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Read my post to Blaine.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: June 06, 2005 02:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs
DaveH
DAVEH: ??? Please restate it so a simple
minded guy (like me) can understand your question, Lance.
Lance Muir
wrote:
Let me assume DM's inquisitor model (not
employed in some time I might say) and, abbreviate for the sake of your
time:
Do you perceive the James 1 experience such
that it enables you to set aside every other consideration concerning
LDS?
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Original Message -----
Sent:
June 02, 2005 23:57
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH
DAVEH: Time is my biggest enemy, Lance. I
started a big reply to one of DavidM's posts about 3 or 4 weeks ago, and
it is only half finished. Right now I'm running a sleep deficit, and
having fallen asleep early last night at my computer while reading TT
stuff....I am going to try to lurk more in the future. Besides...I
think most TTers find my thoughts rather boring, being as LDS biased as
they are.
Lance Muir wrote:
No 'knows'rings here, Dave. Why don't you
more actively enter the conversation by offering your own summary of
what's been said thus far. Then, please let me know your
opinion/thoughts.
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Original Message -----
Sent:
June 02, 2005 09:58
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH
Lance Muir wrote:
DH asks:
1. Did Jesus' ...By some, yes. Your
counterpart would be:The reindentification of 'who jesus is' by JS.
One need not extend this thinking far to conclude that either the
LDS are the 'true christians' or those that reflect the teaching of
Nicea. You do see this do you
not? DAVEH: Yes....however, it is
also possible that neither are correct.
ONCE IT IS DEMONSTRATED THAT WE DO NOT WORSHIP, PREACH,
TEACH....THE SAME JESUS THEN, ONE OF US FOLLOWS A FALSE GOSPEL. You
do see this do you not? DAVEH:
OK......I'm following you so far, Lance.
I would like to follow this conversation, tired or not, through
to it's conclusion, should you permit me to do
so. DAVEH: Thank you for leading me by
the nose, Lance......please continue.
thanks,
Lance
Sent:
June 02, 2005 01:56
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH
DAVEH: I'm a little too slow (and too tired)
to ascertain your intended message, Lance. If you want me to
understand what you are trying to convey, put it in more simple
terms for this dunderhead.
Did Jesus'
theology nullify who God is as perceived by the Jews? As he
said....he didn't come to destroy the law, but rather fulfill
it.
FWIW.......It seems to me the Jews
could say something similar to you as to what you are saying to
me.......
YOU CANNOT PREACH THE GOD
YOU PREACH AND CALL YOURSELF GOD'S CHOSEN IN ANY HISTORIC
SENSE
.............You do realize this, do you
not?
Lance Muir wrote:
DaveH:I just re-read my question(s)
and, find them rather clear. Please try telling me what YOU
THINK I'm asking. Your analogy breaks down as it has to do with
Older/Newer Testaments and the Incarnation of Christ. What
you've (LDS) done is to have taken orthodox theology and
nullified it with a superceding revelation as to WHO THIS JESUS
IS. You then, answer the question posed by Jesus Himself in Lk
16 differently than every genuinely Christian group on the face
of the earth.YOU DO KNOW THAT, DON't YOU? YOU CANNOT
PREACH THE JESUS YOU PREACH AND CALL YOURSELF CHRISTIAN IN ANY
HISTORIC SENSE. YOU KNOW THIS ALSO DO YOU NOT? I fear poor old
CPL might've thought I was confused as to who you actually are.
I'M NOT!!
Why not take another run at it just
for my sake.
Sent:
June 01, 2005 10:06
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH
DAVEH: I'm not exactly sure of your
question, Lance.....But as I view it, the position of many
TTers is analogous to the Jews of Bible times. In the
OT, Scripture gave them a perception of God to which the
staunchly held. So firm in their convictions (as are
many TTers), they had trouble acknowledging the Lord when he
finally appeared....why....because he was more like them than
they expected I suppose. Nor did they buy into
additional Scripture being added to Canon, which is another
similarity shared by TTers. Many also failed to accept
new commandments or recognize the NT prophets, rather
stubbornly holding fast to the eye for an eye prophets of the
past.
So.....is there really much
difference between the closed minds of the Jews of the Bible
in contrast to the way many TTers are receptive to anything
outside what they believe Scripture offers?
Lance Muir
wrote:
Who are your teachers? What are their authorities? What
'teaching' concerning the nature/gospel of God issues from
these teachers and their teaching sources? Just how
'ultimate' IYO is the James 1 experience?
IMO that which transpires herein (TT) is somewhat
comparable to the 1st and, early centuries between the
various factions who set out to answer such questions as
those concerning the canon of Scripture and, the nature of
the Person of Christ.
IMO there exists sufficient similarity between the
Christ believed/lived/preached on the part of the 'camp' of
the non-Mormons for them/us to be identified with the
historic 'orthodox' wing of Christianity. The Mormon 'camp',
having taken on board supplementary 'scriptures' and, a new
line of 'prophets' commencing with Joseph Smith, cannot but
fall within a 'non-orthodox' wing of Christianity.
Other than reversing my designations of
orthodox/non-orthodox, just how might you disagree with what
I've said? I should much like to hear from Dave and Blaine,
along with any 'lurkers' on this.
thanks,
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