what is a 'covenant God?' - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 01, 2004 11:28 Subject: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:40:34 EDT

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
John wrote: God has always been a God who honored outpouring and contrition over obedience. God wrote: Matt 12:7; Mark 12:33] to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams. Izzy Obey what? And please reconcile Ps 51:16-17 and Isa 58:9-11.Verses like

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Tim, How do you observe the Sabbath? Please explain what you mean about the Keep the Sabbath Holy statement. Thanks, Izzy You asked if I observed the Sabbath. I sincerely appreciate the way you phrased that question. The commandment states that we are to remember the

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Why do you ask formy words Lance when God's Word is so much better? On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:54:05 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jt:God is a Covenant God?? Again, in your own words..what is a 'covenant God?' On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:40:34 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/1/2004 8:30:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: I don't think he is trying to win anything John - His testimony as I understand it does not include denominational training. He reads the Bible. What he is saying here is what the Bible teaches. js: All

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/1/2004 8:37:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: js: Again, much of what Tim and I are saying is mirrored thinking. In the end, he comes up with commandment keeping and I do not. All of the above is true. And God honored the notion of grace, His notion of

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: John wrote: God has always been a God who honored outpouring and contrition over obedience. God wrote: Matt 12:7; Mark 12:33] to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams. Izzy Obey what? And

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/1/2004 2:28:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John wrote: God has always been a God who honored outpouring and contrition over obedience. God wrote: Matt 12:7; Mark 12:33] to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams. Izzy Obey

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/1/2004 2:39:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tim, How do you observe the Sabbath? Please explain what you mean about the Keep the Sabbath Holy statement. Thanks, Izzy It has something to do with someone's mother.

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread C. Tim Winkley
: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Tim, How do you observe the Sabbath? Please explain what you mean about the Keep the Sabbath Holy statement. Thanks, Izzy You asked if I observed the Sabbath. I sincerely appreciate the way you phrased that question. The commandment states

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
you can convince anyone about. If their heart is ready they will receive it. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C. Tim Winkley Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you I rest

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread C. Tim Winkley
] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 9/1/2004 3:41:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One plan (Incarnation), one covenant (Abrahamic), one 'delivery system' (Grace) (Again

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/1/2004 5:49:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, So do you still have a problem, or what? Izzy Its just that I asked "obey what" and you answered obey God rather than man --- I really do not see that as an aswer to my question. But, if you only

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 9/1/2004 5:49:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Knpraise
No one is saying that commandment keeping is out, certainly not me. None of these passages say that one is lost because he fails in his commandment keeping. None establish the Mosaical code. So if you agree with that , then case closed.. but I will make a few comments. John In a message

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-09-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 9/1/2004 9:32:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, What is there to obey except Gods commandments? Izzy What commands? The Sabboth observance, Laws of cleanliness? etc. or love God and love your neighbor as yourself?

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread Judy Taylor
believers. Tim -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave HansenSent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:25 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you C. Tim Winkley wrote: One thing is

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread C. Tim Winkley
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C. Tim Winkley Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:08 PM To: [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread C. Tim Winkley
Do you consider yourself a believer? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you What is this law that needs

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread C. Tim Winkley
]On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Tim, God's Law can be lost and it has been lost in the past. One exaple is in the book of Nehemiah when they found a copy and it was read to the people. They wept

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread Lance Muir
Tim:Just answer the Bishop's question. - Original Message - From: C. Tim Winkley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 31, 2004 07:12 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Do you consider yourself a believer? -Original Message

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread Jonathan Hughes
wrong. Come with humility. Your holier than thou response below is not needed. Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Izzy, we

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread Jonathan Hughes
://hdr.undp.org/statistics/data/index_indicators.cfm. Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you And DaveH I find it hard to see how a country

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread Jonathan Hughes
but it is just that, on its own. Even a Satanist can be moral Izzy. Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Hi Izzy, As I asked

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Hi Izzy, As I asked please go back and read the thread entitled Moralism versus Christianity. Your grasp of this concept is slipping between your fingers at an alarming rate. Do not come to the table looking through your own ideologue. Do not come to the table just

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
understand my viewpoint at all? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Izzy, Look at your definition of moral (even though we

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread Dave Hansen
, August 30, 2004 10:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you And DaveH I find it hard to see how a country who will not take the best care of you is a country looking out for you. DAVEH: Some of us believe the best way to take care of people

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread C. Tim Winkley
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Tim:Just answer the Bishop's question. - Original Message - From: C. Tim Winkley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 31

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread Hughes Jonathan
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Izzy, I have not been involved in name calling. Please identify where I have. I have exposed what I see your attitude as being: holier than thou. Read your own posts again. They drip with sarcasm and place you in a position above me. I have

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Izzy in blue: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Izzy, I have not been

Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread Knpraise
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you What is this law that needs to be restored in the congregation of believers? John Of course. Do you? And about my question? John

RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

2004-08-31 Thread C. Tim Winkley
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 8/31/2004 4:14:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you consider yourself a believer? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL

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2004-08-31 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 8/31/2004 9:23:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, I consider myself a believer. Let me be specific. I was born under the penalty of sin. In other words my body will die and my desire was to disobey God. As a result of my yielding to my nature to

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2004-08-31 Thread Hughes Jonathan
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Jonathan in some colour other than black, blue or red. Hmm I think I will use green. Izzy in blue: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes JonathanSent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8

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2004-08-31 Thread Judy Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 8/31/2004 4:14:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you consider yourself a believer? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

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2004-08-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Lance, Just when we are getting down to specifics you want us to abandon the conversation? Please dont encourage that. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:02

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2004-08-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
Title: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you     Izzy in bold: Okay Jonathan, this conversation is getting unwieldy, so I will cut to the main point here below: You and I, as Believers in the Living God, should be capable of agreeing between us that only God can and does

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2004-08-31 Thread C. Tim Winkley
John, I am sorry, you have used two terms I am not familiar with. Old Law New Law Are you saying that these terms are Biblical? If so, please submit a reference. Maybe you are talking about covenants. C. Tim Winkley Aka Law Man

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2004-08-31 Thread Hughes Jonathan
Hi Judy, Welcome to the fray. To answer your first question, unequivocally I consider myself to be able to judge (used in the sense of discernment, not in the sense of putting myself in a position above the other) the foreign policy and its inventors in America. I certainly believe that

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2004-08-31 Thread C. Tim Winkley
Winkley Aka Law Man -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 8/31/2004 9:23:15 AM Pacific Daylight

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2004-08-31 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 8/31/2004 11:21:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, I am sorry, you have used two terms I am not familiar with. Old Law New Law Are you saying that these terms are Biblical? If so, please submit a reference. Maybe you are talking about

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2004-08-31 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 8/31/2004 12:28:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am sorry in the last message you used the term Law, I understand covenant as used in this email. The woman I sleep with most nights is both a wife and a mother. Two very different things. Same woman.

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2004-08-31 Thread C. Tim Winkley
PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you In a message dated 8/31/2004 11:21:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, I am sorry, you have used two terms I am

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2004-08-31 Thread Terry Clifton
C. Tim Winkley wrote: Brother John, Galatians 5:14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself Leviticus 19:18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt

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2004-08-31 Thread Knpraise
Tim, did I miss your comment on my response post, giving you the scriptural references you requested : In a message dated 8/31/2004 11:21:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, I am sorry, you have used two terms I am not familiar with. Old Law New Law Are you

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2004-08-31 Thread C. Tim Winkley
Terry, Perhaps you should read the verse again. Who else would your enemy be other than someone who hateth thee? Exodus 23:5If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him. C. Tim Winkley Aka

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2004-08-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Jonathan, Do you really want big government taking care of you? Americans dont want to trade freedom to get dependency on big (tax eating, godless, bureaucratic ) government telling them what they need and how to live. Thats why we

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2004-08-30 Thread Jonathan Hughes
: opportunity and the ability to make money. Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Jonathan Hughes wrote

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2004-08-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you My favourite quote from O’Reilly’s “Who’s Looking out for You”: Finally, the war in Iraq proves once again that ideologues can never look out for you. They are too blinded by the light on the right or the left and they will never

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2004-08-30 Thread Jonathan Hughes
AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you I find O'Reilly very interesting and dare I say it, enjoyable. I listened to the unabridged audio version of Who's looking out for You the other week and was impressed. It was pure moralism, but for moralism it was great.

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2004-08-30 Thread C. Tim Winkley
God is going to do that. Unfortunately, considering the culture has fallen and with the church apostasy ripening as foretold we can look forward to major disaster coming our way. If we study the Biblical pattern, for nations that God blessed, and then turned away we will find that a good

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2004-08-30 Thread Jonathan Hughes
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Jonathan, I'm so glad I'm not an ideologue! The minute the Democrat party represents the things I believe in, I'll be happy to vote for it. :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

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2004-08-30 Thread Dave Hansen
C. Tim Winkley wrote: One thing is to restore Gods Law back to its original place in the congregation of believers. DAVEH: ??? Can you please elaborate a little more on that, Tim? Are you suggesting Gods Law has been lost and needs to be restored? --

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2004-08-30 Thread C. Tim Winkley
] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you C. Tim Winkley wrote: One thing is to restore Gods Law back to its original place in the congregation of believers.

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2004-08-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you Izzy, we have had this conversation a number of times. The latest is from a thread