Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-09 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: A few days ago I tuned in a bit early to my favorite Bible preacher (Steve Brown) show on the radio and heard what struck me as rather strange. They were advertising The Bad Breath Bible .Wow, I've heard of some strange names for Bibles, but never one that odd.

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-08 Thread Christine Miller
Kevin wrote: A fig leaf will never cover your SIN! http://www.fairlds.org/apol/antis/200302.html Interesting how Bob links Mormonism to Islam, Judaism, and Native American religion. Bob wrote: [These other religous followers wear] Bits of cloth or string that are physical reminders of God

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thank you for a breath of Fresh Air! This is a device to beat christians into submission. SSH! Do not say anything to offend. In fact just keep it in the church! There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand.Christine Miller [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/6/2005 3:28:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoa, Blaine. Is your "witness of the spirit" that subjective heartburn feelings mormons say they get? AKA, the burning in the bazoom? Do you

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 07, 2005 00:20 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH: I find that interesting, Lance. May I ask how high (that may be a poor way of describing it) is your faith? IOW, on a scale

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH: Can you blame them? Seems like it may be a defensive technique. If they quote a passage, they may fear being criticized as proof-texting. ShieldsFamily wrote: DaveH, regarding your previous question, please take note of this technique of the Bible quote

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
And the RCC adopted them as canon to support their heretical doctrines. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:16 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH JD

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Probably because its downright funny! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:31 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Street preachers just quote what it says. Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
'! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 07, 2005 07:46 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Probably because it’s downright funny! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 07, 2005 07:43 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH And the RCC adopted them as “canon” to support their heretical doctrines. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 07, 2005 07:39 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH How would they know if they’ve never tried? Anyway, “proof-texting” is a term THEY use to shoot down scripture quoters. Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Judy Taylor
Jd -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:10:53 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Judy Taylor
To each his own; everyone has their own type of humor - it's a cultural thing Lance. Do you think it was ungodly for Elijah to mock the prophets of Baal at Mt. Carmel by telling them their god just might be sitting on the toilet? On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:17:02 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
MY POINT HERE HAD TO DO WITH THE FINE ART OF 'proof-texting' not with either of these two gentlemen or, with politics, where such takes place on a daily basis. It also takes place herein (TT). - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 07, 2005 08:26 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH 1. Purgatory is one that is taken from 1 or 2 Macc- Izzy being a redeemed rc probably knows more 2

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
feeling (a.k.a., the burning in the bosom) is a valid witness of the spirit? Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 03:19:43 EDT In a message dated 6/6/2005 3:28:38 PM

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 07, 2005 08:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH To each his own; everyone has their own type of humor - it's a cultural thing Lance. Do you think it was ungodly for Elijah to mock the prophets of Baal at Mt. Carmel by telling them

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
He already answered these. James 1:5 fg/ - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 07, 2005 09:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Blaine, there were a couple of detractor questions, but here are the ones I

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH It's about as funny as it would be for you and your Jet-flying son to be present at a flag burning. It's about as funny as David or Kevin, while preaching at a 'sodomite' convention, to witness the desecration of the Holy Scriptures! Iz, these would

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH 1. Purgatory is one that is taken from 1 or 2 Macc- Izzy being a redeemed rc probably knows more 2. The rapture is one interpretation among others, it is not declared canon by the rcc or anyone else. Let's face it Lance - your Bishop has erred

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Terry Clifton
Kevin Deegan wrote: Matthew Mark, Luke, bel the Dragon? only in the Catholic counterfiets! You left out first and second Ralph.

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Judy Taylor
Before you get carried away here Lance, I seem to recall that not so long ago you referred to me on this public internet list as 'one funny broad' - and as a child of God I find this term offensive; are you aware of it'sorigin? - if not I will enlighten you (this is from Plateau Press.com):

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance your comment is irrelevant to the discussion. Izzy From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Proof-texting' can apply to more than the Scriptures. Michael Moore and John Kerry both employed it vis a vis GWB. How did you respond when they did it? One may accurately quote

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 07, 2005 08:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH To each his own; everyone has their own type of humor - it's a cultural thing Lance. Do you think it was ungodly for Elijah to mock the prophets of Baal at Mt. Carmel

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Judy Taylor
Jd -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:10:53 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Before you get carried away here Lance, I seem to recall that not so long ago you referred to me on this public internet list as 'one funny broad' - and as a child of God I find this term offensive; are you aware of it'sorigin? - if not I

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
So what does Blaine have to say for himself? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:17 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Myth

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH When did the Bible come into existence -- before or after the Revelation? There was no book called the Bible in first century times. But, certainly, we should not be adding to what God has said. Jd -Original Message

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Sure makes me think its all about JSmith and the BoM. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:27 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH I see you have

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread knpraise
nt: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:24:11 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH 'Proof-texting' can apply to more than the Scriptures. Michael Moore and John Kerry both employed it vis a vis GWB. How did you respond when they did it? One may accurately quote someone, often absent appropria

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread knpraise
-0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Jt says 'to each his own, everyone has their own type of humour - it's a cultural thing, Lance.' Therefore we may assume that profaning the 'sacred' matters not to her. So make fun of or desecrate the flag, the Scriptures or Mormon undergarments, ...all

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread knpraise
-0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH 1. Purgatory is one that is taken from 1 or 2 Macc- Izzy being a redeemed rc probably knows more 2. The rapture is one interpretation among others, it is not declared canon by the rcc or anyone else. Let's face it Lance - your Bishop has erred

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
ou respond when they did it? One may accurately quote someone, often absent appropriate context, with the intent of critiquing the person they quote. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 07, 2005 07:39 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread knpraise
The more important question IMO is "what did this word "bible" mean to the Apostle John in 98 AD. JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:35:51 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Re

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Judy Taylor
Does thisapplyto yourself JD, or is it just for "others"? Do you think DM is humored every time he is referred to as legalistic and a false prophet among other things and what about repaying Kevin evil for what you perceive to be evil? On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:50:48 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
It is done for show tell not humor. Some LDS are not initiated into the "meatier" doctrines of Mormonism and are shocked to learn of the protective undergarments. This creates a problem for the LDS, since they have to explain to their own members why they have kept it secret from them for

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
not to answer. Perry From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:15:28 -0400 He already answered these. James 1:5 fg/ - Original Message - From: Charles Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
in. Tell them it's just a 'cultural thingy'. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 07, 2005 08:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH To each his own; everyone has their own type of humor - it's a cultural

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
that these verses are referring specifically to the Book of Revelation. Perry From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:35:51 -0500 Rev 2218I testify to everyone who hears

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH The decision to commit to actions and wording that is objectionable to others is living proof that those who do suchthings no longer care about those whom they insult. JD-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
JD, join the "Why We Can't Believe What We Read in the Bible Club". Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 7:48 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH In additi

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
believe that these verses are referring specifically to the Book of Revelation. Perry From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:35:51 -0500 Rev 2218I testify to everyone

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
and choose again not to answer. Perry From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:15:28 -0400 He already answered these. James 1:5 fg/ - Original Message

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:16:43 -0500 Don't you think it is significant that the warning is written in the last chapter of The Book? Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
God knew. -Original Message- Also, it does not matter what John thought Bible or book meant in the first century, as someone suggested...he was just writing down what he was being shown and told to write. Perry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt,

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:22:02 -0400 So then, CPL, 'his' subjective witness is unacceptable while yours is? He did not quote Ja 1:5fg but it was his obvious reference. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I agree, and I think John recorded that effectively. From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:52:05 -0500 God knew. -Original Message- Also, it does

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread knpraise
So, you weren't waving it around? You were just walking around the streets holding someone's underwear in your hands? Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 07:35:55 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread knpraise
Do you believe that what I wrote is a crrect teaching or not? -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:17:23 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Does thisapplyto yourself JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread knpraise
Was it the last chapter in the Bible when it waswritten? Jd-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:16:43 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Don't you think it is significant that the warning is written

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
Lance are you equating the Bible the Koran to a pair of skivvies? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:17 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH It's about as funny as it would be for you

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
12:03 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH When did the Bible come into existence -- before or after the Revelation? There was no book called the "Bible" in first century times. But, certainly, we should not be adding to what God has said. Jd -Origi

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, you weren't waving it around? You were just walking around the streets holding someone's underwear in your hands? Jd Are you saying that somewhere in Salt Lake

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
ent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:24:11 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH 'Proof-texting' can apply to more than the Scriptures. Michael Moore and John Kerry both employed it vis a vis GWB. How did you respond when they did it? One may accurately quote someone, often absent appropriate cont

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:09:42 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Jt says 'to each his own, everyone has their own type of humour - it's a cultural thing, Lance.' Therefore we may assume that profaning the 'sacred' matters not to her. So make fun of or desecrate the flag

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Blainerb473
If you believe the Bible, you might consider the passages In the photo--part of the Brigham Young Monument in Salt Lake City Blaine The Hosanna Shout, given at the dedication of each new temple--also, 2 passages

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
dsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:35:51 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Rev 2218I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in t

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
I guess you just condemned a few Apostles, prophets and Jesus Christ! Or did the religious crowd enjoy be called full of dead mens bones? On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:50:48 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The decision to commit to actions and wording that is objectionable to others is living proof

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
What did Paul think of Gay clothing in 98AD?ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God knew. -Original Message-Also, it does not matter what John thought Bible or book meant in the first century, as someone suggested...he was just writing down what he was being shown and told to

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 07:35:55 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Did someone burn Mormon underwear? When did holding something in your hand become a desecration

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:17:23 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Does thisapplyto yourself JD, or is it just for "others"? Do you think DM is humored every time he is referred to as legalistic a

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
The Minister of Questions wants to know.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was it the last chapter in the Bible when it waswritten? Jd-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:16:43 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread knpraise
much more information than I care to consider !! JD-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:53:59 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, you weren't waving it around? You

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
Why frame it as an undewrwear debate? We hold the fig leaf aprons also. in the Temple Satan tells the LDS it is "a token of his priesthoods" and they put them on. A fig leaf will never cover your SIN! http://www.fairlds.org/apol/antis/200302.html I doubt that Bob was an eyewitness, but hey there

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Was it the last chapter in the Bible when it waswritten? Jd -Original Message- From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:16:43 -0500 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Kevin Deegan
:43 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH And the RCC adopted them as “canon” to support their heretical doctrines. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:16 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Too funny Bible blockheads

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH I did not set it on fire. Although we did dry some on a clothesline. http://www.fairlds.org/apol/antis/200404gc.html (third pic down)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, you weren't waving it around? You were just

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Dave Hansen
such that it enables you to set aside every other consideration concerning LDS? - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 23:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH: Time is my biggest enemy

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Dave Hansen
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH: The problem as I see it, who is the arbiter of truth on TT, Izzy. Is there anybody here you would say expounds nothing but truth? ShieldsFamily wrote: Only to condemn those who heard the truth but did not heed it. Iz

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 05, 2005 22:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH David, Hmm, I see your point, but yours is a special case, wouldn't you say? I have to say your point is actually weak. Associatiing JS

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
Read my post to Blaine. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 06, 2005 02:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH: ??? Please restate it so a simple minded guy (like me) can understand your question

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Judy Taylor
Because men love darkness so much that they will not come to the light so that their deeds may be made manifest. On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:49:00 -0700 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible speaks for itself.DAVEH: Are you sure about that, Izzy??? If so, why are there so many

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Because men love darkness so much that they will not come to the light so that their deeds may be made manifest. On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:49:00 -0700 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible speaks for itself.DAVEH: Are you sure about

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Judy Taylor
The Bible does speak for itself to those who are willing to come to the light and agree with Him, covenanting to follow Him and to do things His way rather than take on a form of godliness in His name. On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:26:58 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible does

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 06, 2005 05:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH The Bible does speak for itself to those who are willing to come to the light and agree with Him, covenanting to follow Him and to do things His way rather

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Judy Taylor
All TT demonstrates is that different ppl are at different places in their pilgrimage through this world. Some are entering the Kingdom and others have chosen a different path. You need to read the parable fo the wheat and the tares Lance. There are a lotof tares around, so what does their

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
] Perry vs DaveH All TT demonstrates is that different ppl are at different places in their pilgrimage through this world. Some are entering the Kingdom and others have chosen a different path. You need to read the parable fo the wheat and the tares Lance. There are a lotof

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Judy Taylor
Yes but you have to understand that we have an adversary who has been teaching doctrines of men and sowing confusion for the past 2,000+ years and I would include your philosophy that we can't know anything because of the enlightenment to be part of this confusion. When all is said and done

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
06:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Yes but you have to understand that we have an adversary who has been teaching doctrines of men and sowing confusion for the past 2,000+ years and I would include your philosophy that we can't know anything because

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Judy Taylor
I guess you feel you made some kind of a point but it is not the point we began with which is whether or not the Bible speaks for itself. IT DOES - No matter who does or who does not choose to hear. Those with a heart for God who continually come to the light and deal with their stuff are

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 06, 2005 08:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH I guess you feel you made some kind of a point but it is not the point we began with which is whether

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Dave Hansen
Sent: June 05, 2005 22:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH David, Hmm, I see your point, but yours is a special case, wouldn't you say? I have to say your point is actually weak. Associatiing JS with other false priests, is a badassociation no matter how

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Do you really believe that any discrepancy about doctrinal interpretations between two believers is a result of at least one of them loving darkness? Or..do you think two true believers can have a legitimate disagreement about what the Lord says in the Bible? Judy Taylor wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 05, 2005 22:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH David, Hmm, I see your point, but yours is a special case, wouldn't you say? I have to say your point is actually weak

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Judy Taylor
I think soDaveH, being born again is just entering the door, I've had to wade through so much darkness during the past 30yrs and put off so much stuff, have more to go but it's less than before; "the path of the righteous is like the light of dawn it shines brighter and brighter till the

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Lance, from a subjective standpoint...Do you believe Jesus is the Christ? If so, could anything be said to move you from that truth as you perceive it? (I also wonder the same about other TTer's feelings about thishoping to hear some responses.) Lance Muir wrote: If I

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Lance Muir
a document in the handwriting of JS saying...hey..I was just funnin' y'all!! - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 06, 2005 10:37 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH DAVEH: Lance, from a subjective standpoint...Do

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
The fact that LDS have to attack the Bible speaks loudly. No other book has had the impact on men and human history as the Bible has. There are some that cower at the sight of that Blessed Old Book. It has the Power to save the Power to condemn! Not so the BoM bDave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
of the Cosmos! Throwing out bible verses which simply elucidate YOUR view (not HIS) leaves people confused. That's why I referenced 2 Tim 3 (KJV whole chapter). - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 06, 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/6/2005 8:45:21 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lance Muir wrote: Blaine says that 'God gives direction to all liberally who ask in faith'. I asked you/DH whether or not the 'subjective' bottom line was James 1. Are you

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
and, often through the Scriptures, I'd Amen that. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 06, 2005 05:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH The Bible does speak for itself to those who are willing to come

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
have 'seen' the same thing, have you not? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 06, 2005 06:11 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH All TT demonstrates is that different ppl are at different places in thei

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
Lances refusal to even "converse" about his assertions has really discredited him.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but you have to understand that we have an adversary who has been teaching doctrines of men and sowing confusion for the past 2,000+ years and I would include your

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
I Blaine: Aren't you converted to Mormonism by now Izzy? :) I'm shocked you don't know the answer. It is BOTH. Since they are the same individuals! I do, however understand why you might think otherwise. Anyone subjected to the watered-down doctrinesof traditional Christianity would tend,

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
If therocks can cry out surely the Book can.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess you feel you made some kind of a point but it is not the point we began with which is whether or not the Bible speaks for itself. IT DOES - No matter who does or who does not choose to hear. Those with a

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
a sense of false security Good point Blaine. What security do you have? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Blaine: Aren't you converted to Mormonism by now Izzy? :) I'm shocked you don't know the answer. It is BOTH. Since they are the same individuals! I do, however understand why you might think

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Judy Taylor
ISAIAH 8:20 - BofM does not pass the smell test On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:05:50 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I Blaine: Aren't you converted to Mormonism by now Izzy? :) I'm shocked you don't know the answer. It is BOTH. Since they are the same individuals! I do, however

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/6/2005 10:08:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a sense of false security Good point Blaine. What security do you have? Blaine: The witness of the spirit. The Shekinah, the fiery presence of the Lord in his appearance to JS and later, at the

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:05:50 EDT I Blaine: Aren't you converted to Mormonism by now Izzy? :) I'm shocked you don't know the answer. It is BOTH. Since they are the same individuals! I do

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